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RV vs. Motor Coach: Which Is Better?

“Homes on wheels” come in a variety of shapes and sizes. This is why selecting the right rig can be a bit daunting. There’s also a lot of different terms too. You’ve probably wondered, RV vs. Motor Coach: which is better?

A motor coach is a type of RV but is a larger, luxury Class A RV. It comes with many advantages over smaller motorhomes and towable RVs. It has more amenities, better sleeping arrangements, and is able to accommodate more people.

There are different types of RVs , such as motor coaches, travel trailers, fifth-wheel trailers, truck campers, and pop-up trailers.

Each type has its pros and cons. Each type also fits certain people and budgets. In this article, we’ll look at some of the best quality motorhomes, the worst RV brands, the travel trailers that last the longest, and similar issues around choosing the best RVs.

Let the fun begin…

What is the difference between a motor coach and an RV?

A motor coach, sometimes called a coach, is a large Class A style bus and is completely self-contained. Other types of RVs include Class C, Class B, and towables such as a travel trailer or fifth wheel.

All motor coaches and motorhomes are RVs, but not all RVs are motor coaches.

An RV is essentially a motorhome (motorcoach) or a trailer with built-in amenities of a home or one that’s being towed. Motorcoaches are not towed. They are motorized units equipped with beds, a kitchen, restrooms, etc.

And a motor coach is going to be larger than most RVs, more like a tour bus used by popular bands.

Motorcoaches are almost always more expensive than trailers because they are self-contained motorized units that offer the ambiance and comfort of home even while you are on wheels.

They are usually long and spacious, although many fifth wheels can be too.

There is usually a sleeping space that can accommodate 2 to 8 passengers. And, you can use these comforts even while it’s being driven.

If it were a trailer, you’d have to park first before your partner can use the restroom!

I devoted a recent article of mine to explore the difference in some depth. I explained that an RV is any type of recreational vehicle, including those with motors and that it also includes non-motorized ones.

Just click the link to read it on my site.

Here is a breakdown of the differences of all the main RV types

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What are the best quality motorhomes?

American Eagle 45K, Coachmen Concord, Dynamax, Holiday Rambler, Leisure Travel, and Newmar offer some of the most upscale motorhomes in the market. They perform well on the road and are stylish and durable.

Many of these brands also offer more options such as more space, more gadgets and have integrated the latest technology to make life easier for RVers.

Below is a list of some of the best quality motorhomes and the brands behind them.

• American Eagle 45K
• Coachmen Concord Class C
• Dynamax Europa 31SS
• Holiday Rambler Nautica 35MS
• Newmar The Bay Star
• Thor The Palazzo 33. 6
• Winnebago The Solix 59PX

Let’s check out one or two of these motorhomes.

Holiday Rambler Nautica MS

From the outside, it’s got a compact and alluring look. It’s even more beautiful when you step inside. It has an entertainment center, patio-side dinette, and a full-featured residential galley.

There’s a large wardrobe and a spacious master bedroom. The Nautica 35MS is the largest in its class. It’s built on the all-new Delta Chassis. It’s a gorgeous blend of state-of-the-art engineering and beauty.

Newmar Bay Star

Newmar Bay Star is a Class A motorhome. This is what I own.

So, it’s upscale and spacious. The interior is so beautiful, and it’s got a “presidential” feel to it. There are many different floor plans, including at least 1 with bunk beds.

High-quality cabinets, drawers that auto-close, flatscreen TVs that are on “televators” that can raise or lower down into a fixture are just a few of the better features.

It’s powered by a 7.3-liter V 8 and is built on Ford’s new F-series chassis.

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What are the worst RV brands?

As a general rule, the RV brands that hold their value the worst or get the most criticisms on RV forums include:

• Forest River

But the reality is that it depends on how deep you dig. You’d find folks complaining about even some of the best brands.

Airstream is probably the only exception.

It’s vital to note that brands have many models, so it’s good to pay attention to the particular model one’s considering and do a deep dive on it and not just dismiss it simply because some folks have complained about the brand.

Let’s pick a brand and check out examples of what folks aren’t really happy about.

Here are some details based on forum posts from a wide variety of RV owners.

• The battery is not as efficient as it should while charging
• The wall and the fake leather upholstery peels
• The placement of switches and control panels are awkward and so hard to reach
• The leveling jack breaks

You’ve heard of Class B RVs, and you’re wondering if they’re worth it.

That’s what I addressed in a recent article of mine. In it, I showed that because of their small size, they are great if you have no plan to live full time in them and only plan to travel with 1-2 people at a time.

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What travel trailers last the longest?

Jayco, Winnebago, and Airstream are some of the best travel trailer brands that last the longest. These manufacturers focus on functionality, durability, and longevity, and they have been in the business for decades.

Some relatively new brands are equally durable.

Below is a list of 12 of the best brands:

• Airstream Flying Cloud  
• Winnebago Minnie Winnie 
• Dutchmen Aerolite  
• Coleman Light series 
• Happier Adaptiv Camper van
• Starcraft Mossy Oak 
• Jayco Feather 
• Forest River Alpha Wolf
• Prime Time 
•  Palomino travel 
•  Flagstaff E-Pro travel

Let’s find out why the Winnebago Minnie Winnie Travel Trailer is one of the longer-lasting brands out there.

Then, in the next section, we’ll check out the Airstream .

The Winnebago brand is one of the most well-known and respected brands in the RV world. Its RVs are designed with attention to detail and are made for the long haul.

They are very strong.

The company tests its prototypes, raw materials, finished parts, and completed trailers to ensure that its products are of high quality, perform very well, are durable, and long-lasting.

Say you’re thinking of a Class A motorhome or a travel trailer: which one’s better?

Luckily, that’s what I explored in a recent article of mine. I said that Class A Motorhomes are great for families who travel often, while travel trailers are good for smaller families who do weekend getaways.

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What type of RV holds its value best?

Class C and B RVs hold their value the best. Class A RVs depreciate much faster, as do travel trailers. But Airstream trailers hold their value well. The type of RV that loses the most value are pop-up campers.

Then, if we’re talking brands, Airstream, Jayco, and Winnebago hold their value best. They have been manufacturing RVs for decades and offer top-of-the-line products.

It’s important to factor in what you want from a rig in choosing any of these top brands.

If you’d like one with a lot of space, perhaps because you’ve got 3 kids, there’s no point buying a rig that’s only ideal for two people, right? So, you’d need to dig a bit deep to know the features of each.

I’d go for an Airstream any day. To know how well-made and durable it is, consider that 75% of Airstreams made in 1931 are still in use .

That’s 80 years afterward! And there’s always a long waiting list of folks ready to buy them second-hand when they are available. They are usually sold in hours or days after they’re available for sale.

So you’d like to live in an RV?

That’s exactly what I wrote about in a recent article of mine where I explained that it’s best to get yourself Class A for traveling and a fifth wheel for longer stays at campgrounds. And to plan to buy a new one in January or a late model that is 1-2 years old.

In the article, we looked at the difference between an RV and a motorcoach. A motorcoach is an RV, but not all RVs are motor coaches.

We learned about the best quality motorhomes and the worst brand of RVs. We also checked out the travel trailers that last the longest and what type of RV holds its value best.

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Prevost H3-45 by Jason Lawrence and RV by David Ashleydale are licensed under CC2.0 and were cropped, edited, color adjusted, merged, and had a text overlay added and a graphic background added.

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Semi Truck RV or Tour Bus? One Of These $600,000+ Motor Homes Is the Ultimate Land Yacht! (Video)

One can tow twice as much as the other.

Which one is the ultimate motor home? I check compare an all-new 2020 Newmar Supreme Aire (Super C) motor coach which is based on a semi truck to a 2020 Newmar Mountain Aire – the bus! One of these $600,000+ motor homes is the ultimate land yacht.

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Semi Truck RV – Super C

This giant 45-foot long luxury coach is based on a Freightliner chassis. Under the hood is a Detroit Diesel (DD13) with a rating of 505 hp and 1,850 lb-ft of torque. The engine is in the front, and the cabin would be very familiar to you if you have driven any semi truck in the past.

This coach has every luxury home feature you can imagine: kitchen, living room, bedroom with a king size bed, bathroom, three TVs, storage, and more.

The big benefit of a Super C semi-truck RV is its massive 30,000 lbs trailer towing capacity. Since the engine is in the front, it’s able to get plenty of air to cool down the massive engine and provide solid power to pull a very heavy load.

Tour Bus RV – Class A

This is more of a traditional motor home. It has many of the same creature comforts as the Super C, but a little more interior space and at least one more TV for a total of four.

It’s a “diesel pusher”, which means the big Cummins turbo-diesel is mounted in the back. The power is rated at 500 hp and 1,695 lb-ft of torque. The engine produces plenty of power, but “the bus” is rated to tow a maximum of 15,000 lbs (half of the Super C). It’s not as easy to cool that giant engine in the back when the trailer is also back there. The Supremer Aire (Super C) wins the trailer towing battle without a question.

Still, the Newmar Mountain Aire has a couple of other benefits over the Supreme Aire. It can make a much shorter turn thanks to a rear “tag axle” steering system. It is also a bit more relaxed to drive, in my opinon.

The Mountain Aire “bus” you see here is approximately $70,000 more expensive than the the Supreme Aire. If you plan to tow a large trailer with your RV, the Supreme Aire is a fine choice. However, I would choose the Mountain Aire in this comparison because it’s a little easier to drive and it offers a little more space.

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Why We Bought a Bus vs. a Van or RV

Van vs. bus — RV vs. bus — we thought about it all before settling on our shuttle bus conversion.

The choice to live full-time out of a vehicle seemed like it was pretty easy compared to deciding, once we were settled on doing a stint of road life, which vehicle to choose. We did tons of research and a lot of pondering before we settled on a shuttle bus , and while our choice wouldn’t be right for everyone, we wanted to lay out our thinking in case anyone else is going through the same process.

Our criteria

we wanted something reliable and safe, something in which we could stand up, and something with enough space to feel livable for a family of four.

Van vs. Bus

Initially, we were most attracted to vans. We liked the stealth, the gas mileage, and the safety, and there are so many resources for van conversions that we were confident the project was doable. We thought we’d go that route and spent most of our time considering whether a Sprinter or Ford Transit would be best. But in our configuring, we just kept running into problems. The biggest Transit was too small. The Sprinters were a good size, but we weren’t thrilled about getting into a Mercedes: we have family members who own FedEx routes and fleets of Sprinters and they unilaterally described Sprinters as problem vehicles. It seems that once Sprinters get a good bit of mileage on them, they start having a lot of engine problems, and because they’re Mercedes, the problems are super expensive to fix. While we know plenty of people who love their Sprinters, we didn’t want to get into something that would be so potentially problematic.

We also looked at installing extended fiberglass tops to other types of vans in an attempt to get the Sprinter height with the reliability of another vehicle. But other vans had shorter wheel bases, which meant much less living space.

So we started looking at RVs. They seemed like an obvious choice and still, when we showed people what we were planning with the bus, we were invariably asked some variation of, “So why didn’t you just buy an RV?”

Well, for a few reasons. Safety was a big one, especially with the kids. While buses are basically constructed inside a metal cage, RVs are much lighter and less rugged. The kids’ seats would probably have been hooked to dinette seats, which vary in their construction, but are frequently much less sturdy than typical car seats. We’re not planning on getting into any fiery crashes, but if we did, we want something that will hold up. I definitely don’t think an RV is an irresponsible choice. But knowing how much time we’d be spending on the road, we wanted to be really comfortable with our level of safety.

We also had a hard time finding an RV layout that made sense for us. We wanted to sleep in the same area as the kids, but probably not the same bed (because we are all giants and sloppy sleepers), which we couldn’t configure in an existing RV layout. We wanted to be able to work comfortably after the kids went to sleep. And we really didn’t want a bathroom, so we were hesitant to sacrifice space to one. It might seem odd that a bathroom was on our list of undesirables, but we didn’t want to deal with a black water tank or a frustratingly tiny sink, and we definitely didn’t want an RV shower. When you are 6 feet and over, RV showers are just a special kind of cruel. (But all this about the bathroom would likely be totally different for someone else. I have strong, experience-borne aversions to RV bathrooms that a lot of others don’t share. So take it all with a grain of salt.) We also wanted solar power, good insulation, and a full-sized sink, along with a bunch of other features that weren’t totally crucial, but would make it more livable for us.

Basically, we knew if we got an RV we’d have to gut it to get a layout we were really happy with, and if we settled on a layout we didn’t love, we’d still want to add enough upgrades that it didn’t seem to make sense to invest in an RV in the first place.

How Our Family of 4 Travelled and Camped for 2 Months In 6 Countries with Only Carry-Ons

Deciding on a bus

So we were down to buses.

We honestly never considered a school bus because as soon as we started looking at buses, we found a wholesale dealer in Arizona and immediately connected about a couple of shuttle bus gems, including the one we ended up with. School bus conversions look awesome, but we think it would have been a poor choice for us, mostly for time reasons. We had to get our build done in a little over a month and a school bus conversion, because they usually involve grinding out rust, raising the ceiling, and other metal work, would have taken much more time than we had.

So all in all, we are super happy we ended up where we did! The shuttle bus isn’t perfect, of course, but we loved being able to design and build it to fit our little family. And now that we’ve been in it full-time for several months, we can honestly say that the choice has been perfect for us.

We hope this helps you compare van vs. bus or RV vs. bus, in case you’re considering the bus/van/RV-life for yourself! If you have any questions, let us know! We’re not experts, but we’d love to share our experience.

Was nice chatting with you both in Sister’s Bay in Door County. I saw you were searching for the best donut. In Ohio, we had an awesome donut out of a "food truck" style business. http://www.timesreporter.com/article/20140815/news/140819531 Here’s the owner’s story. If you happen to pass through! Also great cheese stores. Happy Travels–Shari & Dan

So nice to meet you!! We won’t be passing through Ohio again for a big, but will definitely put this one on our list! Thank you :).

Who do you go to for repairs? Do you get turned down a lot by mechanics about the size? (Not having a shop big enough, basement, big enough tools, etc).

Hi, Just wondering what fuel mileage you’re getting. I can’t tell the year but it looks like you may be running with the 6.0L diesel? With some modifications its a great engine. Travis

It’s actually gas! We’re getting about 10-12 mpg, so decidedly not great. We also looked at diesel shuttles, but this one was in better shape—the engines definitely don’t last as long but are so much cheaper to replace it seemed like kind of a toss-up!

Hi David! Do you have an outline of your interior design? I’d love to see how you utilized space! Thanks so much!

I don’t have a drawing, but there is a video over on our youtube channel that walks through the interior! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxnME4Qtts4

This has been so so helpful! My husband and I owned a camper van a couple years back. (1994 dodge) we had so much fun converting it and took trips in it as often as we could. When I got pregnant we sold it because it couldn’t safely accommodate kids and was definitely not big enough. Fast forward… our little girl is 1 and we’re dying to move into a van or bus. Weve been diligently researching and seeing you guys manage this with two kids has been inspiring and you guys have been a great resource for information. I hope you guys post something detailed about all your storage as well as floor plan. But I love the bunk type set up you have next to your bed! Seriously you guys rule!

Ah, thank you so much!! This kind of travel is definitely doable with kids; we really prefer it to flying and/or staying in hotels. It’s so nice to have the kids in the same space every night! We’re working on a post about our build that will have more info. about storage and setup. But we also did a bus tour with Less Junk, More Journey (it’s on our videos page here on the website) and that shows a lot more of where we’ve got things stowed! Let me know if you have any questions!

Hi! I just saw your interview with Less Junk, More Journey. I really enjoyed the video and your input. I started to look into shuttle/school bus conversions but I hit a wall with the insurance. How do was it for you guy getting insurance? Who do you use for insurance? I share the same exact views for choosing a shuttle bus over an RV, especially regarding the safety and floor plan issues. We are a family of 8. We won’t be selling our home and will be touring cities and doing a lot of driveway surfing. I want something a little more nimble than a huge class c but cheaper than a B+. I am looking forward to following you on Instagram. Enjoy your journey!

Hey! So glad you got in touch and excited for your potential bus! We were very nervous about insurance and it worked out easier than we thought. We have two policies: one for liability and one for the bus’s contents (because we travel with a computer, camera equipment, etc. If you’re not full-time, I don’t know how necessary this would be.) Our insurance is Progressive; the trick with this was to go through an independent agent in the state where we’re registered, rather than calling the main Progressive customer service line. Our bus is registered as an RV and insured as one, but we were very upfront about what type of vehicle it is and how we built it out ourselves. No one took issue with it, and though we haven’t had to get anything covered by insurance so far, we feel much better having it!

Your story as I read it just speaks to me. I’m certainly concerned about the cost and all of the things that you describe that you had need of are very similar to mine with regards to height, safety and practicality. I would love to converse with you and find out where in Arizona you purchased your vehicle.

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What a fantastic adventure! You are capturing memories for all of America. And what a fine way to travel. Your shuttle bus is beautiful. I bought a used shuttle bus a week ago and I have been busy preparing it for an adventure of my own. See http://www.watercolorwildflowers.com . I will keep reading your updates and watching for beautiful photos. What did you name your bus?

Hello! This bus looks nothing but awesome! I was wondering about the insurance you use on this bus as I’ve heard horror stories about getting the shuttle bus’ insured. What was your experience?

We worked through a local Progressive agent in Idaho, insured it as a self-converted RV and it was surprisingly quick and painless! We’d heard horror stories too, so we were super nervous. The key seemed to be getting a real live local person instead of just calling the main number for the company.

Awesome! Thank you so much for sharing. If I may ask, how do you lock your bus and go explore without the fear of your home getting stolen? What systems do you have in place?

Just regular locks! We have an insurance policy on everything inside, but we’ve really been lucky that it’s never been broken into. We try to be smart about not leaving our laptop and such visible, and about where we park.

Can you send more pics of the inside please to [email protected]

Hey I just wanna thank you for all this information! It’s spot on and I’ve been looking for this kinda analysis a long time. Take care

Thanks for the kind words!

Hey! Thank you so much for this. I’ve been hunting for this kind of breakdown as I’m between a shuttle bus and a short bus. I’m actually in Arizona and wondering if you don’t mind sharing the wholesalers contact info with me?

Can you tell me if your shuttle is fiberglass on the outside? I feel like this is a silly question but this is my main reason for feeling we should have gone with a bus instead. We just bought a shuttle bus but I’m worried about screwing things into fiberglass.

It is fiberglass! We were also nervous about drilling into it, but it turned out to be easy. Self-tapping screws help!

Thank you so much for this info! Helped a lot for my girlfriend and I make the decision to go minibus. We did end up deciding on a 2008 mini skoolie.

That’s awesome! I hope you guys love it—bus life has been so good for us!

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Hi there! I love your website. Right now, I’m in the research stage. I really want a vehicle thats safe in an accident. I’ve been trying to figure out how safe shuttle buses are compared to school buses. Since your bus has a body made with fiberglass, were you concerned at all about that? What made you decide a shuttle? Did this model have a safety rating that was good? School buses are mostly comprised with a steel body, some people say they’re safer, have you heard that before? Did you think about school buses? I’m sorry for so many questions, just hoped you got some where because so far I haven’t too much. Thank you!

Hey, sorry for the delay in responding! I don’t know of a specific safety rating, but part of the reason we chose this shuttle was because the fiberglass body was built around essentially a steel cage, very similar to a school bus. So I’d say it’s comparable to a school bus in terms of safety!

Hi, My daughter and I looked at a 22 ft RV, we passed on it. We decided we did not wants something that wide. How do the shuttle buses and mini buses compare. Are they not as wide?

It really depends on the bus! They’re are usually built custom so the body size varies. But generally they are several feet wider than vans; ours was about as wide as a typical C-class RV!

Hi! I love your story thank you for sharing. I have a few questions for you please! do you run into any restrictions for a large vehicle like this? Im trying which has the least amount of restrictions (due to size etc..). Also, is it a commertial vehicle? Thank you, wishing your family the best!

I like that you mentioned that you took the bus to a shop because it would have taken more time than you had to fix a few of the problems. My friend is restoring a bus and they want to do everything themselves, but that would take years. I have told them to go get a little bit of the work done at a shop so they can have it done in a reasonable time frame.

I’m curious, what is your total weight loaded up?

Asking because I have a nearly identical E-450 shuttle bus.

How fast do you go up steep grades?

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Bus Conversions vs. RVs: Which One Is Better?

School bus conversions are all over the internet. These luxurious DIY tiny homes on wheels offer a much different experience than a mass-produced RV . So is converting a school bus better than buying an RV ? Unfortunately, the answer to that question isn’t cut and dry.

Bus conversions can cost as much as high-end RVs but they don’t have to

Part of the appeal of the school bus conversion is its nearly limitless potential for customization. Building a unique bus from the ground up means the price of one bus to another can vary wildly. Some build no-frills rolling homes. Others create luxury retreats that can easily cost as much as a “sticks and bricks” house.

RVs are much more static in price. Manufacturers set suggested MSRPs and dealerships tack on additional fees. There is a spectrum of mass-produced rigs from affordable to unattainable. On average, an RV is typically more expensive than a Bus conversion. Popular Mechanics estimates that bus conversions cost about 10% of the sale price of a second-hand RV.

The average conversion with full hookups can be built for $30,000. Buyers would be hard-pressed to find a similar size RV in that price range, even at the lower end of the quality scale. RVs cost more to purchase and more to maintain. A bus conversion is a clear choice if budget is a primary concern, but the savings mean a high labor cost.

Which is safer, a bus conversion or an RV?

Safety is where a school bus conversion beats an RV, hands down, with minimal exceptions. RVs have been heavily criticized for safety concerns since they first hit the road. As a result, modern units are made as cheaply and quickly as possible. Unfortunately, this means using lower-quality materials that are less durable. As a result, when an RV is involved in a traffic accident, it’s not uncommon to see whole walls detach and other catastrophic damage.

Where RVs are made with plastic, particleboard, and fiberglass, school buses are solid Steel. The arched roof shape and internal ribs give the structure of a school bus immense strength. Even the windows are built to withstand collisions better than an RV, often framed in steel as well.

A converted school bus’s biggest weak spot for safety is the interior build. A conversion is only as safe as its owner makes it. With well anchored, sturdy features and correctly installed seatbelts, a converted school bus can be safer than an RV by a landslide.

School bus conversions have some major downsides compared to RVs

There are a few common headaches that many bus owners face that don’t apply to RVs. Insuring a school bus conversion can be a major pain point. A bus must be converted to certain standards and titled as an RV before it can be insured as one. This process varies from state to state and may include a professional inspection.

Even after a bus is properly titled, finding a policy that covers conversions can be challenging. There are companies known for accepting converted busses, but rejections are still possible. Finding the right agent is a make or break for conversion owners.

RV parks can be very pricey , and with those prices can come rig standards that busses can not meet. Some parks will turn away a bus conversion based on preconceived impressions. It can be difficult to find a place to camp outside of state parks, whereas a new RV is welcomed anywhere.

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Decision: Winnebago Tour, Newmar Dutchstar or Tiffin Allegro Bus

By shapoe , March 28, 2017 in Type A motorhomes

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I am trying to decide among a Winnebago Tour, Newmar Dutchstar and Tiffin Allegro Bus. 

All similar configurations, all tag axles,

What is the general impression of ride, quietness, handling, quality control, frequency of recalls or problems. 

Any advice much appreciated.

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I recently drove a 2016 Dutchstar and I have to say that I was very impressed with the comfort steer system.  The ride was a bit firmer than I'm used to with our Country Coach, but very acceptable and a treat to drive mainly due to the steering.  It handled curves well and was relatively quiet, even with the generator running while we were driving.  I didn't care for the lack of walking space with the slides retracted in the Dutchstar that I was looking at (don't recall the model).  

Thank you for your prompt reply.  I'll look again at the space in the Dutchstar but I recall something similar in terms of tightness

wildebill308   

jleamont   

I'm betting the floor plan selection would help or hurt the interior when closed up on any make, just look at them closed up carefully. We toured a new Dutchstar (I believe it was a 4369) at a campground last August. New found FMCA friends.... I was impressed at the quality and the fact they had the unit for a month and just returned from a month long trip, not a single problem with the unit, in todays market that in of itself was IMPRESSIVE! The other item that my jaw dropped on was the engine compartment layout, it was huge and plenty of room for servicing, the rear hatches opened up with more than adequate space inside and outside. One thing to keep in mind while shopping, it will need maintenance and repairs, if its not accessible its going to cost you a fortune to repair and maintain.

Overall it was a very nice coach, not built as solid as they once were but overall seemed like a good choice to me.

I have nothing good to say about the other two especially the T one, I will leave it at that.

OK - for several reasons, I've eliminated the Tiffin Allegro Bus from consideration.

Now I'm trying to decide between a fully loaded 2017 Tour 42qd and a Newmar 4018.  Very similar layouts and reasonably close in options and specifications. I've used the NADA guide and do not seen an appreciable difference in resale % over time. Prices are close.

Guidance please:  quality, comfort of ride, quietness in coach, both have passive TAG and both have IFS.  Any other factors I should consider.

Thanks to all.

manholt   

New thought - cannot go to 45 feet due to storage limitations.  I can buy a 2017 Grand Tour (43 feet) at almost the same price as a Newmar Dutchstar of similar size. 

Any thoughts about fit, finish, ride, quality, etc.

rtdavew   

One big difference is radiator placement I believe the Tour is rear versus side on DS. As noted about make sure you are comfortable with how livable the units are with the slides in. I do think Newmar has the highest initial quality by a fair amount. Also when you look at the used market there are far fewer Newmars than either Winne or Tiffin. I know if it was my money I would go Dutch Star because of comfort drive.

1 hour ago, rtdavew said: One big difference is radiator placement I believe the Tour is rear versus side on DS. 

I just looked at a 2017 Tour that just came from the Junction City factory (Old Country Coach facility) and the newer models sport a side radiator (45 foot model with 450 HP motor) I believe that this is a change for the new model year.

BillAdams   

You should contact David Bott.  He bought a Tour and then had Winebago take it back.  He now owns a Tiffin.  You can contact him via his website http://www.outsideourbubble.com/ or he is an active poster on the Tiffin RV Forum.

What am I missing ?  Looked at the Dutchstar 4369 or 4381 - rides nice but I liked the steering set to 3-4 rather than down in the 1-2 range.  Really tight when closed- about 14" barely got refrig door opened; door to 1/2 bath nicely designed to permit access.  Here is the big difference - where is the storage room.  In the coach virtually every cabinet was smaller than my Journey (36M) and less of them (although the wood was quite nice).  And in the basement - almost no storage.

We are occasional users, far from full time, but cannot imagine how anyone can store stuff in a Dutchstar.  What am I missing?

Also, I went back to a year's worth of recall notices on competing brands and the clear "winner" was Newmar Dutchstar with recalls almost EVERY MONTH.  Neither Tiffin nor Winnebago had many. Again, is this silly to look at things this way? Thanks everyone for your advice.  I'm only into this for 1 1/2 years.

Lastly, what is the significance of a side radiator.  And how important is it to have passive tag axle.

Corona4me   

Our Old School Dutchstar has plenty storage, The Tag if for all the unnecessary bling they push on the "New" buyers...Parked with a couple that own a Winnie Tour (new) they had it for 7 months, it spent 4 in the shop, they weren't happy! Less maintenance with a side radiator.

abyrd   

The side radiator provide better access to the engine for repairs,  doesn't much difference for routine maintenance.

Sorry to say this.  If you want access to everything, inside and out, while your on the road?  Get a coach without slides!  The coach of today, come with 3 or 4 slides...your coach is 101.5 or 102 inches wide on exterior and an average of 98 inches interior...you do the math!  You can't have it both ways. 

I find that I get less dirt and grime on the back off coach, better air flow with a side radiator.  As far as keeping the radiator and CAC clean, rear is easier.  Getting at engine for service, then side is more cost effective.

As for the original question.  I would go with the Newmar Vantana, 40 foot.  My significant other want's a new DP, pre Chandler Rally, she was looking at a 45 foot bath and a half with 4 slide coach...she currently has a 40 foot DP 3 slide Tiffin.  She fell in love with everything the Vantana had to offer in a 40, including tag.  As far as Big Bang for the Bucks, I agree!  My first Class A was a Winnebago a nice, new 1967.  My second DP was a new 2007 Tour 40 foot, POS that spent a lot of months in a shop over a 5 year period...as the years go by, a brand name changes and mostly, not for the better!  Same with Tiffin, been there and got the T shirt. 

shapo.  you want a 43 foot, OK.  In another Post I wrote about twist an torque.  Your going to want a really strong, cross braced, chassis, like the K2 or K3 by Spartan to minimize the torque!  That puts you in Newmar...my humble 2 cents worth. 

pmsaran   

I do not have a horse in this race, but we have friends with a 2016 Winnebago 37 DP and it has spend more time back

at the dealer than in their hands.  In July they will drop it off at the factory for more rework.  with slide in you can see daylight.

BSMEATON   

Our favorite by far was the Tour 42QD and the Grand Tour would be just awesome for us.  We found the Meridian/Tour 42E worked for us in feature/value with close to the same layout as the 42QD, but doesn't mean I wouldn't love to jump at a the Tour if it financially made sense for us as vacationers.

We also loved the richness of the Allegro Bus, but almost a little too ornate for us and we could never find a floor plan we liked for the living room.

Dutch Star was also a beautiful coach, and they did have a floorplan similar to the 42QD in the living room, but we never found one that matched what we wanted in floor plan.  

We have the Tag and it is simply an issue of weight - the tag supports the extended length of our bath and 1/2 and makes the rear axles rated for 30,000 lbs.  Handling wise it is a treat to drive.  We did not drive the Comfort Drive Newmar, but understand the concept and there are some aftermarket products that will get you close if it is a requirement.  We did drive several Spartan versus Freightliner chassis and I honestly couldn't tell the difference, but we aren't necessarily seasoned.  I know there is a lot of hoopla about side radiators, but in the end for us the rear radiator serves well and our shop has never complained about it for service (which has been maintenance, no repair).  I suppose if push came to shove the side radiator may be easier to put on a belt and may be cheaper for some maintenance, but in the scheme of things I wouldn't let that be a show stopper.

For every brand there are stories of the dreaded "time in the shop" but without qualification (was it the chassis, the coach, the appliance) it is hard to make judgement.  Many share the same chassis, and almost all share the same appliances.  Was it in the shop for a long time because it had so many issues, or was it because the shop had a 12 week lag time and blamed part accessibility on the manufacturer to overcome the fact he pushed all his new sale preps in front of yours?  Hard to ever tell without the facts.

five   

Floor plan is key, most of the other characteristics of these three (and American Coach) should be about the same.

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I had NO idea what it meant.

An RV with five wheels? Isn’t a fifth wheel bad? Kinda like being the third wheel on a date?

It took an astonishingly long time for me to grasp that a gooseneck trailer and a fifth wheel are the same shape—but one is for towing livestock and things and the other is a luxurious home on wheels.

(Here are 31 more RVing terms new travelers should know! )

There are endless options when it comes to buying an RV and pros and cons to each. In this super long post, I’ll cover all the major types of motorhomes, trailers, and campers you can buy to hit the road.

Now within these three types, there are quite a few different options. There are Class A motorhomes (and B’s and C’s). There are travel trailers and fifth wheels. Then there’s always pop-up campers and truck campers. Or if you’re really fancy, there are bus conversions and motorcoaches.

It starts getting confusing, doesn’t it?

Let’s look into how we define those three main categories:

• Motorhomes Motorhomes are exactly what they sound like: homes with motors. This is the key distinction (and just so you know for later if you want to tow a car , this is the type of rig for you). Please don’t confuse motorhomes with mobile homes. They are completely different. Mobile homes are what you see riding on the back of “oversized loads” going down the highway. They aren’t as mobile as their name implies. Options: Class A, Class C, Class B, Buses, Motorcoaches
• Trailers Trailers are motorless RVs that must be towed by a truck or some other heavy-duty vehicle. Options: Fifth Wheels or Travel Trailers
• Campers* Campers are everything that doesn’t quite fall into these two options and are more designed for “weekenders” (i.e. people who don’t use an RV as their primary residence but use it purely for pleasure). Campers are typically smaller than trailers and more lightweight. You’ll need to own a truck or just a large SUV for these. Options: Truck Campers, Pop-Ups, Teardrops or “tiny trailers”

Now that you know the main types of RVs, let’s break down your options one-by-one so you can figure out which rig is right for you.

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A Quick Look at Class A’s

Average Length: 27-50 feet

Height: 11 feet-13 foot 6 inches (industry maximum)

Average Cost (new):  $70K-$1M+

• Ample living space
• Kitchen amenities: stove, oven, microwave, refrigerator
• Bathroom amenities: toilet, separated shower
• Gas or diesel options available
• Expensive upfront costs
• Motor maintenance*
• Insurance costs
• Length limits ability to travel certain place
• Need to tow a car for easier local travel

Motorhomes: Class A

Class A’s are your classic motorhome. Heath and I loved our Class A Winnebago Brave . With opposing slideouts, it felt HUGE. And at 33′ it was still small enough to be manageable to drive and not limit us on access in national parks.

When it comes to motorhomes, Class A’s are your largest option. Generally speaking, they will have the highest-powered motors and offer the most space.

Class A’s typically range between 27-50 feet long. Most A’s will have at least one slide-out. The bigger the rig, the more special features you can expect. Our 33-foot rig with two slides (also referred to commonly as slide-outs or pop-outs) has a king-sized bed, a huge couch (that folds into a bed), dinette that seats four (and converts into a bed), a twin-size loft bed, and a removable coffee table.

Our rig sleeps five total, which is average for a Class A, but many can sleep up to 10 people. (Choosing to host that many people for a sleepover is up to you).

Layouts for Class A’s will differ based on manufacturer and model. But 99% of Class A’s will include a kitchen (refrigerator, sink, stove, oven, microwave), a bathroom (toilet, sink, shower), a dining table or a dining table/couch combo, and a bedroom.

Depending on the year, some models might not have showers, and ovens are typically considered a “specialty” feature. But overall, it has everything your home would have*, including two A/C units. Because it includes two A/Cs (one for the living area, one for the bedroom), Class A’s run on 50 AMP power.

Class A’s are gas pullers or diesel pushers (engine in the front versus engine in the back). Overall, they are the most expensive type of RV and offer a great deal of space.

* If you’re looking for a rig with a washer/dryer set and a dishwasher, you’ll need a large class A motorhome or a fifth wheel.

A Quick Look at Class C’s

Average Length: 23-35 feet

Height: 10-11 feet

Average Cost (new): $50K-$120K

• Living space
• Kitchen amenities: stove, oven (in larger models only), microwave, refrigerator
• Bathroom amenities: toilet, shower
• Expensive upfront costs (compared to trailers and campers. Generally C’s will be the cheapest motorhome option though!)
• Motor maintenance
• Need/want to tow a car for easier local travel
• Less living space than Class A (even if rigs are the same length) because of the separated driving area

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Motorhomes: Class C’s

Class C motorhomes have a very distinct silhouette. While Class A’s have giant windshields, Class C’s have a loft above the cab. This loft is typically a bed or a storage option.

Class C’s are generally shorter (in height and length) and smaller than Class A’s. C’s will have a kitchen and bathroom, but depending on the length, they might not have a full bedroom. Your bed might be above the cab of the rig or in the corner.

In general, you can expect fewer or smaller features in a C compared to an A. For example, no oven, a significantly smaller shower, and a kitchen table for two instead of four.

C’s will run on 30 AMP power. Among other things, this means your C will have only one A/C unit. This also means you’ll have better electric options when traveling. We often are forced to use 30 AMPs on our Class A because of a lack of availability of 50 AMP sites at RV parks.

The biggest difference between the A & C is the driving areas. You will step down into a C driving area, and you will have driver and passenger doors in addition to the main door. Because you step down into this area, the cab isn’t “livable” space, while it typically can be in an A. This means that even though many Class A’s and C’s are the same lengths, A’s have more living space.

Engines between these two classes are very similar and sometimes even the exact same. If you trust my RV salesman, supposedly Class A engines get better gas mileage, even if they are identical engines. (What am I saying? He probably made that up.) C’s are great for fast or moderate-paced travel, regardless of gas mileage. Depending on the length of your C, you’ll likely want to tow a car .

Our first motorhome was a 29′ class C. It was a little too long to drive around with a tow car but it was the perfect size for two people who wanted to go on adventures. You can see inside that first motorhome and see our little renovation here .

Photo Credit: Kristin Snow

A Quick Look at Class B’s

Average Length: 15-25 feet

Height:  9-10 feet

Average Cost (new): $40K-$125K+

• Typically have the best engines (often built on Mercedes chassis)
• Small and easy to maneuver
• Great for fast-paced travel
• Sleeps 2(+)
• Small living area for more than two people
• Fewer amenities
• The smallest amount of storage space in a motorhome
• They can often be as expensive as Class C’s

Motorhomes: Class B

Class B’s are smaller than A’s and smaller than C’s.

“That’s weird. Why aren’t the motorhomes named based on size?” I DON’T KNOW. It would only make sense for B’s to be the medium-sized rig. But this is how it is.

Class B’s are your smallest motorhome option. But don’t discount these bad boys based on their size. Many B’s are up to 25 ft long.

B’s are generally luxury vehicles. Most are built on Mercedes chassis, so you’ll have a diesel engine known for lasting. This means they can be pricey since you’re paying for a diesel engine, but in addition to the strong engines, some of the most beautiful RV interiors I’ve seen are inside B’s.

B’s will include a bathroom and kitchen, but with fewer amenities than larger rigs. You probably won’t find an oven in B’s and you might have a wet bath (meaning a combined shower and bathroom). And unlike A’s and C’s, Class B’s generally will not have slide outs.

There will most likely be a bed, a couch that transforms into a bed, or even a murphy bed. Unlike Class A’s and C’s which typically have a private bedroom, B’s are more open, like a studio apartment.

Oh, and in case I didn’t mention it yet, all RVs—motorhomes, campers and trailers—built in the past few years come with flat-screen TVs. Yes, plural. TVs. It is the 20th century after all.

We recently toured Canada for three months in a Leisure Travel Van (considered a B+ motorhome because RV class names are just made up) and recorded this video tour:

A Quick Look at  Super C’s

So now you know what A, C, and B’s are, and that they are named in a totally weird order. Just to make things crazy, let me teach you about Super C’s.

A Super C is a Class C (same basic silhouette), BUT they have an 18-wheeler engine. Oh yeah. These big guys can haul. They are a great option if you’re planning a lot of mountain travel, or if you want to tow a large vehicle behind your rig, like a truck.

According to my husband, these are the “sexiest” RVs. I don’t want to know what that means. But if you’re looking for a solid engine—and you can afford to pay top dollar for it—Super C is a great option.

Super C’s will have all the amenities of a Class A or C, but because of their hefty price tag (you’re paying for a diesel engine), they usually include extra features like washer/dryer hookups or an electric fireplace. Some will be toy haulers (which I’ll explain in a second!).

A Quick Look at Buses and Motorcoaches

I’m going to avoid going into details on buses and motorcoaches for two reasons:

Buses: Most buses are projects. You buy an old bus and you have to build your rig yourself (or using a company). School bus conversions are becoming increasingly popular, but I know absolutely nothing about them. Want to customize your own RV? Buy an old bus.

Motorcoaches: Are you a millionaire? Are you planning to open for Taylor Swift on her next tour? No? You shouldn’t buy a motorcoach. Like literally Prevost and other high-end motorcoach brands literally sell rigs that cost $2 MILLION. Get outta here.

Photo Credit: 188 Sq. Ft. Follow Kevin and Mandy on Instagram.

A Quick Look at Fifth Wheels

Length: 22-40 feet

Average Height: 12 feet-13 foot 6 inches

Average Cost (new): $25K-$100K+

• Amenities and layout most comparable to a house
• Largest kitchen option for any type of RV
• More privacy (and available two-bedroom layouts)
• Sleeps 4-8 (probably offers the most sleeping spaces of any type of RV!)
• Price (more space for less money than motorhome)
• Need to purchase a heavy-duty truck
• Outfitting truck bed for hitch
• Difficult of backing into RV sites, making u-turns, backing up
• Designed for a slower pace of travel (compared to motorhomes)
• Interior steps—mostly a problem for those who have trouble with stairs or because climbing stairs will shake the entire rig which is incredibly annoying
• All of your travel will be in a truck (versus in a “home”, like with motorhomes)

Trailers: Fifth Wheels

Ah, fifth wheels. First thing you should know: fifth wheels are huge. HUGE.

This type of trailer is called a fifth wheel because the neck of the trailer (likely where your future bedroom is) will sit in the bed of your truck, so the rig will be towed from the bed of the truck instead of the hitch. Because of this, fifth wheels have two levels (which means extra stairs inside), so there is a little more privacy offered here.

In every fifth wheel I’ve been in, there was: an electric fireplace, a couch, possibly a second couch or two recliners, two A/C units, a kitchen table with four chairs, an island, and a fully stocked kitchen. This is the closest you will get to living in a moving house and will offer the most space and nicest amenities for the best price (generally speaking). Heck, some fifth wheels have fold-out patios just because they are so fancy. Depending on how fancy you want to be, you can find a new fifth wheel for anywhere from 30K-100K.

I’ve been in a lot of RVs in the past few years and I must say, as far as interiors go, fifth wheels have the best design. While motorhomes still seem to be lacking in style, fifth wheels are aesthetically designed for a newer generation of RVers. I’m still waiting to find a rig that doesn’t look like the fabric patterns were picked by a color-blind man, but new fifth wheels do have your least unattractive options. ( Update : Every year, this paragraph becomes a little more untrue as RV manufacturers step up their design game on all their products. Way to go guys!)

Fivers are nice (if you have a truck to tow it with) because you don’t have to worry about engine maintenance on the actual rig. Plus, when your truck has engine problems, you can take it to any shop, whereas most motorhomes can only be serviced at RV-specific or engine-specific mechanics . Because of their weight and size, fifth wheels are best used for slow travel, where you spend weeks or months in a single place.

Unofficially, fifth wheels are the most popular RV for full-time travelers because of their space and price. Grand Design specifically makes the best fivers on the market right now.

Photo credit: Nuventure Travels. Follow Lindsey and Adam on Instagram. 

A Quick Look at Travel Trailers

Average Length: 21-35 feet (Available lengths as short as 12 feet)

Height: 9-12 feet

Cost (new): $12K-$45K

• Open floor plan
• Sleeps 1-8 (depending on the length of your trailer)
• Able to be towed on the hitch of your vehicle (compared to fifth wheels)
• Price (even cheaper than 5th wheels)
• Great for families (and typically a popular choice for families)
• Need to purchase a truck or large SUV for towing
• All of your travel will be in a truck (versus in a “home” like with motorhomes)

Trailers: Travel Trailer

This is your classic pull-behind trailer. Of the options listed so far, this is the least expensive option. You have a great amount of space in travel trailers and you can expect the same amenities as a fifth wheel. However, because it is towed behind your vehicle, they are often shorter and smaller than fifth wheel trailers. In fact, you can buy trailers like Casitas or Scamps for as short as 12 feet.

Kitchen, bathroom, dining area, bedroom—it has them all. In my own shopping experience, I’ve found that travel trailers have the most layout options for bunk beds and room for kids. One trailer even had a room with four bunks, in case you have a large family.

With any trailer, you’ll need to own a truck and you’ll need to start practicing backing up with a trailer. Many RV parks offer pull-thru RV sites, but more often than not, you’ll need to back your trailer into its nightly home.

One of the biggest drawbacks to towable RVs of any kind is that on “drive days” you are stuck inside a truck all day. In our motorhomes, I can stretch my legs, watch TV, work at the desk or kitchen table, nap in bed, make food, stare blankly into the fridge trying to find something to eat, and in general keep myself entertained while traveling. This is a huge plus for motorhomes, especially if you travel with kids!

Photo credit: Mali Mish. Follow Mali Mish on Instagram.

A Quick Look at Truck Campers

Average Floor Length:  6-12 feet

Height: 10-12 feet

Cost (new): $15K-$45K

• Easy to maneuver
• Lightweight
• Designed for travel anywhere
• Designed for a faster-paced travel
• Few amenities
• Need to purchase a truck
• Need to outfit bed of the truck to handle the weight
• Many RV parks don’t allow truck campers (but these rigs are most often seen boondocking anyway)
• All of your travel will be in a truck

Campers: Truck Camper

Little known secret: Before we bought our first RV, we considered a truck camper. We decided against a truck camper when we realized it would actually be more expensive to buy a camper and a truck than to buy a Class C motorhome. We opted for more living space in the motorhome.

Fitting in the bed of your truck, truck campers are the most compact length option for full-time travel, unless you want to sleep in the backseat of your car.

Truck campers will have: a small kitchen (two-burner stove, sink, a fridge), a dining room table that can double as a guest bed, a bathroom (which is most likely a wet bath, meaning you shower where the toilet and sink are), and a bed. If you don’t mind occasionally waking up and hitting your head on the ceiling, a truck camper is a great option if you want to visit places off the map or fit down small roads.

Photo credit: Go RVing. Follow @gorving on Instagram.

A Quick Look at Pop-Ups Campers

Length:  10-27 feet (open or “popped”)

Height:  8-9 feet (open)

Cost (new): $10K-$25K

• Some of them do not have A/C
• No bathroom or shower

Campers: Pop-Up Camper

Don’t live full-time in a pop-up camper.

Oops, sorry. There I go spouting my opinion.

My husband almost tricked me into a pop-up camper. Then I realized a HUGE deal breaker: no A/C (at least the one we were looking at).

Pop-ups usually do not have much kitchen space or a bathroom.  Some will have a mini-fridge and a sink, but that’s not a guarantee! Overall, they are light-weight and easy to tow behind most SUVs, but I wouldn’t recommend them for full-time travel unless you’ll be in ideal climates or unless you really, and I mean really, like the camping and the outdoors.

However, if you want to just weekend travel for a while, pop-ups are a fairly inexpensive option to test out of the RV life without committing to the lifestyle.

Photo credit: Teardrop Trailer. Follow them on Instagram.

A Quick Look at Teardrops

Length:  Less than 13 feet

Height:  Less than 5 feet

Cost (new): $12K-$25K

• Designed for weekend camping trips
• Outdoor kitchen

Campers: Teardrops

Again, teardrops — like pop-ups—are not designed for full-timers. They are, however, super cute! Teardrops are becoming an increasingly popular option among RVers who want a retro camper-vibe. A typical Teardrop camper will have similar amenities to a popup camper, but less than a trailer.

For outdoor lovers like our friends Marc and Tricia , teardrops are a fun way to get really off the grid.

What RV Should I Buy?

Ultimately, there are a lot of factors to decide on when picking your first RV. Buying an RV is a mix of extreme excitement and a lot of stress in making the right decision. The best thing you can do is go RV shopping often. Try an RV show (Tampa and Hershey are too big ones!). Watch tours on Youtube . Rent an RV on Outdoorsy to test the lifestyle. The more RVs you see in person, the easier your decision will be.

If you’d like to read more about our experience in our Class C motorhome vs. our Class A motorhome, you can read that here .

Trying to learn more before you buy an RV? Read this post on 3 HUGE Factors to Consider Before Picking your RV .

Ready to buy a used RV? Here are  11 Questions to Ask Before Buying A Used RV .

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The Teardrop units from T@b have air conditioning (some models A/C is an option) and some have indoor kitchenettes and wet bathrooms (toilet / shower combo unit).

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I have been doing a lot of research while trying to decide what to buy. I have read all kinds of things good and bad. One thing that i keep coming back to is this. Someone said for a woman traveling alone, a travel trailer is a bad idea because you have to get out of it in order to hook up and that it is essentially safer to have a motor home. But I want a small travel trailer so I can use my Honda Pilot to tow it. I think I would rather rely on my Honda engine, not sure I want to worry about a motorhome engine. What’s your take on this?

FYI I’m looking at a Casita.

I think making decisions based on fear of what might possibly happen one day is a good way to live a boring life. People love talking about when RVs catch fire or crash or get stolen, but that’s so rare and it’s such a waste of energy to worry about it. If you want a Casita, go for it! I know other solo female travelers who have been in casitas. They’re cute little rigs!

Do whatever feels right for you. In all our years of RVing, we’ve never once parked the RV somewhere we genuinely felt unsafe or alarmed by other people. I have worried about bears tearing off the door and eating me alive though. That seems way more likely to me than being attacked by men.

LOL! I’m scared as hell of bears! When I read about the possible dangers, my first instinct was to dismiss it, thinking it couldn’t possibly be any different than just living everyday in the “real” world. I would think the norm would apply: ie always be aware of your surroundings and don’t do anything stupid. At least that has always been my motto. Thanks for the advice. I was doubting myself there for a while!

Yep always be aware and you will be fine 🙂

Hey – I’ve been reading through your site a lot and everything you guys have to say has been so helpful! My boyfriend and I are really starting to plan to start RV-ing full time but honestly keep going back and forth between what we want/what will be best for us. We’re both nurses so we’ll be traveling every few months (usually an assignment is 13 weeks long) and trying to go with the weather for the most part, but we have 2 dogs coming with us as well. As of now, we have no vehicle to haul a 5th wheel with (which ideally I think would fit us best), but we’re stuck trying to figure out if trading in one of our cars for a big truck would be worth it in the end for a typically less expensive, but bigger RV. Any input/advice for us? Thanks so much! You guys rock!

It sounds like a fifth wheel or TT would be good for y’all! And you can get a used one of those for a really good price. I would do what our friends Kevin and Mandy did and get a good truck (because you don’t want that breaking down!) and getting a used fiver that you can fix up and make homey. You can see their set up at 188sqft.com and they have four pets with them on the road!

This was really helpful information! Thank you for putting it together.

I know a college age girl who worked as a raft guide one summer, and lived in a pop up trailer quite comfortably. A correction is needed here – these pop-ups don’t sleep 1-2; many can sleep 6+ and have fold outs. Even the basic ones (which start at $7,000 or so new, and are easy to find used for much less) will sleep at least four.

I also met a couple that lived full-time in a 6′ by 12′ travel trailer, carrying their bikes in the back of their truck. They were minimalist in their footprint, kept their trailer impeccably clean and it seemed huge. They bought it for $900, rebuilt it (including wood cabinetry, and it seemed magical.

One thing to consider with a pop up is that some campgrounds in bear country will not allow pop ups for obvious reasons(bears can tear them up looking for food)

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I had didn’t know that all fifth wheels have kitchen tables with four chairs. That could really save me a ton of money and time. I would have no need to look for my own chairs. https://rvfurniture.com/product-category/chairs/

It really helped when you talked about different types of RVs and their features. Recently, my dad mentioned he’s interested in purchasing an RV. He found an RV dealer with excellent prices, but he’d need to get it transported from a few states away. In the meanwhile, I’ll be sure to share this article with my dad, so he’ll choose an RV that better fits his needs. Thanks!https://intransportllc.com/

My uncle has been thinking about buying a fifth wheel because he would really like a nice way to travel. He would really like to pick the right RV with the help of a professional to make sure that it fits better. I’ll be sure to tell him about how fifth wheels have the best design with an electric fireplace, recliners, A/C units, kitchen, island, and chairs. http://www.bradstrailer.com

I appreciated it when you shared that truck camper are usually smaller and more lightweight than trailers. Besides, you need to own a truck or a large SUV to utilize it. I would like to think if someone needs to go on a camping trip for a short period of time, he should consider getting a truck camper from a reliable supplier. https://bundutecusa.com/truck-campers/

Thanks for explaining the different classes of motorhomes. My cousin wants to get one, so it would help for her to know her options. Maybe she should also look into motor home maintenance and even inspections to ensure she can keep the one she gets in good condition. https://roroandt.com/rv-inspection-process

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Best Motorhome Brands: Which One Is Right for You?

When it comes to finding the best motorhome brands, there are a lot of different factors to consider. Do you want something luxurious or more budget-friendly? What size do you need? How often will you be using it? And so on.

There are dozens of brands and manufacturers, and some have been around for decades, while others are relatively new to the market. 

They all have different standards, prices, designs, and additional features, so how do you decide which ones are the best motorhome brands? 

In this blog post, we'll take a look at what makes one brand stand out form the rest, and include a comparison overview of some of the leading name sin the industry.

Of course, we've included an FAQ section, so you should be fully equipped to understand which are some of the best motorhome brands on the market and help you decide which one is right for you. 

Motorhome vs Travel Trailer: The Complete Comparison Guide for RV Owners

The winding mountain passes, and endless horizons call to you. Another sweeping vista leaves you awestruck. A steep trail tempts your sense of adventure. The freedom of the open road continues to beckon – but is your current RV holding you back?

As a travel trailer owner, do you sometimes feel limited by towing capacity, storage space, or lack of amenities? Naturally, no RV is perfect. But perhaps your needs have evolved over time and outgrown the trailer you once adored.

Upgrading to a motorhome opens up an exciting new world of possibilities. There’s no shame in seeking more from your RVing lifestyle.

This guide will help you weigh the pros and cons of sticking with a trailer versus leveling up to a motorhome. We’ll explore key differences, benefits, costs, and important factors to consider. Let’s hit the road!

Motorhomes Vs. Trailers: Key Differences to Understand

Before comparing the pros and cons, it’s essential to understand what distinguishes these two recreational vehicle types. Clarity on the core features and purposes of each will provide the knowledge needed to make an informed decision. After all, a motorhome and a trailer are two entirely different animals. You wouldn’t want to compare apples to oranges, would you?

What Exactly is a Motorhome?

Motorhomes combine transportation and habitation into one self-contained vehicle. An integrated engine allows you to effortlessly drive your home on wheels wherever impulse takes you. There is no need for a tow vehicle or unhitching.

Motorhomes typically fall into three main classes:

Class A – The largest type, constructed on a heavy-duty bus chassis. Class A motorhomes feature spacious, luxury accommodations.

Class B – Also called camper vans. These nimble RVs have converted vans with raised roofs to allow standing. Tighter quarters but excellent maneuverability.

Class C – Built on a truck chassis with an attached cabover sleeping space. A happy medium offering good space and easier handling.

In addition to the living area, motorhomes contain a fully equipped kitchen, bathroom, bedrooms, seating, and entertainment space. The all-in-one convenience provides freedom and flexibility unmatched by any other RV type.

Note that almost any larger vehicle can be converted into a motorhome , so there are plenty of options.

How Do Travel Trailers Differ?

Travel trailers offer a towable alternative to motorhomes. Lightweight construction and compact floor plans improve fuel efficiency when hitched to an SUV or pickup truck. Without a built-in engine, trailers must rely on your tow vehicle to reach their destinations.

However, no mechanical components means trailers provide a smaller, more affordable option. While motorhomes aim to inhabit the journey itself, travel trailers prioritize comfortability once parked at your vacation spot. Two different RVing styles and goals.

Still, travel trailers offer all your basic amenities. You’ll find sleeping quarters, kitchenettes, seating dinettes, and some basic amenities. Bathrooms may be compact wet baths. Storage space is more limited. But the focused purpose results in budget-friendly prices for RVing.

Comparing Interior Layouts

An important difference to consider is how the living space is configured in each type of RV. As you evaluate upgrades, pay attention to standard floorplan options and decide what works best for your needs. However, you can always build a custom floor plan that meets your needs.

Motorhome Floor Plan Considerations

Class A motorhomes offer the most spacious floorplans, some over 40 feet long. Multiple slide-outs and separated rooms provide a true residential feel. Choose from master suites, walk-in closets, full bathrooms with showers, and residential appliances.

Class B camper vans sacrifice square footage for maneuverability. Floorplans creatively convert seating to beds and integrate space-saving bathrooms. The intimate layouts limit occupancy to 2-4 people.

Class C motorhomes balance livability and convenience. Floor Plans include cabover beds, sleeping areas, kitchens, and convertible dinettes. Bathrooms are compact. Overall, it is a happy medium suitable for families.

Travel Trailer Floorplans

Travel trailers range tremendously in size from small 10-foot trailers to expansive fifth-wheel suites. Bunkhouse models work well for families with kids, while couples may opt for just a master bedroom.

Kitchenettes include a fridge, stove, and sink with dinette seating nearby. Wet baths, which combine shower and toilet into one, are most common, but some floor plans have separate baths. The iconic Teardrop trailers (referring to their shape) allocate interior space efficiently with compact kitchens in the back and sleeping areas in front.

Consider your needs and research different trailer floorplans. Whether you desire two beds or 4, a trailer offers options on a budget; you should choose the layout that best suits your needs.

The Benefits of a Motorhome

It’s only natural to feel hesitant about change. Your trusted trailer still holds wonderful memories. But reminiscing about the “good old days” can prevent us from moving forward. Weigh the motorhome benefits below to see if your needs could be better fulfilled:

More Possibilities for Spontaneous Travel

Many RVers crave more freedom but feel limited by towing capacity or the need to reserve campsites. That’s where our first advantage point for motorhomes comes in. Owners can stop on a whim when something catches their eye. No need to unhitch or even find a designated area. Just pull over and relax like you would in any other vehicle.

Traveling in a motorhome means your home’s facilities are always onboard. Hungry? Whip up a snack without unhitching the trailer. Tired? Pull into a rest stop and nap in the bedroom. Need a bathroom? Use your own anytime. Play cards or watch a movie together while on the road. It simplifies travel tremendously.

With a motorhome, you have the flexibility to chase adventure wherever the open road leads. No strings attached. Just drive to create your own journey.

Liberation from the Hassles of Towing

Ask many RVers, and they’ll tell you a properly weighted motorhome drives much more easily than towing a trailer. That’s because motorhomes drive more like a car, while towing requires a different set of skills (Ever see a semi-truck driver reverse?). Making tight turns, changing lanes, and backing into sites are all simpler without a hitch pivot point.

You can also breathe easy without sway concerns that accompany trailers, especially at higher speeds or in windy conditions. And you don’t need to slowly creep along highways while other traffic zips past. Motorhomes make comfortable cruising speeds attainable again. Just load up and drive safely to your destination.

No more stressful white-knuckle driving or damage risks from exceeding your tow capacity. Just you, the horizon, and the welcoming road ahead.

Opportunity to Explore More Boondocking Locations

Do you enjoy getting off the grid but find trailer limitations restrict your options? It’s true; when you want to stop somewhere with a trailer, you must consider clearance to unhitch and a trailer-friendly parking space.

A motorhome’s exceptional maneuverability allows you to wind through remote areas inaccessible before. Narrow forest service roads. Secluded beaches. Quaint towns with tricky parking. Wherever your heart desires! No more avoiding picturesque areas due to trailer length restrictions or backing challenges.

With sufficient ground clearance, you can camp at unimproved sites lacking hookups. Your motorhome contains everything needed for comfortable off-grid stays. It makes it easy to wander freely and boondock to reconnect with nature.

Avoid the Burden of Towing a Second Vehicle

We all know how much of a nuisance it is to tow a vehicle along with a trailer. Repeatedly hitching, unhitching, and reparking the car wastes valuable playtime. Plus, it adds potential for accidents or damage.

With a motorhome, simplify travels down to one powered vehicle. No need to haul extra weight and complications. Plus, adding a second vehicle might mean buying a new one outright if you don’t already own one.

More Comfort for Passengers and Pets

For family travelers, children, and elderly passengers stay safer and more comfortable in motorhome seats than constantly belted into a tow vehicle. Pets also benefit from room to move about instead of getting frequently crated.

A motorhome allows everyone to stretch out and relax. Play games together at the dinette. Take a nap on the sofa. Grab water from the fridge. Use the bathroom anytime. Your home’s amenities and comforts are always within reach on the road.

Motorhome Perks for Different RVing Lifestyles

The next step in our motorhome vs. trailer debate involves considering your lifestyle. Not everyone requires the same features from their recreational vehicle. Maybe you only plan to camp once yearly at your favorite spot. Or maybe you want to travel full-time and never look back.

After reflecting on your travel priorities, you may find a motorhome better fulfills the following:

Full-Time RV Living

A motorhome provides residential space and storage capacity for full-time occupancy. Slide-outs create expansive living areas, and larger models boast separate bedrooms and multiple bathrooms.

Enjoy home amenities like laundry, entertainment centers, and plenty of kitchen space. Set up your motorhome homestead anywhere for months on end and live comfortably without the need for hotels or reservations.

Extended Travel

Speaking of which, wandering for weeks across the country is simpler when you don’t need lodging each night. Skip the hefty hotel fees, lengthy research, and troublesome reservations. Just drive to a new location whenever desired with your comfortable home rolling right along with you!

No more packing, hauling luggage, or constantly breaking down camp either. Wake up, brew some coffee, and hit the road rejuvenated. A motorhome allows you to focus on people, not logistics, during extended stays anywhere.

Frequent Weekend Getaways

With a motorhome, last-minute trips are a breeze! You won’t need to constantly spend time hitching up or packing prep. Simply toss in some clothes and food and immediately zip off. Spontaneity is the best spice for mini vacations!

Even quick day trips become more feasible without repeatedly hooking up your trailer to come and go. The convenience removes obstacles to getting away more often.

Important Things to Consider Before Upgrading

Now that you’re well-informed let’s close out with a few things you can write down or ponder as you plan a motorhome upgrade. While the benefits sound enticing, change also warrants pragmatic consideration.

Upfront Costs and Ongoing Expenses

There’s no skirting around the fact motorhomes require a hefty upfront investment. Look realistically at new and used pricing in your desired class.

While motorhomes simplify travel logistics, the upgrade also impacts your finances long-term. Weigh the costs and value for your individual situation. Will splurging now on convenience limit future funds for adventures? Or does it offer benefits that align with your savings? Here are some costs to consider:

Upfront Costs – Motorhomes have higher base prices . But, travel trailers still require an adequate tow vehicle. Consider total costs when starting from scratch.

Fuel Efficiency – Low mileage for motorhomes. But trailers reduce capacity and gas mileage for your tow rig. Fuel costs depend on the total miles driven.

Insurance – Motorhomes cost more to insure than trailers. Yet, you need policies for both trailer and tow vehicles, so determine total insurance costs.

Maintenance – More mechanical systems mean pricier motorhome maintenance. Repairs for truck vs SUV tow vehicles vary greatly, so assess your total maintenance obligations. Make sure to find an expert RV maintenance service in your area!

Camping Costs – Both allow boondocking to reduce site fees. But more amenities and higher capacity in a motorhome may encourage pricier camping.

Make a thorough cost comparison when budgeting for an upgrade. While motorhomes require greater upfront investment, benefits like simplified travel logistics can pay off long-term.

Finding the Ideal Floorplan

Once you select a motorhome class, take plenty of time to carefully assess different floorplans. Weigh your needs versus wants. Ask yourself:

• How many slide-outs are necessary?
• Do you require separate bedroom suites?
• What about laundry facilities?
• How much living and storage space is truly needed?
• What is the quality of construction materials and workmanship?

Comparison shop until your perfect new or used motorhome is found. Never settle out of impatience – this is your home! Wait for the right fit.

Where Will You Park and Store It?

Measure your garage, driveway, or storage space beforehand to ensure adequate room. If storing for months, evaluate winterizing logistics and security requirements. Storage facilities can usually accommodate motorhomes but always measure.

If downsizing due to limited space, consider a nimbler Class B camper van. While your new home is on wheels, practical factors like where to keep it still apply. Make sure parking and storage needs align.

Get Comfortable Handling a Larger Vehicle

Finally, test driving is a must before upgrading! Seek professional training on properly maneuvering and reversing your anticipated motorhome class. Take your time getting comfortable behind the wheel.

Consider starting with a compact Class C if you’re accustomed to a trailer. Ease into the transition before attempting a 40-foot Class A bus. Patience and practice are key. Soon, that initial fear will become confidence.

Let the Adventures Begin!

If your needs align better with a motorhome’s convenience after weighing options, then start getting excited! You are officially ready to trade limitations for liberation. There are countless floor plans and features to explore when you upgrade.

At Leisure Coachworks, we specialize in motorhome upgrades and remodeling. Our experienced team helps owners transform ordinary recreational vehicles into the motorhome of their dreams. From minor renovations to complete custom luxury conversions, we handle upgrades both big and small.

Contact us today for more information!

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Skoolie vs RV: A Head to Head Comparison

There are many differences between a skoolie vs RV. In this article, we will go over the pros and cons of a skoolie vs RV.   You have been probably considering doing a skoolie build, but want to make sure it is the right path compared to just buying an RV. Or, maybe you are looking up a resource to send to someone else questioning why you would go through all the work to build a skoolie. The purpose of this guide is to help you understand the differences between buying an RV and building a skoolie so that you can see the pros and cons to make a decision of which path to go.  (Also, so you can send people a link to this article if they ask why you chose to build a skoolie over an RV.) 😉

Skoolie vs RV: Let Me Be Clear

First, I want to point out that there is a clear difference between an RV bought right from the dealer and someone who is buying a used RV to renovate into a custom build. Although some of the items in this article still apply to those renovated units, we are going to focus on someone purchasing an RV to someone who buys a raw bus and builds a custom skoolie. I want to also take a minute to point out that I am in no way ragging about buying an RV. I think there is a definite place in the market for RVs. We do see the value in wanting to just buy a ready-to-use item for many people. Both come with sacrifices.  Manufacturers, distributors, dealers, etc. all need to make a profit so you will often get lower quality than what you can do with the same money in a skoolie build.  However, in a skoolie build you will sacrifice a significant amount of time doing a DIY build or spend way more money than an RV if you hire out the labor. There are definitely some people who should not be building skoolies and should just go buy an RV and get traveling right away – save the headache. However, there are many people who are crafty, love to learn, and want to take on the challenge of a skoolie build to have the added benefits of saving money and traveling in something they know every inch like the back of their hand. To each their own. Our hope is to stay as unbiased as possible with this guide. As such, we will rag on the negatives and highlight the positives of each type of motorhome alike.

What is the Difference Between a Skoolie and an RV?

A skoolie is custom built from the layout down to the type of wood, screws, and paint to use allowing to select the quality and style of every detail. RVs are mass-produced at an assembly warehouse in only a few different configurations per model. There are also significant differences in cost, financing options, durability, and community.

One of the ways I like to explain the difference between a skoolie and an RV is this: Skoolie’s are the Harley-Davidson of the motorhome world, whereas mass-produced RVs are more like Hondas. Not into motorcycles? Skoolie’s are the custom-built home by the owner, whereas mass-produced RVs are more like park model homes. Don’t get me wrong – some RVs can be REALLY nice! And I mean better than some homes – at first. Buy one of those and drive that thing around for a few years and you will be in the same situation as most of the used RVs you can tour at Camping World. The air vents are bent, walls delaminating, electrical issues due to issues in assembly that finally wiggles loose, a mattress that is now more like a smushed pancake, and a funky, musty smell that seems to linger… All on top of a 10 year loan you are still working to pay off.  With a skoolie, you can definitely have the same issues (or worse) depending on your craftsmanship if you are going the DIY route or the quality of the contractors you hire. However, in most cases you can come out with a better quality motorhome for a fraction of the cost of a store/dealer bought RV that will last two to three times as long if done right.  However, a skoolie build is a PROJECT, which “project” is sort of an understatement. Our skoolie took about 2.5 years to get to where we felt somewhat “done” even though we still have projects. We have also redone most things 2-3 times, so there is some added cost and waste – but we still saved money on a much higher quality of build overall compared to buying something comparable. With that brief overview out of the way, let’s dive deeper into the significant differences between a skoolie vs RV.

There are certain regulations a school bus has to pass in order to manufacture them and there are also certain regulations an RV has to pass before manufacturing them. Let’s go through what each of these structures is made of.

School Buses:

On a surface level, it seems school buses are made safe as they are made to safely carry children from point A to point B  without  seat belts. School buses are essentially built like roll cages this way. But what makes them  so safe?  While there are many different types of school buses, school buses are made almost always the same, out of galvanized steel and molded steel hat channels. The molded steel hat channels then have another layer of galvanized steel on top of them, creating double thick steel walls and ceiling. Having these hat channels every 28-32″ in the walls and along the ceiling mimics the features of a roll cage, making it very safe. Did you know school buses are the most regulated vehicle on the road? So yes, school buses are  literally  designed to keep passengers safe. However, school buses are not made with airbags as the seats in them were made as “airbags” preventing passengers from flying forward in case of an accident. If you are thinking, well once you take the seats out, that changes the whole integrity of the bus, keep reading. Remember that school buses are built like a roll cage in case an accident were to happen. But if you decide to convert a school bus, you must install seatbelts for everyone who will be traveling in it. Many people will mount seatbelts in the couch area and/or dinette area so others can travel safely when driving. Others even mount a van seat to the floor just behind the driver seat to make sure there’s seating with seat belts (especially for the kids). Just make sure you mount them to the ribs (hat channels) so the seat belts are sturdy and secure.

As with skoolies, there are many different types of RVs. Depending on the RV class rating (A, B, or C) they may not even be needed to get checked for safety before manufacturing. Let’s dive into the different RV classes and the different safety features needed between them.

• Class As – Class A motorhomes are the large buses you see driving down the highway. In case of a collision, these have seat belts installed but no airbags. The driver and the passenger are also very close to the windshield and with you sitting in front of the front wheels, there isn’t much space between you and whatever you are getting into an accident with.
• Class Bs – These are the classic campervans and are generally the safest of the 3 different classes when it comes to being in an accident. These types of motorhomes have usually undergone what any other normal vehicle would undergo with safety measures and most likely come with airbags and definitely two seat belts for the front seats.
• Class Cs – You can think of class C motorhomes in a way that the front part is almost separate from the back part. The front part has been crashed tested and does include airbags. But if an accident is to occur, the back half could get totaled. To stay safe in class C RVs, make sure you are seated and buckled in when driving.

Safety is important to all of us. Whether you want a skoolie vs RV, safety is an important thing to think about. Always be sure to wear seatbelts and to have everyone stay seated when the vehicle is in motion. If you are looking for something that is very safe, remember that school buses are the most regulated vehicle on the road.

#2 Community

A ton of people are living in RVs from military families to retired couples to families just looking to travel more. There are an estimated 25 million people traveling in RVs in the United States alone, which includes people traveling in school bus conversions. In the past 4 years, skoolies have become increasingly popular and the industry has grown by over 400%. When we started our skoolie journey, there were a few people living in buses and it seemed as if there was such a community surrounded by it. We saw a lot of skoolie meetups from Skooliepalooza to Skoolie Swarm and much more. People coming together that share the same values of living with less and truly living. People have been living in buses since the 60s-70s, this definitely isn’t a new trend. But RV life also has a large community around it. Whether you decide to convert a skoolie or buy an RV, there will definitely be a community that you will fit in with.

#3 Custom Built

With skoolies, you are essentially custom building everything! From the thickness and type of insulation you use to where you want natural light to the types of finishing materials used and even the paint colors. With RVs, you are subject to what you are buying. What you see is what you get. This includes the kitchen cabinet colors, the countertops, the way the shower is done, the way the toilet is plumbed, but most importantly, the layout. If you want a complete custom build and are DIY savvy, you would probably be more interested in a skoolie build. If you don’t mind about it being custom built and just want to hit the road, you may be happy with an RV. Most people choose a skoolie to convert as a DIY project and to have it custom built to fit them and their families. While ripping out and doing a DIY project here and there in an RV is certainly possible, it may still be more custom to do a skoolie build. After thinking about this, let’s jump into the next comparison.

#4 DIY or Not?

This could arguably be the most important question. A skoolie build is not for the faint of heart. It requires a lot of hard work and determination. You are working with a rounded ceiling and bare metal, just a unique structure overall.  An RV is a lot simpler. You can simply go to a dealership and purchase it. They will give you a rundown of how everything works and you can get all your questions answered. They will usually help you if you run into any issues down the road,  literally and figuratively.  You are simply on your own with a skoolie. If your electricity goes out, you have to problem solve and fix it. 90% of the time the skoolie owner does the electrical system (the other 10% being if you hire it out) and you have to know how it all works to diagnose problems down the road should you ever have to.  Ultimately, do you just want to get in and camp already? Or are you looking to test your skills, jump into a DIY project with determination to finish it, and then be able to enjoy your hard work? 

#5 Full Time vs “Weekender”

Another big option to consider when choosing a skoolie or RV is how you want to be using the space. While I have mentioned you can get anything you want in a skoolie in the above comparisons, you are subject to what a manufacturer includes in an RV. Meaning the cabinetry selected, the type of shower they used, how much insulation is in the RV. All of these things you can’t control and you essentially get what you get. This begs the question of will you be living in it full time or are you looking for a vehicle to get a few months road trip?  RVs are made more for the weekenders or part-timers, which is why they make the cabinets out of paper covered MDF or fiberboard. Since they make them for this reason, RVs are not meant to last forever, but if things do end up falling apart, you can always update and do some DIY projects! Of course, like with houses or anything else, you will have to update things as they need it, yes even skoolies! But building it the way you want and choosing the best materials will help to make it last longer, which is perfect for full-time living. 

#6 Storage Space

There are tons and tons of storage space ideas for skoolies. Check out our post  here about interior skoolie storage ideas . If you are looking to live in it full time, space is valuable real estate. You can’t afford to waste much space without utilizing it uniquely somehow, especially when living in it full time.  RVs usually utilize a good amount of space, including outdoor underneath storage space as well as a nice closet space. But there are a lot of spots that could be utilized for storage that are not in RVs, like underneath the dinette seats and underneath the bed.  With a skoolie you can make almost any spot a good storage space. Common storage space savers are under couch storage, under bed storage, floor storage, tons of kitchen storage, front dash storage, and any bathroom storage you can sneak in.  Do you want a couple good storage options? Then you may be fine with an RV. Do you want every storage option to be custom built and really outfit with your own style? If yes, then a skoolie may be the one to choose.

#7 Off Grid vs On Grid

The electrical system is another big debate on skoolie vs RV in terms of do you want to be able to go off grid?  RVs are made to be plugged into the grid in order to use anything in the RV, like the air conditioner, fireplace, or TV. All of these things draw a lot of power. In order to run these, the RV needs to be plugged into the grid. RVs usually come with somewhere between 80-200 amp hours in their batteries. A typical battery in an RV is a lead-acid battery. Lead-acid batteries should only discharge half of their amp hours to keep the battery in top shape. If you discharge a lead-acid battery more than 50% of its capacity, the battery life will greatly decrease. This means RVs come with 40-100 amp hours of usable power. That is not a lot of juice, so you will be dependent on plugging into the grid when buying an RV. Skoolies owners typically build out their bus to be fully off-grid because that’s what most people want to use it for, and be able to park on BLM land for as long as possible. An average battery capacity for a skoolie owner is 200-800 amp hours with 300-400 amp hours being most common. Most skoolie owners invest in lithium (LiFePO4) batteries. With lithium batteries, you can discharge them 90-100% so you get to use all of the amp hours, unlike using only half with lead-acid.  With having around 300-400 amp hours and solar panels to charge your batteries, skoolies can live completely off-grid for an indefinite amount of time.

#8 Black Water vs Grey Water

Another big debate when choosing a skoolie vs RV is the toilet and plumbing situation. Black water is defined as waste water from toilets that contains human waste. Grey water is defined as relatively clean waste water from baths and sinks.  With skoolies, there are multiple different options for toilets. Read our  skoolie toilet options article here . The most popular option is a composting toilet for skoolie owners. This leaves you with a self-contained toilet and therefore, a grey water tank only. With RVs, a toilet is already installed so this leaves you carrying around a black water tank. Some RVs come with a black water tank (toilet) and grey water tank (shower and sink). Black water tanks require a bit more maintenance and have to be emptied  carefully  at sanitary dump stations. Before choosing a skoolie or RV, think about the life you want to live with the skoolie or RV and how many times you really want to be emptying your black/grey tanks. You will want to be emptying a black water tank a lot more than a grey water tank even at the same capacity due to the smell it can put off. 

#9 The Size

The size of skoolies and RVs are comparable and lucky for all of us, both are offered at different size ranges. So no matter if you choose a skoolie or RV, you can still choose your size. Skoolies come in a range of sizes from 20ft (short buses) – 40ft (full-size buses). RVs also come in a range of sizes, depending on if you are looking at class A or class C motorhomes. Class A motorhomes are typically 30-40 ft while class C motorhomes are the smaller ones at about 20-25 ft. Fifth wheels and travel trailers are usually 32, 34, or 36ft. This comparison ultimately depends on how small or large you want your space to be, both inside and outside. Are you wanting to have lots of guests, will it just be you and your significant other, or are you traveling with your children? Some other things to think about when thinking bout the size of the skoolie or RV is the interior space from driver to seat to the back. How much space will you have on the inside? Enough for a dining space and a hangout space or are you okay with just having one? The exterior size bumper to bumper will tell you where you can go, like what camping spots are available for a 36′ RV, can I go into national parks, etc? This one is important, because if you are trying to visit lots of national parks or stay at a lot of campsites, a smaller vehicle may fit your needs better. Each national park has restrictions on what size RV can enter anywhere from 23 ft – 50 ft with the average length of the RV being around 30ft. However, if you are looking for to be off grid and stay on BLM land, a longer skoolie or RV might be better. Ultimately, think about how you want to use your skoolie or RV. Where will you stay, what restrictions are there on the size and length, and will there be enough room for everyone in the skoolie or RV?

#10 Cost: Pay as You Go or Finance

This may be the last comparison, but it is certainly one of the most important things to think about. How will you pay for your skoolie or RV? Converting a skoolie is certainly a pay-as-you-go type of deal. There are no financing options available for converting a skoolie. Many banks won’t support you building out a vehicle to live in. Check out our  skoolie cost article here  to break down the cost of converting a school bus into a tiny home. But there is financing available for RVs. From the tools needed to gut the bus and rebuild it to the trips to the hardware store for lumber and random essentials to all of the finishing materials, all of this money in a skoolie build is up front. It can definitely seem expensive at first but once you look at the bigger picture, you might just see that building out a skoolie can be cheaper than RVs. Unlikes skoolies, there are financing options available for buying an RV. The base price could be about the same price as your skoolie, usually a little more, but with financing you will be paying way more than that with interest. Of course, if the money is available, you can certainly buy an RV with cash. Depending on your financial situation, a skoolie or RV could be better for you. There’s what to consider when choosing between a skoolie vs RV. Each have their perks and each have their downsides. Ultimately, it comes down to if you want a custom build or if you want to buy one finished. Of course, there are skoolies you can buy finished and there are RVs that have been updated for sale. Based on these reasons, we hope you have found out if a skoolie or RV fits your lifestyle more.  Let us know in the comments if a skoolie fits your lifestyle more or if an RV does! 

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15 Luxury Motorhomes: Comparing Top-end RV Models

Luxury motorhomes take the concept of mobile living to the next level . They provide all the comforts of home while allowing you to explore the great outdoors in style. In this article, we will compare 15 top-end RV models that truly stand out in terms of design, features, and performance. Get ready to hit the road in style with these impressive luxury motorhomes!

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1. Newmar King Aire

• Base Price: $1,100,000
• Length: 44′ 11″

The Newmar King Aire is a luxury motorhome that combines style, sophistication, and power. It boasts a sleek exterior design, with custom paint options and chrome accents. Inside, the King Aire is a true palace on wheels, with high-end furnishings, LED lighting, and an impressive entertainment system.

Notable features include:

• A 605 HP Cummins diesel engine
• A spacious master suite with a king-size bed
• A fully-equipped gourmet kitchen
• An outdoor entertainment center with a 40″ TV

This motorhome provides a truly unparalleled travel experience for those who demand the best.

2. Prevost H3-45 VIP

• Base Price: $2,000,000
• Length: 45′

The Prevost H3-45 VIP is a stunning display of luxury and craftsmanship. Its sleek exterior features frameless windows and a streamlined design, while the interior offers a lavish living space with top-quality materials and finishes.

Key features include:

• A 500 HP Volvo D13 diesel engine
• Spacious floorplans with customizable layouts
• A high-end kitchen with premium appliances
• A state-of-the-art entertainment system

This RV is perfect for those who want to travel in unrivaled comfort and elegance.

3. Foretravel Realm FS6

• Base Price: $1,200,000

The Foretravel Realm FS6 is a beautifully designed luxury motorhome with an exceptional level of craftsmanship. It offers a variety of floorplans, allowing you to create the perfect space for your travels.

Noteworthy features include:

• An opulent master suite with a king-size bed
• A residential-style kitchen with top-of-the-line appliances
• A spa-like bathroom with a large shower

The Realm FS6 is a fantastic choice for those who value both luxury and performance.

Take a look at our article on: Class A vs Class C RV: What’s the Best Choice for Your Travel Needs?

4. Tiffin Motorhomes Zephyr

• Base Price: $740,000

The Tiffin Motorhomes Zephyr is a luxury motorhome that offers both style and substance. Its elegant design is complemented by a range of high-quality features and amenities that ensure a comfortable travel experience.

• A spacious living area with high-end furniture
• A fully-equipped kitchen with premium appliances
• A lavish master suite with a king-size bed

The Zephyr is an excellent option for those seeking a luxurious and reliable motorhome.

5. Marathon Coach 1303

• Base Price: $2,200,000

The Marathon Coach #1303 is a top-of-the-line luxury motorhome that combines exceptional design and craftsmanship. Its striking exterior and lavish interior create a unique, high-end travel experience.

• A spacious living area with designer furniture
• A gourmet kitchen with top-quality appliances
• A luxurious master suite with a king-size bed

The Marathon Coach #1303 is perfect for those who demand the finest in luxury motorhome living.

Each of these luxury motorhomes offers a unique combination of style, comfort, and performance. No matter which one you choose, you’ll be hitting the road in the lap of luxury. Happy travels!

6. Entegra Coach Cornerstone

• Base Price: $629,000

The Entegra Coach Cornerstone is a premium luxury motorhome that offers a comfortable and stylish travel experience. Its sophisticated design is matched by an array of high-quality features and amenities.

• A lavish living area with elegant furnishings
• A high-end kitchen with state-of-the-art appliances

The Cornerstone is an excellent choice for those seeking top-tier luxury and performance.

7. Winnebago Horizon

• Base Price: $385,000
• Length: 43′ 3″

The Winnebago Horizon is a modern luxury motorhome that offers a contemporary design and a range of upscale features. Its sleek exterior is complemented by a stylish, comfortable interior.

• A 450 HP Cummins diesel engine
• A spacious living area with high-quality furniture
• A cozy master suite with a queen-size bed

The Horizon is perfect for those who want a refined travel experience with a modern touch.

Check out this article: Best Small Class A Motorhomes Under 30 Feet

8. American Coach American Eagle

• Base Price: $695,000

The American Coach American Eagle is a luxurious motorhome that provides a sophisticated travel experience. Its elegant design is matched by an array of high-end features and amenities.

• A lavish living area with designer furniture
• A sumptuous master suite with a king-size bed

The American Eagle is ideal for those who appreciate elegance and refinement in their motorhome.

9. Liberty Coach Elegant Lady

• Base Price: $2,300,000

The Liberty Coach Elegant Lady is a top-of-the-line luxury motorhome that combines exceptional design and craftsmanship. Its eye-catching exterior and opulent interior provide a unique and sophisticated travel experience.

• A spacious living area with custom furniture

The Elegant Lady is perfect for those who demand the finest in luxury motorhome living.

10. Renegade Ikon

• Base Price: $735,000

The Renegade Ikon is a powerful luxury motorhome that offers a perfect blend of style and performance. Its sleek exterior design is complemented by a spacious and comfortable interior.

• A lavish living area with high-quality furnishings
• A fully-equipped kitchen with state-of-the-art appliances
• A cozy master suite with a king-size bed

The Ikon is an excellent choice for those seeking a luxurious motorhome with a focus on performance.

11. Thor Motor Coach Tuscany

• Base Price: $450,000

The Thor Motor Coach Tuscany is a stylish luxury motorhome that offers a comfortable and refined travel experience. Its elegant design is matched by an array of high-quality features and amenities.

• A spacious living area with upscale furniture

The Tuscany is ideal for those who appreciate sophistication and comfort in their motorhome.

12. Monaco Signature

• Base Price: $650,000
• Length: 44′

The Monaco Signature is a luxurious motorhome that offers a truly regal travel experience. Its striking exterior design is complemented by a lavish interior filled with upscale features and amenities.

• A grand living area with designer furniture

The Monaco Signature is perfect for those who seek a motorhome that combines luxury and style.

13. Newell Coach P50

The Newell Coach P50 is a top-of-the-line luxury motorhome that offers a one-of-a-kind travel experience. Its impressive exterior and lavish interior showcase exceptional design and craftsmanship.

The Newell Coach P50 is perfect for those who demand the finest in luxury motorhome living.

14. Fleetwood Discovery LXE

• Base Price: $360,000

The Fleetwood Discovery LXE is a sophisticated luxury motorhome that offers a comfortable and elegant travel experience. Its stylish design is complemented by a range of high-quality features and amenities.

• A 380 HP Cummins diesel engine
• A spacious living area with upscale furnishings

The Discovery LXE is an excellent choice for those seeking a refined motorhome with top-tier features.

15. Country Coach Magna

• Base Price: $600,000

The Country Coach Magna is a luxury motorhome that offers a blend of style, comfort, and performance. Its attractive exterior design is matched by an opulent interior filled with high-end features and amenities.

• A 600 HP Cummins diesel engine

The Country Coach Magna is perfect for those who appreciate luxury and refinement in their motorhome.

These luxury motorhomes offer a diverse range of features and styles, ensuring that there is something for everyone. Whether you prioritize performance, comfort, or design, there is a luxury motorhome on this list that will meet your needs.

Good luck, and happy camping!

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Bus Conversions: What You Need to Consider Before Buying a Bus

One type of RV that is becoming increasingly popular is the bus conversion RV. There are many positives to investing in a bus conversion. All you have to do is be willing to put in the work.

A bus converted RV can be designed to travel millions of miles if it is well maintained. These types of RVs also come with many built-in safety features that don’t have to be bought. One convenience that bus conversion owners will brag about is their load capacity. But what’s the biggest plus to a bus conversion? Many would say it’s turning something mundane into your ultimate dream home-on-wheels. You can make a bus conversion completely unique to you and your RV needs.

If you’re still undecided about converting a bus into an RV, here are some of the things you should take into consideration:

Choosing Your Bus

A bus conversion may be one of the most difficult renovations out there, but it’s also one of the most rewarding. Your converted bus will be one of your biggest investments. Therefore, there are many factors to consider both before and after the conversion.

Before the Bus Conversion

Once you purchase your bus, it’s a good idea to speak with an RV Insurance Specialist who is very familiar with what type of coverage your bus conversion requires. This is because bus conversions are often hard to define in the world of insurance. You’ll want to get a free quote at (800) 499-8943 to see how much it will cost to insure your converted RV. While many carriers do not cover these types of RVs, our knowledgeable agents know which carriers offer Specialty RV Insurance policies that meet the unique needs of bus conversion owners.

It’s important to insure your bus right away, even if you don’t plan to take a long trip until it’s fully renovated. If there is any kind of physical damage, vandalism or theft, you will be at a complete loss without the proper insurance. Remember, Liability Insurance alone may be cheaper, but Comprehensive Insurance covers physical damage if something happens to your RV while you’re renovating.

Older Bus Conversions

Do you dream of having a huge bus, maybe even a tour bus, for your camping adventures? Many people renovate old buses and turn them into unique and luxurious RVs. However, you should have it inspected by a mechanic if it’s 20 years or older. This will help ensure that the vehicle’s systems are up-to-date and working properly. Also, if you’re thinking of buying an older bus, know that they come under greater scrutiny by insurance companies. This may be something you want to take into consideration before purchasing.

School Bus Conversions

Yep, all the cool kids are doing it. It’s becoming very popular to buy a school bus and turn it into an RV. However, there are reasons that many RV Insurance companies try to avoid insuring converted school buses. One reason is that they have narrow axles. This causes the additional weight of a bus conversion to be top heavy. And that makes it more prone to rollovers. School bus conversions have a history of being the most accident-prone of the three bus conversion types. Therefore, it’s a good idea to keep safety in mind when renovating your school bus.

Are Bus Conversions More Expensive Than RVs?

Bus conversions are not necessarily more expensive than other types of RV remodels. Of course, if you buy a professionally renovated bus, it can cost you over $500,000. Many people opt to do their own bus conversions over buying an already renovated one for sale. Most professionally converted buses are done on an expensive chassis like the Prevost, GM, Eagle or MCI chassis.

Old Greyhound buses tend to be a little more affordable. If a bus conversion is done correctly and with savings in mind, it can much cost less than purchasing a new motorhome. Bus conversions can also have a longer life than your average trailer or fifth wheel, which last up to 25 years max—if you’re lucky. Some bus conversions are built upon buses dating back to the 1950s and run for several years.

Tips Before Doing My Own Bus Conversion

A bus conversion isn’t something you want to do on a whim or without a game plan. Start by flipping through a bus conversion magazine or pictures online to get a feel for what you want your bus to look like. Then, sketch some ideas and floor plans that are reasonable for your bus size and budget. Also, think about how you will be using your bus. Are you planning to live in it full-time , or is it a seasonal vacation home? All of these factors should be considered before any demolition begins.

As you start to sketch out your ideal floor plan, consider these questions first:

• How many people you need to fit (and sleep) in your bus?  You may need bunk beds to fit a family of four or more. Also determine which way you want the beds to face. You may even want a bed that can be hidden away when it’s not in use to create more space.
• Do you plan to boondock or dry camp without any amenities? Consider this when determining what type of power source and what size fresh-water tank makes sense for your adventures.
• Do you prefer a full bathroom? You may or may not want to add a toilet and shower to your bus conversion depending on your preferences. Keep in mind that some rest stops and campsites have these amenities available.
• What kind of kitchen will you require? Where can it go? Depending on where you want your kitchen to be, you’ll need to check for a place to install a black or grey tank and pipes. The same goes for your bathroom. Your plan can only work if the bus is set up to make it happen.

Electrical & Plumbing

• Do you have the expertise to do electrical work on your own? If not, we advise against it. First, estimate how much electricity you’ll need and where you want to place outlets and switches. Then, hire a professional RV technician to set up your electrical system. If you decide against hiring a professional, you could end up spending way more money trying to repair electrical damage done by an amateur. You might even destroy your bus if you don’t know what you’re doing.
• Do you have the expertise to do the plumbing on your own? After you figure out where your bathroom will be placed, you’ll need to set up a plumbing system. Again, if you’re not qualified to do this, we advise against doing it yourself. It’s best to invest a little more and hire a professional RV plumber to set up your water system.

It’s important to spend your money in the right places when converting a bus. Spending a little extra in places like electrical and plumbing will be worth it. Especially in comparison to paying hundreds of dollars in damages if you set these systems up yourself and something goes wrong. Keep in mind that there are many other areas in which you can also save money. You may decide to install more affordable upholstery, flooring or other decor to cut costs.

RV Insurance

We know that you made an investment in renovating your new home-on-wheels. You need to protect it with the right insurance. Once you decide what you need, it’s good to get a few quotes based on the value and usage of your RV. You may even qualify for Seasonal RV Insurance if you only plan to use your bus conversion a few months out of the year. Speak with a qualified and trustworthy Insurance Specialist at (800) 499-8943 to find out what your options are and to get your free quotes today.

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RV Bus Conversions – Yes, Old Buses Do Make Comfortable RVs!

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Though some were modest in design , others were a bit over the top , and yet others were as well laid out and well constructed as any professionally built rig on the road.

My interest in self-built motorhomes began when I was a teenager.  My father converted a 1955 Ford school bus into a motorhome for our family of 7.  He was a cabinet maker by trade, which provided the skills necessary to create a woodworking masterpiece.  His bus motorhome conversion was done entirely in black walnut.  The interior was phenomenal!

Converting a bus into an RV is a challenging project — whether you’re starting with a retired Greyhound coach or a school bus that’s been turned out to pasture.  Both can make excellent RVs, though generally the finished product will dictate the type of RVing you’ll be able to do.  So, you will want to choose your bus accordingly.

Go Anywhere… NOT

Greyhound buses require blacktop roads.

They quickly become helpless when faced with country back roads which are rarely maintained.

So it might be more difficult to get to your favorite fishing hole in a Greyhound RV bus conversion.

On the other hand, school buses are just about indestructible.  Heading down rough trails is what they did for years to pick up children living in rural neighborhoods and deliver them to school.

Appearance & Acceptance Issues

While a converted school bus can be just as elaborate and well done as any coach on the road, they’re still classified as less than desirable by some RV campgrounds.

Many of the larger RV resorts prefer a more standard style of RV.  As a result, those who pull up in converted school buses are often turned away.

Likewise, it’s not uncommon to find places that restrict RVs that are more than 10 years in age.  (I’ve seen this most often in the southwest regions of the country.)

A converted Greyhound bus, on the other hand, provides a comfortable ride with soft suspension, along with the added quietness that comes with having a rear engine.  Since the appearance of a Greyhound bus conversion more closely matches today’s luxury coaches, they are much more readily accepted just about anywhere they go.

Cost To Do The Conversion

Building an RV based on any type of bus is an expensive enough project that serious thought should be devoted to choosing your base vehicle.

The best advice would be to purchase the very best bus you can possibly afford.

School buses can be found for as little as $1,000.  However, be warned.  You may find these low-cost vehicles seriously corroded or badly in need of a mechanical overhaul.  Both are expensive problems that may sideline your project before it even gets started.  The same goes for highway coaches.  Cheap is not always the best option.

Shopping For A Bus To Convert Into An RV

Your best bet is to find a bus with an available maintenance history.  You want to have proof that such things as brakes, transmissions, etc. have been serviced or replaced recently.  This will help greatly in your decision-making process.

The reason?  Breakdowns will be very expensive.  The corner gas station wrecker can’t help you.  A heavy haul specialist will have to come and rescue you when you’re stalled along the road.  The cost for this can be in the very high hundreds of dollars for even a minor problem that requires towing.  Even changing a flat tire is beyond the capabilities of most individuals.

Find Buses To Convert

When you start shopping for a bus, forget about local sources.  Now’s the time to do some serious research on the Internet.

There a number of locations nationwide that sell used school buses .  There are also companies that specialize in used motorcoaches specifically with the purpose of converting them into RVs.

The only thing similar between the 2 is the word “bus: and the fact that they were constructed to transport people.  Structurally and mechanically speaking, they are 2 completely different animals.

Before You Begin Your RV Bus Conversion

Building your own coach from a bus can be a very satisfying and rewarding experience.

When it’s done, no one will know better than you how it’s put together.  This also makes repairs easier, if you’re a do-it-yourselfer.

Here are a few tips before you decide to begin your RV bus conversion:

• Choose wisely between a school bus platform and a highway coach platform.  They both have good and bad points.
• Buy the newest, best-maintained bus you can find within your budget.
• Maintenance records are like the Bible for your RV bus conversion.  The more you know about the bus you’re starting with, the easier your decision will be.
• Take lots of time planning a layout that will best suit your needs.
• Do the highest quality of workmanship you can.  Your RV bus conversion will be a sizable investment that, at some point in time, will be sold.  The higher the quality, the better the return.
• Fuel is going to be expensive in an RV bus.  You can expect to get between 6 to 8 miles per gallon.
• Check with your local authorities first.  Buses under construction in the backyard are something that many urban areas will not tolerate.  Check your local ordinances.
• Buying the bus is only a small part of the expense for your project.  A good RV bus conversion can cost as much as a late model Class A motorhome.

More About RV Bus Conversions

There are many resources on the Internet that can help you succeed

• Bus Conversions Magazine
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• The Bus Conversion Adventure
• RV Motorhome Conversion Info
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A Vintage Bus?!?

Jun 7, 2011 by Technomadia 27 Comments

It’s no secret that we are in the midst of a cross country hunt for a converted vintage bus to make our next technomadic home.

But… why?

And why vintage? Why on earth would we consider buying a vehicle potentially older than we are?

How did we go from living in a 17′ ultra-modern fiberglass egg to considering life in a 35′ steel box that might have originally hauled passengers in an era before the interstate?

The answers are simple – the nostalgia and uniqueness sounds like fun, pursuing something new (eer.. old?) is certainly exciting, and so far life in a vintage bus seems likely to be a surprisingly practical choice as well.

New Challenges

Our Oliver trailer was a great go-nearly-anywhere pod.  It was small and autonomous enough to go places that few other RVs would dare venture.

And we loved occasionally doing just that.  We grew proficient at camping on city streets to remote boondocking spots. From urban Walmarts to state parks. Whether months in a commercial RV park, or weeks without hookups  – we could thrive with it.

And we got good at it. So good that life on the road in our Oliver was starting to get too easy, and too routine. The negative sides of RVing were starting to show their edges.

We thought about taking on a substantial new challenge in the Oliver, such as heading into Mexico or even Central America. Or up to Alaska. But the more we thought about it, the more we realized that we were ready for something entirely new, and not just a new destination. We have discovered that we both enjoy changing up our physical home, as much as our view.

For a long while, we’ve contemplated live-aboard sailing. But it is more and more seeming like a huge challenge to take on at once, requiring a substantial bulk of our savings to get started and even more so to maintain. And it would be especially challenging to maintain connectivity and keep up our online careers as we adapted.

Sailing remains a future goal for us, but we have decided it’s something for the more far off future rather than sooner.

And after our winter in St. John, we’d also like to start having flexibility to explore future such adventures around the world while maintaining a mobile home base in the US.

More Space!

The Oliver also started to present other space issues for us. One thing we greatly miss about our previous stationary lives is entertaining, and the longer we’ve traveled the more folks we’ve met where it would have been nice to have space to host a card game, or offer crash space.  The kitchen space also became limiting, and we were craving more agility to let our culinary creativity expand.

Plus, we had a growing cat who wanted her own dedicated nap and play space.

We couldn’t deny it any longer – living in a micro-tiny space had grown old, and we want more space!

The Obvious Choice

The obvious choice, of course, would be to move into a larger RV.

When thinking about trailers – we just couldn’t see any reason to ever want one any larger than our previous Oliver. Besides, we had mastered trailer life – it’s time for something new!

A motorhome felt like a better next step. We looked at some of the smaller motorhomes currently on the market, and there are very limited options.

To put it bluntly, most traditional RV’s are… exceedingly underwhelming to us (no offense to our traditional motorhome living friends).

Most RV’s age poorly, often starting to literally fall apart at the seams within just a few years. It is rare to see an RV more than 10 years old that isn’t ready for the scrapyard. The quality usually just isn’t there – our Oliver was an exceedingly rare exception. We’ve been spoiled.  And let’s not even talk about the limited range of style available.

Most motorhomes are built to be as large and lumbering as they can be, yet on the smallest possible chassis. Many designs are overloaded (potentially illegally so) as soon as you fill the holding tanks and load up even minimal gear.

The higher quality motorhomes are priced well above our price threshold. While $125+k isn’t a bad price for a full time house, these RVs will depreciate upon driving off the lot. And it’s certainly more than we’re willing to pay for something we intend to park for 2-4  months a year as we travel abroad.

We want a home that is built to last. With solid bones to carry us. And which is packed with character, style, and grace that reflects our personalities. And we don’t want to tie up a huge portion of our cash in it.

There just wasn’t any way we’d find that on a regular RV lot.

A typical RV is designed to be used a few weeks or months a year, and driven only a few thousands of miles in that time. A bus on the other hand is engineered for constant commercial service – built to carry heavy loads of passengers and baggage, and to go millions of miles.

Buses, by definition, are built to last. And buses being used as RV’s are not being pushed anywhere close to their limits.

The ultra-high-end of the RV market has always used buses as a foundation, with many companies specializing in custom bus conversions catering to a clientele looking to spend whatever it takes to “get the best”. Wealthy retirees, rock stars, and touring bands have all sprung for custom buses, with price tags to match.  We’re not that demographic.

Ten, twenty, or even thirty years later, these buses that once cost a fortune are selling used for a fraction of their original cost.  But unlike a traditional RV, as long as it was well cared for, an older bus still has a relatively long life ahead of it.

Some of the high-end conversion companies buy virgin bus shells straight from the factory, but other professional conversion companies and talented hobbyists buy buses that had been in passenger service but which were being retired – such as older Greyhounds. Some of the best conversions are the byproduct of a talented hobbyist craftsman spending literal years working to perfect and polish every possible nut and bolt on a hobby bus. Others hobbyist bus conversions are made up of thrown together half-completed projects.

The key is tracking down the jewels and skipping over the potential money pits, or the buses requiring extensive renovation work before they are ready to be lived in.

And the vintage bus market is especially soft right now due to rising diesel prices, the economy and limited (or no) options for financing.  With patience and a realistic eye, you can find amazing converted buses in the $10- 30k range.  Add in some updates and put aside some cash for anticipated repair & maintenance, and one can end up with a unique longer lasting home on wheels for less than the price of a brand new ‘quality’ RV.

At some point over the past few decades buses morphed into sleek but rather dull looking boxes.

Buses also grew bigger, as state laws changed to first allow 40′ lengths and then 45′. Buses got wider too – stretching from 96″ across to a lane-spanning 104″.

For a bus carrying paying passengers, bigger makes sense. But for two nomads used to living in a 17′ egg, the formerly standard 35′ length is already more than enough! We already know that most RVs will never be able to go to the remote places we did with our Oliver. However, many public parks that we favor were built in a time before 40′ & 45′ RVs were legal, so they have a 35′ length max to maneuver and park.

After looking at several 40′ and 35′ buses, we simply know that a 35′ bus with 2 axles is what we want. Anything bigger is just too much for us.

Vintage buses do have their challenges however. While the diesel engines of these things were fairly standard for buses, trucks, boats and more – some of these buses just have parts that are made of unobtanium. And of course, time is not always kind. Corrosion and rust are issues to be on the look out for.

Hopefully we’ll be able to find a bus that hits a sweet spot – old enough to be stylish and affordable, but updated enough not to be a maintenance migraine.

Practical & Challenging

The more we’ve researched bus life, the more the idea has grown on us.

And as a bonus – learning bus systems and diesel engine maintenance is perfect training for our eventual life at sea! We look at our vintage bus experiment to be training wheels for sailing life – learning to deal with challenges of upkeeping systems in circumstances that  might be challenging … without risking sinking or floating adrift at sea.

Now all we need to do is scour the country, and find the right bus for us!

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Nov 8, 2016 at 2:12 am

Hello ive recently started looking into vehicle conversions since ones like winnebago are just to fragile for my needs and stick and stone home seems like a death sentence so on practicalness here im looking for something that can hold a generous water and at least decent waste tank with still room for one bed bathroom plus shower kitchen and washer and dryer. And maybe a small living room. This would be for 24/7 year round living in. Thats why large water tanks. What would you recommend? I would at some point add or try to add solar paneling and such to make it more lasting, basicaly a preppers dream mobile command seems like a good description. Apologies for this long post question im quite new to this with no experience but any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Nov 8, 2016 at 8:56 am

Converting a bus can certainly meet your desires. Recommend continuing your research to find the right solution for you. http://www.busconversions.com is the go-to community for such things.

Aug 27, 2016 at 4:33 am

Hello Chris and Cherie. We hope you both are good and healthy. For we found our bus and hope to have it ready by the end of 2017. We’ve been collecting many types of wines and spirits. We r looking forward and excited about finally meeting the both of you, with a few “liquefied” gifts! Please keep on “bus-sing” ! Collette and Marvin July

Nov 27, 2015 at 7:15 pm

Hey! My wife and I are looking for a ” Vintage Bus ” like a 4104, ’62 or older to go on the road in. We see what’s online, but have not been aboard any. Here’s the question; In your search, did you actually go aboard or make a decision by photo? If they only have one pic, we go no further. Love the blog! Wayne

Nov 27, 2015 at 8:59 pm

Definitely recommend looking at them in person. Each one is so completely unique. Make sure you also look at our ‘Bus Dating’ and other posts during our shopping experience.

Sep 17, 2015 at 9:55 pm

Keep enjoying life and being a blessing to your followers and readers! God’s love, safety, and a great time with your future bottle of wine…

Nov 9, 2013 at 6:58 am

I have come to the same conclusion about getting a bus motorhome conversion. It is still some years off before we can get one. I am in the process of learning as much as I can about them. Someday, when we are semi-retired I would like to do volunteer building and disaster relief. You cannot haul around a half-ton of tools in a trailer or motorhome, but a bus can. I too am looking for a vintage one, they are way cooler than the boxes on wheels of today. I run a Facebook group called Vintage Motorhomes. Bus motorhome conversions are welcome. In face I am going to link this article on the wall. I am interested in what you end-up buying. Perhaps you can join Vintage Motorhomes and post the bus conversions that you pass-up. Thanks. Happy Camping!

Nov 9, 2013 at 1:13 pm

Hi Roger… and welcome. this post is actually 2.5 years old, and we’ve been on the road in our bus conversion since June 2011.

Here’s what we ended up with: https://www.technomadia.com/zephyr

At the bottom of the page are links to more posts about our bus hunt (including buses we passed up, but most have been sold by now), and the continuing story of our bus related projects.

Jul 19, 2013 at 4:44 pm

Just found you for a second time and can tell you that a bus conversion is wonderful! We did our own of a Southern Coach Mfg. Co. bus built in 1955 and converted 1977-1982. We were still in the work force and had only some evening hours and week-ends but it was SO worth our time. We have been over the Rocky Mountains many times and many states in the lower 48 with NO problems! Are still using it but are at our “slowing-down-time” and plan to sell it. Hate to do so! Best camper we ever owned! Did it our way……………

Sep 7, 2013 at 1:59 pm

I am now looking for a converted bus to fulltime. please call when ready to sell 2 zero 1 – four 88 – four six 73.

Jun 22, 2011 at 12:10 pm

Wow! Didn’t even know such things existed but it just makes sense. Some of those vintage buses are so pretty I can see why one would be drawn to them. Can’t wait to see how the finish product!

Jun 9, 2011 at 1:08 pm

I have to admit those old buses have sure got some beautiful lines. Will be looking forward to following along w/ your journey on this conversion. One day we’ll downsize from “the beast” and would like to consider something more vintage. Nina

Jun 9, 2011 at 12:43 am

My girlfriend and I are planning to spend a good chunk of time living on the road after we finish the jet setting phase we’re in right now. I looked at some traditional RVs and yeah, most of ’em seem pretty flimsy. I’ll be following your quest to find a bus with great curiosity…

Jun 8, 2011 at 8:44 am

Have you guys talked to Nick Russel at Gypsy Journal? ( http://gypsyjournal.net/about_the_gypsy_journal.htm )

Nick and Terry built and drove a bus conversion for years and may have some good insight on the subject.

Jun 8, 2011 at 12:14 pm

Thanks for the reminder of that! We have talked to him on other RVing stuff, but had forgotten he was a but nut!

Jun 8, 2011 at 12:23 am

We are looking at converting a bus also. Right now it is still in dream phase but we are talking about doing the conversion ourselves (my husband is a carpenter) Buying a composting toilet so we won’t have to sani-dump, getting solar panels, and converting it to run on Veggie Oil. I’ll be watching your journey with interest!

Very cool.. good to know there are others currently considering similar routes. 🙂 Best wishes in your eventual search. There seems to be tons of great options out there for these buses.

Jun 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm

Oh what a wonderful project guys! Do go for a vintage diesel bus!( Oh the wonderment of having a nice diesel-bus without any Ignition-computer crap on it).

Jun 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm

There certainly do seem to be advantages of a simple diesel 2-stroke system in maintaining them. And there do seem to have some unique challenges, as 2-stroke mechanics are ending their careers as well.

Jun 7, 2011 at 3:09 pm

I can’t wait to see what you end up with. Terry and I always drool over the vintage buses we see anywhere. We will hang a u-ey immediately to go oogle one parked with a For Sale sign on it!

Our 1978 Holiday Rambler that we are repurposing has been a joy – MUCH better insulated and well-built than our 1996 fifth-wheel was. After 30+ years and some systems repairs/replacements along the way, she is still strong and always ready to go.

Reading your blog really makes us want to become bus-nuts too, when we are ready to “kick it up a notch” and go to a larger, more full-time RV.

Vintage is becoming the current “cool” in RVing …. and you two are way-cool … or is that “bad” nowadays?! Anyway enjoy, we are hanging on every post.

Jun 8, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Thanks for the vintage bus encouragement! It does certainly seem like older RVs in general were just built to last longer than they are nowadays. Glad to hear your Rambler is still full of life!

Jun 7, 2011 at 10:53 am

Chris & Cherie

You will love a bus. Our family converted our bus six years ago and it has provided many fantastic memories. It is like having a beach house on wheels.

You will need to modify your definition of “getting there” when in a bus. We now consider any drive-thru parking spot within two blocks of our destination as being able to “get there”. Parking in the far reaches of a Wal-Mart lot and walking in is also normal.

The diesel pushers are quiet while driving and even quieter while sleeping. The 35ft length is ideal for city driving and the backroads. Consider the overall height and try to stay under 12 feet. I have not encountered an overhead obstacle on the road lower that 12 feet, but I have at campgrounds.

Another consideration is undercarriage clearance. Our school bus has almost two feet of clearance under the body. This has allowed us to get down some very back roads and into some primitive campsites. The highway buses you are considering will have much less ground clearance and will limit some of your routes and destinations. But for planning purposes any modern roadway will accommodate a motorcoach.

Everything about a bus is better than a typical RV. The body is stronger. The drivetrain is more robust. The electrical and lighting systems are standardized, and parts are available at almost every truck stop. When comparing a bus to an RV motorhome the maintenance is no different except more truck repair shops will be willing to work on a bus.

My last two cents worth of advice is to practice driving it in a safe area. Really. Don’t head out for St Louis right away. Highway driving is not practice. Go somewhere you can practice turns and backing up.

The drivers seat on most buses is six to eight feet in front of the front tires. That makes for a very unusual turning experience. The rear bumper is eight to twelve feet behind the rear tires and will swing out when making a tight turn.

You guys will figure it out. I am looking forward to seeing what you select. It will be cool I am sure of that.

Jun 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm

Thanks for the tip on the height, that’s a good benchmark for sure. We definitely want to keep accessible for state parks and such, and is a big driving force behind staying at 35′ and below. We have already given up option of the more remote off road ability we had with our trailer set-up (and considering eventually towing a 4×4 Jeep for those explorations.)

We definitely plan to spend time getting comfortable driving the bus locally before heading back to St. Louis to get Kiki. We did get some time behind the wheel this week, and it was reinforcing that it’s not as intimidating as we initially thought.

Jun 7, 2011 at 10:44 am

Wow! Amazing idea. I can’t wait to see what y’all find and how you end up customizing it.

Thanks for the continued encouragement 🙂

Jun 7, 2011 at 7:56 am

This great, vintage bus showed up on another forum, last week.

http://bellingham.craigslist.org/rvs/2419205361.html

I don’t see a bathroom, though 🙁

The guy’s inspiration, this video, is epic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPhWfSeMYHA

Cyndi & Stumpy @ RVly Ever After

Jun 7, 2011 at 10:43 am

Hah yes.. the video is epic! And we have seen this bus in our searches.

However, we are specifically looking for long range transit buses with underbay storage and highway gearing. Converted school buses and local transit buses aren’t generally making our contender’s list.

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