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In their latest adventure-filled episode, “The Grand Tour: Eurocrash,” renowned presenters Richard Hammond, Jeremy Clarkson, and James May embark on an exhilarating journey across the captivating landscapes of Europe. Starting their epic road trip in the historic city of Gdańsk, Poland, the trio sets off on a high-octane adventure. From the picturesque streets of Długi Targ to the adrenaline-pumping Tor Poznań racing circuit, they experience the diverse beauty and thrilling experiences that Poland and neighbouring countries has to offer.

Westerplatte, Gdańsk, Poland (Starting point)

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 54.404939, 18.674144

Długi Targ 14-20, 80-828 Gdańsk, Poland

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 54.348216, 18.654491

Tor Poznań, Wyścigowa, Przeźmierowo, Poland

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 52.417036, 16.809261

Pomnik Chrystusa Króla, Sulechowska, Świebodzin, Poland

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 52.236967, 15.546491

GRAPE TOWN HOTEL, aleja Wojska Polskiego, Zielona Góra, Poland

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 51.942754, 15.453917

Stalag Luft III, Żagań, Poland

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 51.600425, 15.308769

Polonia Wax Museum Figury Woskowe, Floriańska, Kraków, Poland

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 50.063869, 19.942598

ARP Piestany Airport , ICAO

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 48.627610, 17.829378

Nordijski center Planica, Rateče, Rateče Planica, Slovenia (Nigel drives down a ski slope)

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 46.475635, 13.723440

Lake Bled, Bled, Slovenia

Google Maps Co-ordinates: 46.369150, 14.107946

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What You Didn’t Know About The Cars From The Grand Tour: Eurocrash Special

The cars from The Grand Tour: Eurocrash are some of the strangest Jeremy Clarkson, James May and Richard Hammond have ever driven.

The Grand TourThe Grand Tour : Eurocrash is the latest special to come from Jeremy Clarkson , Richard Hammond , and James May. And it is perhaps one of the best they have ever starred in, featuring a fantastic drive from Poland to Slovenia, in some of the most unusual cars they’ve ever driven. A Chevrolet SSR, a Mitsuoka Le-Seyde, and a Crossley CC Convertible. The brief was to get the three most inappropriate long-distance cars, and they certainly did that.

Despite the problems that May suffered with his Crosley being too slow, and his driving experience in the “Titties and Beer” hotrod, all three cars made it to the end of the trip. Showcasing just how good a drive through Central Europe can be.

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Clarkson’s Mitsuoka Was The Ugliest Car On The Eurocrash Special

Mitsuoka le-seyde engine specs.

The Mitsuoka Le-Seyde that Clarkson chose for the special was perhaps the ugliest of the three cars the presenters had. The fact it even exists is a remarkable fact, but exist it does and amazingly 500 units were sold. As Hammond remarks in the special, it “is too many.” But Mitsuoka, a company renowned for ugly cars , claimed that they were all sold four days after they went on sale. The car uses a Nissan Silvia S13 from the 1990s as its basis. Then transforms it with an all-new body design that harks back to cars from the early 20th century.

Specifically, the Le-Seyde looks like the Zimmer Golden Spirit, which wasn’t built in the 1930s but in the 1980s along with other Zimmer models . Clarkson on the special however mentions that the Le-Seyde was meant to look like the Mercedes SSK. There are one or two minor similarities, but for the most part the two cars look nothing alike. While the hilarious exterior might look like something from the 1930s, the interior is anything but that. Mitsuoka did pretty much nothing to the original Nissan interior. The Le-Seyde looks the same inside as the Silvia S13 did, and in fact, the center portion of the car is still Nissan.

Under the hood the Le-Seyde still uses the same engine that the Silvia S13 did. This was a 1.8-liter CA18DE engine, used in the Nissan up until mid-1990. Remarkably, two more versions of the Le-Seyde were actually built. There was the Dore, introduced in July 1991, a convertible version based on the 1979-1993 Ford Mustang Fox Body. It also used the Windsor 4.9-liter 302 ci V8 engine that the Mustang did. A redesigned Le-Seyde, simply called New Le-Seyde was introduced in late 2000, and this time it was based on the Nissan Silvia S15. Not that you’d notice any differences between the old and new Le-Seyde as they were nearly identical .

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Hammond Brought The Heavy Chevrolet SSR To The Party

Hammond’s vehicle for the special made a little more sense than Clarkson’s, but still fit the ethos of the special nicely. His vehicle was a Chevrolet SSR, the retro-styled two-door convertible pickup truck. A great idea that Chevrolet would perhaps rather forget than remember. The styling was certainly quirky, and a 5.3-liter 300 hp Vortec V8 under the hood promised plenty of power for what was quite a small truck. Chevrolet upgraded the engine to a 390 hp LS2 V8 in 2005.

However, the good vibes were not there to stay. The proportions of the finished SSR were somewhat awkward , and it wasn’t a thin pickup truck by any means. The V8 was powerful, but a 0-60 mph time of 7.7 seconds was never going to set the world on fire. While it wasn’t a great sports car, it was also a terrible pickup truck as the ‘bed’ was effectively only there to store the folded-down roof from the truck. The reality was it wasn’t anywhere near as practical as a regular pickup truck.

Perhaps the biggest problem however for the lumbering SSR was the weight of the truck. The SSR, with all the bodywork and big V8 motor under the hood, came in at 4,700 lbs. Or just over 2 tonnes. The weight of the vehicle was a topic of conversation between Clarkson and Hammond on Eurocrash, as they awaited the rival of May and his Crosley. Chevrolet then priced the SSR at a spectacular $42,000 which rose up another $1,000 in 2005. As such, very few people ever drove the SSR as Hammond joked in the special, and with extra options the price could be pushed up to $50,000.

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May’s Crosley Was The Worst Car On The Eurocrash Special

May however surely wins the award for the worst car on the special. He chose a 1947 Crosley CC Convertible, a model that was actually one of the first mass-produced slab-sided cars in history. Under the hood of his CC was a 700cc engine, limiting May’s top speed on highways to around 40 mph. Crosley was the brainchild of Powel Crosley Jr. of Cincinnati, Ohio. He believed that cars had become too big and cumbersome , even as early as the 1940s, which was incredibly forward-thinking.

He set up Crosley in 1939, and it lasted until 1952. Developing a variety of microcars aimed at creating affordable, mass-market cars that could navigate roads easier than their larger counterparts. There was a huge array of vehicles offered, ranging from sedans, to pickups, convertibles, and even a sports car. But the most popular version of the Crosley’s were the station wagons, produced by the company from 1947 to their demise in 1952. In the special, May’s gave him all sorts of problems. Apart from being too slow even for Captain Slow , the Crosley kept cutting out on him as well as overheating.

May had a rather unfortunate mishap at the start of the special , driving into a barrier as they left the port in Poland they started from. A little later in the special, May decided to drive the backup car on the special just to keep up with the other two presenters, but he hated that even more than his Crosley. Having sent the backup hotrod down a ski slope, May was almost relieved to be able to finish the trip in the Crosley. It is safe to say that the presenters certainly chose three interesting cars for the adventure.

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The Backup Car Was Worse Than May’s Crosley

With its terrible slogan on the side, the backup car for the trip was a makeshift hotrod. A Jaguar engine was under the hood, as well as a tiny steering wheel and a horrible accelerator pedal. It was even worse to drive than the Crosley, so chucking it down the ski slope was perhaps the best thing for it . It took Nigel Mansell’s slightly melted wax figure with it, in one of the funniest scenes of the entire special. Eurocrash has to be one of the best specials the trio has ever appeared in, and we can’t wait for their next adventure.

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Every country Jeremy, Richard and James want to visit is either a trouble hotspot, or has banned them from entering. Instead, they head to Central Europe, on a road trip nobody has ever thou... Read all Every country Jeremy, Richard and James want to visit is either a trouble hotspot, or has banned them from entering. Instead, they head to Central Europe, on a road trip nobody has ever thought of, in cars nobody would ever dream of using. Every country Jeremy, Richard and James want to visit is either a trouble hotspot, or has banned them from entering. Instead, they head to Central Europe, on a road trip nobody has ever thought of, in cars nobody would ever dream of using.

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‘The Grand Tour: Eurocrash’ Takes Central Europe by Storm

Controversy be damned, Jeremy Clarkson remains on our screens whether you like it or not for the motoring reality TV series The Grand Tour , and this time, the special is dubbed “Eurocrash.” Current affairs aside (with Prime Video cutting ties with Jeremy Clarkson due to his comments about Meghan Markle), this is another highly entertaining yet standard offering from the Top Gear trio as they travel through Central Europe in weird, comical cars.

The Grand Tour: Eurocrash is a lot of fun

The fifth season of The Grand Tour continues with its second stand-alone special after 2022’s A Scandi Flick . In the latest episode, Richard Hammond, Jeremy Clarkson, and James May take part in a road trip that no one has ever thought of doing before.

They travel from Gdansk, Poland, through the countries of Slovakia and Hungary before ending in Slovenia, where they conclude at the scenic Lake Bled.

Adding these ‘weird’ cars makes this unconventional road trip hilarious. Richard Hammond is first on the scene, driving a yellow convertible pick-up truck for the entirety of the 1400-mile journey.

Jeremy Clarkson can be found in a hideous, limited-edition Japanese gangster car that looks like something Cruella de Vil would drive. James May is there, bringing up the rear in a 75-year-old micro mini that is four feet wide and struggles to reach its top speed of 40 mph. This, of course, becomes a clear hazard on European motorways.

The Grand Tour: Eurocrash (Credit – Prime Video)

As they travel through Central Europe, the presenters enjoy some gorgeous sightseeing diversions. They take in the history and culture of each individual nation while, as you’d expect, performing elaborate practical jokes on one another.

Between all the pranks, there’s room for some car analysis, with the trio using their standard sarcastic wit to inform viewers of their peculiar cars and the many other vehicles specific to those four countries.

This is all topped off with action-packed races and a captivating grand finale.

Eurocrash is a lot of fun. The trio gets up to their usual scripted shenanigans, deploying their trademark irreverent humor wherever they go as they plow through Europe. It’s painfully staged sometimes, but the old formula still works an absolute treat anyway. This special is sure to put a smile on your face at some point during its feature-length run time.

This installment offers nothing new or original, yet the trio is comforting and consistent nonetheless. Fans of the series and the trio’s previous work will not be disappointed. This entertaining road trip includes rebellious, silly comedy, detailed car analysis, and a cracking soundtrack.

Richard Hammond, Jeremy Clarkson, and James May have been performing these sorts of specials for nearly two decades now, and very little has changed in their style or delivery in that time.

Yet even with such an overwhelming history of content behind them, the tried and tested formula still succeeds. It just feels a little dated now, is all.

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Jeremy Clarkson, James May and Richard Hammond are back in The Grand Tour: Eurocrash , a new feature-length special which lands on Friday, June 16.

Streaming: Prime Video Debut: Friday, June 16 Runtime: 2 hours

This outing sees the trio take a road trip around central Europe. It was filmed around Poland and Slovenia and features lots of "weird" cars like the Chevrolet SSR, Crosley Convertible and Klein Vision AirCar which flies.

Eurocrash is the 44th episode of The Grand Tour and its sixth special; since 2019 the Amazon motoring show has eschewed traditional annual seasons with a rota of feature-lengthed specials. Before this one there was Seamen in 2019, A Massive Hunt in 2020, Lochdown and Carnage A Trois in 2021 and A Scandi Flick in 2022.

If you're keen to watch the motoring special, here's how to watch The Grand Tour: Eurocrash.

How to stream The Grand Tour: Eurocrash

You'll be able to watch The Grand Tour: Eurocrash on Prime Video , as Amazon's streaming service created TGT .

Prime Video is technically a perk of Amazon Prime membership, so you'll need to be signed up to the subscription plan to watch. This costs $14.99 / £8.99 per month or $139 / £95 per year, though there's a free trial for people who haven't tried Prime before.

The Grand Tour: Eurocrash lands on the service on Friday, June 16.

How to watch the rest of The Grand Tour

While you don't need to watch the rest of The Grand Tour to understand Eurocrash , fans of motoring shows or Clarkson, Hammond and May's humor may want to do so to prepare for the new show.

There are 43 previous episodes of The Grand Tour prior to Eurocrash , which include five prior specials like this one, and you can watch them all on Prime Video, just like the new series.

The Grand Tour is, after all, an Amazon Original, and future episodes of the show will also more than likely land on the Prime Video platform.

But while The Grand Tour is a spiritual successor to Top Gear , that show's back catalog isn't on Prime Video. Instead, you'll need to use Pluto TV to stream it in the US (though 13 seasons are on Freevee , 5 are on Netflix and 3 are on Max ), and Sky TV or iPlayer to watch in the UK.

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The Grand Tour: Eurocrash – Richard Hammond Crashes In Upcoming Episode

In the forthcoming special episode of ‘ The Grand Tour: Eurocrash ‘, Richard Hammond encounters a heart-stopping incident. Filming within the cockpit of a high-speed F1 car, this segment promises a hefty dose of thrill and suspense.

The hosts of the show – Richard Hammond, Jeremy Clarkson , and James May – charted a journey across Europe, spanning 2,000 kilometres. Their expedition, starting in Poland and concluding in Slovenia, takes an exhilarating turn at the Tor Poznań race track in Poznań, Poland.

An amusing exchange ensues between Hammond and Clarkson, wherein Clarkson, struggling to fit into an F1 car, queries Hammond about how to navigate this issue. The answer, delightfully candid and cheeky, suggests Clarkson should “be less fat!”.

For those familiar with the show, Hammond’s reputation precedes him – he has experienced terrifying crashes before on Top Gear and The Grand Tour . The 2006 incident, which put him in a coma, and the severe Rimac crash in 2017 are still fresh in the memories of many viewers. So, to see Hammond settling into the seat of an F1 car in the trailer surely raised quite a few eyebrows.

In the teaser trailer, we witness Hammond take on the race track in the formidable F1 car, before an apparent mishap occurs. While the actual crash is left unseen in the trailer, viewers are left on the edge of their seats, bracing for the inevitable impact.

Adding to the surge of excitement is the official announcement of the air date for this electrifying episode – and it’s closer than fans may have anticipated. Be sure to mark your calendars for 16th June 2023, to witness the high-octane shenanigans of ‘The Grand Tour: Eurocrash’.

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The Grand Tour is coming back with a bang for its latest Eurocrash adventure, teasing high-octane stunts that look like they could come close to rivalling Mission Impossible .

Fans of the trio – Jeremy Clarkson , Richard Hammond and James May – have been waiting with bated breath for the new programme to drop, with its release date nearing later this month.

The first official trailer for the new road trip in Eastern Europe has now dropped, as the presenters embark on a 1,400-mile journey through Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia.

The teaser opens with dramatic suspense, showing a shot of a plane as James, 60, faces the daunting prospect of attempting to drive his car onto the moving aircraft.

The Final Countdown begins to play in the background, amping up the intensity of the scenes as Jeremy, 63, informs viewers that they’re going ‘behind what used to be the Iron Curtain’ on their travels.

Jeremy and Richard, 53, settle into tiny racing cars… before the former admits that he ‘genuinely can’t get out’ of the miniscule vehicle.

‘What do you want me to do? Be less fat?’ he asks his co-star.

The programme sees James show off a miniscule vintage Crossley car – looking extremely precarious and wobbly on the road – which he admits that he overpaid for when he was inebriated.

‘£11,000 for that?’ Jeremy asks incredulously, as Jams confesses: ‘I bought it when I was drunk.’

Jeremy is seen stepping into the shoes of an iconic Disney villain, driving a car that he feels has a ‘Cruella vibe’, while he and his co-stars pay a visit to ‘the Soviet Union’s answer to Formula One’.

In a departure from the road, the stars of The Grand Tour take a trip to a wax museum in Krakow… and end up leaving with a kidnapped mannequin.

Prepare for fast-paced test drives, whirling around in hugely powerful race cars, as well as the TV personalities being attacked by arrow-wielding horse riders. As you do.

The very end of the trailer teases a bonkers prank played on James, when Jeremy and a host of muscly men picked up his co-star’s tiny car and carried it all the way inside a restaurant.

As they all grunt over the weight of the vehicle, Jeremy remarks: ‘This could sound like a porn movie.’

One fan wrote in response to the teaser: ‘The myths, the legends, the 3 idiots in cars, I’m so glad The Grand Tour is continuing gotta love watching them do what they do best.’

The Grand Tour: Eurocrash launches on Friday June 16 on Prime Video.

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REVIEW: ‘The Grand Tour: Eurocrash’ Is Comforting But Lacks Direction

The Grand Tour: Eurocrash is the next journey from the comedy travel series available on Amazon Prime. The series stars Jeremy Clarkson , Richard Hammond , and James May , following them on an unusual road trip in unusual cars, traveling across Eastern Europe from Poland to Slovenia. 

The interesting concept of this road trip is the apparent lack of real idea for the destination and the journey, Most Grand Tour journeys have a plot to them or a theme that serves as the backbone to always fall back on. But this one has an odd remit — no one has done it before. The crew seem to have picked two random locations on the basis that it is unique, and that its matched by the cars they choose. Three vehicles were selected with the idea that they are rare, special, and just unusual. The special follows the format of the big, movie-length episodes that have become the norm for the Grand Tour. This is always an engaging idea and the presenters have the chemistry to make it work.

What becomes clear is that without a particular goal or a definitive purpose, the film loses its way. It’s still entertaining. This is a trio that is always watchable when they are together. But ideas appeared sparse and the final third stutters in particular. The first challenge set up carries with it the culture of the region and has a distinct concept in mind. But beyond that, there is a feeling of “roll with it” that stems from not bringing a specific section of motoring to the table. The cars themselves are so obscure that they don’t fit a genre individually, but that is part of their charm.

The Grand Tour: Eurocrash is another fantastic example of how this production team creates characters. You have not just the now famous personas of Hammond, Clarkson, and May, generated over decades, but also the vehicles they drive. The real soul of the special comes from the trio at the helm. Still throwing insults at each other, there is a general lightness to the tone that makes the show easy to settle into. The irritation towards each other appears genuine by the end too, adding a narrative throughout the road trip.

And through editing and the enthusiasm of the presenters, the cars can be adored. Especially the three that are on display for this episode. Wacky in their designs, there has rarely been a set of cars so different alongside each other. They vary in age, design, and purpose. Due to this disparity, the group spends a lot of time separated.

What sets the Grand Tour aside from other motoring shows is the budget allocated to it and the magnificence of its filmmaking. The show uses the highest quality camera available and looks intensely cinematic at all times. This allows the shots to take in the full depth of the phenomenal scenery. Hammond, Clarkson, and May visit medieval towns and ancient mountains of Poland , Slovakia, Hungary, and Slovenia, and the film cameras capture their magnitude superbly. These specials really have been crafted into epic adventures and they look like one as well.

This has always been a show, either through Top Gear or The Grand Tour , that is endlessly carried by those at the helm of it. They have the ability to make any idea entertaining and worth watching. After numerous individual ventures, they effortlessly slot back together and continue where they left off. Whilst the story of this adventure may be lacking, that is not the case for the countries the trio visit. All four bring their spectacular visuals and histories, stunningly presented through a jaw-dropping production. But it just feels like the conceit for the show is extremely thin. The cars are wonderful characters, oozing personality and the individualism that this episode was striving for in particular. But if this conceit of choosing destinations at random is to continue, there needs to be something to energise the final part of the adventure to prevent is fizzling out.

The Grand Tour: Eurocrash is available on Amazon Prime Video.

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It just feels like the conceit for the show is extremely thin. The cars are wonderful characters, oozing personality and the individualism that this episode was striving for in particular. But if this conceit of choosing destinations at random is to continue, there needs to be something to energise the final part of the adventure to prevent is fizzling out.

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

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Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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