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EMO'S NOT DEAD Cruise 2024: YELLOWCARD, MAYDAY PARADE, STORY OF THE YEAR And AUGUST BURNS RED Among Confirmed Bands

Sixthman , leaders in festivals at sea for more than two decades, has announced the return of Emo's Not Dead Cruise 2024: Sailed On A Sea Of Tears , sailing February 26-March 1, 2024 from Miami, Florida to Great Stirrup Cay, Bahamas aboard Norwegian Pearl. First round pre-sale signups are available through tonight, May 9, at 11:59 p.m. (ET). Pre-sales for Emo's Not Dead Cruise alumni will be assigned May 9, available May 10-11; pre-sale signups conclude May 14 at 11:59 p.m. (ET). New guest pre-sales run May 12, 15-16. Public on-sales begin May 16 at 2:00 p.m. (ET),exclusively at emosnotdeadcruise.com . Three different payment options will be available, with Automated Monthly Billing allowing for a deposit as low as $100 per person through June 26 (while supplies last).

2022's initial Emo's Not Dead Cruise proved a nostalgic sensation, selling out completely in less than one day. The spectacular 2024 edition of the hugely popular alternative music and culture cruise now boasts the event's strongest lineup thus far, showcasing four days and nights loaded with electrifying live music from YELLOWCARD , MAYDAY PARADE , STORY OF THE YEAR , AUGUST BURNS RED , SENSES FAIL , THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA , Charlotte Sands , ARMOR FOR SLEEP , RECLAIM THE FALLEN , the live full-album debut of "Your Broken Hero" , live band karaoke with THE EMO BAND , and more to be announced.

In addition, the upcoming voyage will see a special shipboard episode of "The Tonight (Tonight) Show Starring Matt Cutshall" , a live taping of "The E.N.D. Podcast" (hosted by Matt Cutshall and Gavin Simcoe ),a belly flop competition, Battle Of The Frontmen, the return of The Dive Bar, autograph and photo sessions, Q&A's, and much more.

E.N.D. Cruisers will enjoy all the incredible amenities available aboard the Norwegian Pearl, including fully stocked bars at (almost) every corner, tasty dining options, the Pool Deck (with multiple hot tubs),the Pearl Club Casino, Mandara Spa, Body Waves Fitness Center, Sports Court, and much more.

Beyond the onboard experience, E.N.D. Cruisers will have their first chance to enjoy a shore excursion at a new port to the E.N.D. community, Great Stirrup Cay, Bahamas, an idyllic private island paradise known for its white sand beaches and clear blue waters. Please note: Shore excursions will not be available until 4-6 weeks prior to sailing. Cruisers will be able to book an excursion upon receipt of their official booking number.

YELLOWCARD MAYDAY PARADE STORY OF THE YEAR AUGUST BURNS RED SENSES FAIL THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA CHARLOTTE SANDS ARMOR FOR SLEEP RECLAIM THE FALLEN "Your Broken Hero" (live full-album debut) Live band karaoke with THE EMO BAND

+ More to be announced

For more information, visit emosnotdeadcruise.com .

Sixthman festivals tear down walls between artists and fans by creating community-inspired vacation experiences at resorts and at sea. Since 2001, Sixthman has set the stage for moments that make life rock, serving over 300,000 guests on over 150 unforgettable vacations on sand and at sea with their favorite artists, athletes, actors, comedians, and brands. These carefully curated, intimate events bring non-stop performances, artist collaborations, in-depth panels, Q&As, fan-artist activities, museums, and overall, truly immersive experiences that celebrate community and change expectations of what a vacation can be. Sixthman 's domestic homeport of Miami brings escapes for guests to dream destinations in the Virgin Islands, Belize, Honduras, Mexico, and The Bahamas. In 2019, Sixthman expanded its festivals at sea to Europe, sailing from Barcelona, Spain to exotic Mediterranean ports and then from Athens through the Greek Isles in 2022. In addition to festivals at sea, Sixthman has taken its innovative vacation concept to world-class, all-inclusive resorts in the Dominican Republic and Mexico. In 2020, Sixthman Services was launched to support other event holders with a suite of on-site and virtual event management services and enhanced experiences. 2023 is poised to be a record year in terms of number of events and expansion into new verticals.

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Emo music seems to be amid a renaissance of sorts. Just last week came the announcement of  When We Were Young   a single-day festival featuring the biggest names in emo music. Due to massive popular demand, the event added two additional days, which all sold out within hours.

This week’s announcement of the inaugural  Emo’s Not Dead Cruise  capitalizes on that demand and contains several of the same bands as WWWY who will, presumably, perform for more than 25 minutes. Produced by  Sixthman , the same company behind  Flogging Molly ‘s Salty Dog Cruise and the KISS Kruise , the Emo’s Not Dead Cruise will hit the open seas from November 8th–12th and include headliners Dashboard Confessional ,  Underoath , and  New Found Glory .

Also aboard the ship—which will depart from Los Angeles, CA and head to Ensenada, Mexico—will be Thursday ,  Plain White T’s ,  Silverstein ,  Hawthorne Heights ,  William Ryan Key  (formerly of Yellowcard),  Cassadee Pope ,  Emery , and the live debut of  Your Broken Hero .

“It was never a phase, Mom! Grab your blackest eyeliner, tightest skinny jeans, and join MATT CUTSHALL & FRIENDS aboard the EMO’S NOT DEAD CRUISE!” event organizers wrote on the website. “Sailing November 8-12, 2022, on Norwegian Jewel from Los Angeles, California to Ensenada, Mexico, brace your fragile heart and get ready for 4 memorable days that will bring tears to your eyes (more than usual).”

Pre-sale tickets are available now ahead of a general on sale that will begin this Friday, January 28th, at 9 a.m. PT. Packages range from $620 per person to the $5,871 “Owner’s Suite” with payment plans available. Head to the Emo’s Not Dead Cruise official website for purchase options and more information.

Furthermore, check out the announcement video courtesy of Your Broken Here (Matt Cutshall) via the player below.

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The post Inaugural Emo’s Not Dead Cruise: Dashboard Confessional, New Found Glory, Underoath, Thursday, and More appeared first on Consequence .

If you were shut out of tickets for the When We Were Young festival , you can drown your sorrows on the sea. The inaugural Emo’s Not Dead Cruise boasts headliners Dashboard Confessional , New Found Glory , Underoath , and more of your favorite scene bands, and literally has the tagline “Sailed on a Sea of Tears.”

It sure seems like 2022 is shaping up to be “The Year of the Emo” — the aforementioned When We Were Young fest in Vegas features a bonkers lineup of just about every emo act imaginable, and while not quite as extensive, Emo’s Not Dead Cruise offers an impressive bill of likeminded acts. Joining the aforementioned headliners are Thursday , Plain White T’s, Silverstein, Emery, Hawthorne Heights, and more.

The ship sets sail November 8th from Los Angeles and makes its way to Ensenada, Mexico, before returning on November 12th. Pre-sale tickets are available as of today (January 27th), with a general on sale beginning 9 a.m. PT on Friday (January 28th). Pricing starts at $620 per person for a four-guest cabin to $5,871 for a single person in the “Owner’s Suite.”

Prior to announcing the cruise, Emo’s Not Dead primarily existed as a an apparel brand. A video promo for the cruise stars popular YouTube personality Your Broken Hero (aka Matt Cutshall), who appears to be spearheading the cruise and will be delivering his first ever live performance on the ship. Even the official description of the cruise is super emo:

“It was never a phase, Mom! Grab your blackest eyeliner, tightest skinny jeans, and join MATT CUTSHALL & FRIENDS aboard the EMO’S NOT DEAD CRUISE! Sailing November 8-12, 2022, on Norwegian Jewel from Los Angeles, California to Ensenada, Mexico, brace your fragile heart and get ready for 4 memorable days that will bring tears to your eyes (more than usual).”

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Watch the promo clip and see the full lineup poster below. Visit the official Emo’s Not Dead Cruise website for more information.

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The upcoming sold-out voyage is the third edition by Sixthman

Sixthman, the leader in festivals and music cruises for more than two decades, has announced the star-studded, broken-hearted lineup for the upcoming sold-out third edition of Emo’s Not Dead Cruise, sailing February 4-8, 2025 from Miami, FL to Nassau, Bahamas aboard the Norwegian Gem.

Hosted by Matt Cutshall, aka Your Broken Hero and Gavin Simcoe, the eagerly awaited third edition of Emo’s Not Dead Cruise will sail on a sea of tears with an electrifying pop-punk lineup including such emo legends as The Used, Boys Like Girls, Chiodos, Hawthorne Heights, Saosin, Hey Monday, Norma Jean, Emery, The Early November, Lydia, and Reclaim The Fallen, with more to be announced soon. Once again, Emo’s Not Dead Cruise will see a featured performance from Cutshall’s fan favorite Your Broken Hero, along with Live Band Karaoke with The Emo Band, the beloved Emo Social, and a full itinerary of interactive activities including Q&As, autograph sessions, and much more.

The lavish Norwegian Gem will of course pull out all the stops for Emo’s Not Dead Cruise, with fully stocked bars on (almost) every corner, tasty dining experiences, the Pool Deck (with multiple hot tubs), the Gem Club Casino, Mandara Spa, Body Waves Fitness Center, Sports Court, and so much more.

Beyond the onboard experience, Emo’s Not Dead Cruisers will have the chance to enjoy unforgettable shore excursions in Nassau, Bahamas, the ultimate vacationer’s paradise with its laid-back vibes and perfect white-sand beaches, palm trees covered in coconuts, and refreshing, crystal-clear waters. Please note: Shore excursions will not be available until four to six weeks before sailing. Guests will be able to book excursions upon receipt of their official booking number.

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The second voyage of the emo cruise-fest departs from Miami on February 26th

The Emo’s Not Dead Cruise is returning for its second voyage in 2024. The at-sea festival will feature headliners Yellowcard , along with Mayday Parade , Story of the Year , and more.

The trip on the Norwegian Pearl departs from Miami on February 26th and sets sail to a private island in the Bahamas “for a melancholic summer experience like no other.” Sign-ups for ticket pre-sales are ongoing via the cruise website , with a public on-sale beginning at 2 p.m. ET on May 16th.

“We’ll be moshing all day, screaming all night while we brush shoulders with emo legends on the sea of tears!” reads the press release via founder Matt Cutshall (aka Your Broken Hero). “Trust us when we say, you’ll be down bad if you miss this one!”

The rest of the lineup includes August Burns Red, Senses Fail, The Devil Wears Prada, Charlotte Sands, Armor for Sleep, and Reclaim the Fallen, with more to be announced. In addition to the performances, other activities include the return of the belly flop contest, a live “emo karaoke” band, an “emo casino,” the Dive Bar, and more.

Ahead of the February departure, be sure to revisit our recap and a photo gallery (below) of the inaugural Emo’s Not Dead Cruise that took place last fall.

Watch the announcement video and see the lineup poster for the 2024 Emo’s Not Dead Cruise below.

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Editor’s Note: Thrillist’s Guide to Live Music in 2024 is your go-to resource for navigating the most travel-worthy music events of the year—with insightful tips, captivating stories, and music festival guides annotated by the people who love them and know them best. Read more here. The elevator doors open to release a throng of rowdy ravers, their heads bouncing to the rhythm of a club track screeching with energy. At the center of it all stands Alex Ridha, a German DJ known to fans as Boys Noize, who blares the track from a moving cart outfitted with turntables, speakers, and glowing disco lights while he drips with sweat. The bass practically crunches from the maxed-out speakers.

“What up, Friendship?” Boys Noize yells over the beat. “We got Rico Nasty in the house, check this out.” Both performers encourage the crowd to get as lit as they possibly can.

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Roving ragers like this—the kind where you could end up rubbing shoulders with the lead singer of your favorite band in line at the soft-serve machine—can really only happen on a music festival cruise. And what started off as a few boat-based events at the turn of the millennium has now given way to a robust industry.

It all started with a '90s one-hit-wonder. In the early aughts, fans begged the management of Central Florida band Sister Hazel to organize a weekend hangout with the musicians, which led to an inaugural Labor Day cruise. Conveniently, the price of chartering a boat dropped significantly in the wake of September 11, 2001; the band was able to crowdfund $99 each from 1,000 fans each as a deposit and then teamed up with an Atlanta businessman to cover the remaining $750,000 overhead cost to charter an entire ship.

Now 25 sailings later, The Rock Boat hosted by Sister Hazel remains a flagship event of Sixthman’s busy annual schedule. What’s more, Norwegian Cruise Line officially acquired the company in 2012, which meant a stable supply of ships outfitted with the exact specs needed to pull off months of musical sailings. Sixthman is now also helmed by Jeff Cuellar, the former festival director of the massive Bonnaroo music festival in Tennessee. And these days, instead of planning a four-day fest for tens of thousands, he’s in charge of filling a four-month block’s worth of programming for a variety of niche but passionate audiences.

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Beyond Sixthman, Norwegian also works with a handful of independent event producers, including Gary Richards, the man behind the aforementioned Friendship electronic music cruise festival. The former record label A&R, who also DJs as Destructo, excels at the specialization and interaction component. Everything from the music in the hallway overhead speakers to artist-hosted mini golf competitions are tailored to create a sense of total musical immersion. Richards used to run a company called HARD that hosted multi-day music festivals in Los Angeles—the kind of event you could sell more tickets to, although that wasn’t always a good thing.

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The used headlining 2025 emo’s not dead concert cruise.

The Used is headlining the 2025 edition of the Emo’s Not Dead concert cruise, taking place February 4-8.

The bill also includes Boys Like Girls , Chiodos , Hawthorne Heights and Saosin , among others.

“The best band in the world on a boat?” The Used declares . “What more could you ask for?”

Now in its third year, the Emo’s Not Dead cruise has previously been headlined by Dashboard Confessional and Yellowcard .

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

countflorida

We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

Emperor Norton

Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

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scubacruiserx2

Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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