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USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-E)

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The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-E) was a 24th century Federation Sovereign -class starship operated by Starfleet . This ship was the sixth Federation starship to bear the name Enterprise .

• 2.1 Construction and launch
• 2.2.1 Return to Earth
• 2.2.2 Journey to 2063
• 2.3.1 The Battle of the Briar Patch
• 2.4 Continuing voyages
• 2.5.1 Battle of the Bassen Rift
• 2.6 The 2380s
• 4 Technical information
• 5 Command crew
• 6.1 Appearances
• 6.3 Apocrypha
• 6.4 External links

Lineage [ ]

Service history [ ], construction and launch [ ].

On stardate 49827.5, the Sovereign -class Enterprise -E, seen as the pinnacle of Starfleet ship design, was launched from San Francisco Fleet Yards , with Captain Jean-Luc Picard in command once more. Much of the crew of the Enterprise -D had been reassigned there, including almost the entire senior staff . The sole exception was Lieutenant Commander Worf , who had already transferred to the space station Deep Space 9 . ( Star Trek: First Contact ; DS9 : " The Way of the Warrior ", " Trials and Tribble-ations ")

The Borg threat [ ]

After almost a year in space , the Enterprise was ordered to patrol the Romulan Neutral Zone during the second Borg incursion . Starfleet was officially concerned about possible Romulan military action since many of the available ships had been diverted to fight the Borg , but in reality, Starfleet was concerned about Picard's presence at the battle.

Return to Earth [ ]

The Enterprise at the Battle of Sector 001

However, shortly after the Federation fleet engaged the Borg cube , Picard disobeyed orders and returned to Earth to assist the fleet. Once there, Picard became aware of a battle-induced weakness in the Borg ship due to his residual link to the Collective and ordered all the ships in the fleet to concentrate their fire on that section of the ship. As a result, the Borg vessel was destroyed and the Battle of Sector 001 was a victory for Starfleet.

Journey to 2063 [ ]

The Enterprise passing the USS Defiant

Before the Borg cube was destroyed, it launched a second vessel towards Earth. This ship created a temporal vortex and traveled back to the year 2063 in order to stop Zefram Cochrane from launching his historic warp ship , the Phoenix . Their hope was to prevent first contact with the Vulcans and assimilate Earth before the Federation could be formed to resist them.

The Enterprise , protected from the alterations in the timeline by a temporal wake within the vortex, chased the Borg into the past and destroyed their ship and sent an away team to help Cochrane repair the Phoenix .

Borg assimilating the decks of the Enterprise

However, the ship's sensors and shields were damaged during the trip through the vortex and, unbeknownst to the crew , several Borg drones transported aboard the Enterprise before their ship exploded. They began to assimilate the ship, beginning with main engineering and sickbay on Deck 16 and converting the corridors into a Borg configuration, complete with regeneration alcoves and assimilation chambers . On Picard's order, Lieutenant Commander Data locked out the main computer with a fractal encryption code to prevent the Borg from fully seizing control of the Enterprise . The Borg established their collective in engineering and cut primary power to all other decks, cutting the Enterprise off from the away team still down on the surface . The Borg were able to swiftly overrun the defense checkpoints set up by the Starfleet crew on Decks 26 through 11, assimilating the crew as they progressed and seizing control of such sections as hydroponics , Stellar cartography , deflector control and the shuttlebays . They also attempted to build an interplexing beacon on the particle emitter of the deflector dish to contact the Borg Collective of that time period.

The main deflector dish, with particle emitter disconnected

A three-man team led by Captain Picard stopped the beacon from being completed by separating the dish from the ship by disengaging the magnetic locks and destroying it. The Borg changed tactics and continued to overrun the defense checkpoints, assimilating the ship up to Deck 5 with the intent to fully assimilate the vessel . The Borg's ability to adapt to the handheld weapons of the Enterprise crew made stopping them impossible and Picard realized that the fight was a lost cause. After great consideration, he reluctantly ordered the evacuation of the ship via the escape pods and activated the ship's auto-destruct sequence to prevent the Borg from interfering with the Phoenix flight.

Picard eventually confronted the Borg Queen in main engineering, only to find, to his horror, that the Borg had apparently coerced Data into collaborating with them. He aborted the auto-destruct sequence and entered the encryption codes into the main computer, effectively giving the Borg Queen command of the Enterprise . On the Queen's instructions, Data fired three quantum torpedoes at the Phoenix , ostensibly intending to destroy it. However, the torpedoes narrowly missed their target and Data revealed that he had in fact simply been deceiving the Borg. He ruptured one of the plasma coolant tanks , flooding engineering with plasma coolant and liquefying the Borg Queen and all the drones in engineering. With the death of the Borg Queen, the remaining Borg onboard were disabled, which allowed Data and Picard to recapture the vessel.

The Enterprise crew was successful in helping Cochrane make his flight and instigate First Contact with Vulcans . Using the gravitational field of Luna allowed the Enterprise to remain undetected by the Vulcan ship and the Enterprise was able to recreate the vortex used by the Borg to return to 2373 where the Borg components were removed, the ship repaired and subsequently returned to service. ( Star Trek: First Contact )

The Briar Patch [ ]

The Enterprise in the Briar Patch

With the Federation Diplomatic Corps attempting to negotiate an end to the Dominion War , the Enterprise was relegated to a diplomatic role, much to the dissatisfaction of Captain Picard. In 2375 , the Enterprise was conducting a diplomatic mission with the Evora , a new Federation protectorate species and was scheduled to resolve a territorial dispute in the Goren system when her crew became embroiled in a plot by the Son'a , assisted by Starfleet Admiral Dougherty , to forcibly remove the Ba'ku from their isolated homeworld in the Briar Patch .

The Son'a turned out to be vengeful former Ba'ku who had been exiled from the planet after a failed coup a century prior . They planned to harvest metaphasic radiation from the planet 's ring system and needed Starfleet's cooperation to carry out the plan. Captain Picard felt the relocation of the Ba'ku was a severe violation of the Prime Directive and resigned his commission, leading a team of Enterprise crewmembers to the Ba'ku planet to prevent their capture and removal.

The Enterprise being pursued by a subspace tear in the Briar Patch

Commander William T. Riker was instructed to take the Enterprise and contact the Federation Council to alert them of Admiral Dougherty's treachery. However, the Enterprise was required to navigate an area of space known as the Briar Patch in order to contact Starfleet Command . This area disrupted communications as well as the ship's warp drive .

The Battle of the Briar Patch [ ]

Two Son'a battle cruisers were sent by Ahdar Ru'afo to intercept the Enterprise before she left the Briar Patch and severely damaged the ship in the process. The warp core was ejected in order to seal a dangerous tear in subspace created by the isolytic weaponry of the Son'a.

Riker was able to outwit the Son'a by collecting metreon gas native to the Briar Patch then venting it behind the ship. When the Son'a used their weapons, the gas exploded, destroying one ship and severely damaging the other. Geordi La Forge half-jokingly commented that the tactic could become known as the Riker Maneuver . The Enterprise later returned to the Ba'ku planet to aid Captain Picard disarming the Son'a collector . They ran into Ru'afo's flagship on their way there and Commander Riker pretended to ram into the flagship but instead flew over it and used its phaser banks to fire at it. When the collector started to blow up, the Enterprise beamed up Picard and left Ru'afo to be destroyed in the collector while it blew up. The Enterprise later left the Briar Patch to leave for Earth. ( Star Trek: Insurrection )

Continuing voyages [ ]

The Enterprise visited Earth for several days in 2376 , around the time the Pathfinder Project made contact with the USS Voyager and conducted a mission about seven light years from Earth the following year . According to Deanna Troi , it was an important mission, but the objective was never discussed. ( VOY : " Pathfinder ", " Life Line ")

Sometime between 2375 and 2379 the Enterprise underwent a major refit . Four additional aft -facing photon torpedo tubes were added, along with one more forward-facing tube: a twin launcher aft of the bridge , a single launcher above the aft hangar deck and a single launcher at the forward base of the bridge terracing.

The bridge was refitted with handrails and the consoles were improved across the port and starboard walls with more detailed displays. Additionally, new nacelle pylons were fitted at that time, slightly longer, broader, and more sharply swept than the originals and fitted with four additional phaser arrays . ( Star Trek Nemesis )

Mission to Romulus [ ]

The Enterprise in 2379

In 2379 , the Enterprise returned to Earth for the wedding of William T. Riker and Deanna Troi. She departed for Betazed , where another ceremony, a traditional Betazoid wedding, was scheduled.

While en route, the ship detected unusual positronic signals from the Kolarin system , discovering another Soong-type android , the prototype B-4 . Shortly following, the Enterprise was ordered to Romulus for a meeting with the new Praetor , Shinzon , who apparently wanted to initiate peace talks. Both the discovery of B-4 and the peace overtures turned out to be a ruse to capture Captain Picard and discover tactical positions of Starfleet vessels.

Enterprise faces and collides with the Scimitar

Once it became clear Shinzon was going to use his starship, the Scimitar , to destroy all life on Earth and wage war on the Federation, the Enterprise was to join Star Fleet Battle Group Omega and make a stand against Shinzon.

Battle of the Bassen Rift [ ]

Shinzon caught up to the Enterprise in the Bassen Rift and, in the ensuing confrontation , the vessel was severely damaged, including a major hull breach on the bridge, destroying the viewscreen and controls and disabling the warp core .

As a last resort, Picard ordered Counselor Deanna Troi to take control of the Enterprise and have it ram the Scimitar , resulting in the loss of much of the saucer section 's forward area. The collision disabled the Scimitar , but Shinzon, driven by vengeance , activated his deadly thalaron weapon and trained it on the Enterprise .

The weapon was overloaded, and the Scimitar was destroyed due to interference from Commander Data, who sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise , Picard and, indirectly, Earth.

Enterprise in drydock over Earth

Following the Scimitar incident, the Enterprise returned to Earth where it underwent an extensive repair in one of the orbiting spacedocks . ( Star Trek Nemesis )

The 2380s [ ]

The Protostar evades the Enterprise -E in 2384

In 2381 , two Reman assassins intercepted the Enterprise in the Donatra sector and put a gun to Picard's head. ( PIC : " Seventeen Seconds ")

That same year, Captain Picard was promoted to admiral and left the Enterprise to spearhead the construction and deployment of a massive transport fleet intended to aid the evacuation of the Romulus system before its sun went supernova in 2387 . ( PIC : " Remembrance "; LD : " The Stars At Night ")

In 2384 , the Enterprise was part of a Federation armada sent to intercept the USS Protostar , when it was intentionally attacked by the living construct released by Asencia . ( PRO : " Mindwalk ", " Supernova, Part 1 ")

Later, after the Protostar was destroyed, the ship was seen wrecked, with numerous gashes in the hull and completely dark, but somewhat intact. ( PRO : " Supernova, Part 2 ")

In 2401 , while taking the rebuilt Enterprise -D from the Fleet Museum , La Forge mentioned they "obviously" couldn't take the Enterprise -E, something that Worf said "was not [his] fault", alluding to an incident rendering the ship unusable. ( PIC : " Võx ")

The next USS Enterprise , an Odyssey -class starship USS Enterprise -F was launched and would be in service during the late 24th century. ( PIC : " The Next Generation ")

Technical information [ ]

The Enterprise -E at warp

In her original configuration, the Enterprise -E was under 700 meters long and had 24 decks according to Picard, although Deck 26 was reported as being controlled by the Borg. She was equipped with twelve phaser arrays and five torpedo tubes .

The main bridge of the Enterprise

By 2379 , the Enterprise -E had undergone at least one refit, including four additional phaser arrays and five additional torpedo tubes. The number of decks was also increased by five to a minimum of 29. ( Star Trek Nemesis )

Sections included deflector control, Stellar cartography , hydroponics (on deck 11), and one sickbay ward. Main engineering and sickbay were on Deck 16. ( Star Trek: First Contact )

The ship could be controlled by a manual steering column located on the bridge. ( Star Trek: Insurrection ) She was also the first Enterprise to be equipped with an Emergency Medical Hologram . ( Star Trek: First Contact )

The Enterprise 's forward shuttlebay

The Enterprise carried a newer design of shuttlecraft as well as numerous other forms of transportation, including a warp-capable captain's yacht , the Cousteau , ( Star Trek: Insurrection ) and a special multipurpose shuttlecraft, the Argo . ( Star Trek Nemesis ) The yacht was installed as a part of the saucer section and detached upon deployment. Other auxiliary craft were launched from two shuttlebays , one at the aft end of the secondary hull and another near the aft end of the primary hull.

Crewmembers included those of the Human , Vulcan , Bajoran , Betazoid , Bolian , and Trill species , as well as a Klingon and an android . ( Star Trek: Insurrection )

Command crew [ ]

• Jean-Luc Picard ( 2372 – 2380s )
• William T. Riker ( 2375 ) (acting)
• William T. Riker (2372– 2379 )
• Data (2372–2379), also Second Officer
• Perim (2375)
• Geordi La Forge (2372–)
• Daniels (2372–2375)
• Worf ( 2373 , 2375, 2379) (acting)
• Beverly Crusher (2372– 2381 )
• Deanna Troi (2372–2379)
• Hawk (2373)
• Geordi La Forge (2375) (acting)
• Branson (2379)

See also: USS Enterprise personnel

Appendices [ ]

Appearances [ ].

• Star Trek: First Contact
• Star Trek: Insurrection
• Star Trek Nemesis
• VOY : " Life Line " (interior only)
• PIC : " The Impossible Box " (archive footage)
• " Mindwalk "
• " Supernova, Part 1 "

Background information [ ]

A Galaxy -class Enterprise -E

Following Star Trek Generations , the six-foot filming model for the Galaxy -class USS Enterprise -D had been modified to have the registry number read "NCC-1701-E". Penny Juday , the archivist at Paramount Pictures , had no explanation for this change as of 19 October 2001. ( TNG Season 2, Disc 6 : "Inside Starfleet Archives"). It turned out that the change was done at ILM by John Goodson prior to crating up the model after completion of Star Trek Generations , presumably on the assumption that the new Enterprise might be a Galaxy -class ship as well and having the number changed over already would save whoever did the special effects the trouble of having to change it over themselves. ( Industrial Light & Magic: Into the Digital Realm , p. 60)

The Enterprise -E was, in fact, the only replacement for a previously-destroyed "hero" ship that was not of the same class as its predecessor, as opposed to USS Enterprise -A (and its alternate reality counterpart ) , the USS Defiant and the Delta Flyer . It was principally designed by John Eaves under the supervision of Herman Zimmerman . Using Eaves's sketches, Rick Sternbach drafted the blueprints for a ten-foot physical model. Eaves and Zimmerman also supervised the interior design of the bridge, engineering and corridors , although many sets from Star Trek: Voyager were also reused during Star Trek: First Contact and Star Trek: Insurrection . Though the Enterprise -E was mentioned in several episodes of Voyager , the ship was never seen outside of the films. However, the interior of the ship is visible in a communication with Deanna Troi in VOY : " Life Line " as well as a turbolift interior built for the films which was re-purposed for the Enterprise -D in ENT : " These Are the Voyages... ".

The ten-foot physical model, constructed under the supervision of John Goodson at Industrial Light & Magic (ILM), was used for visual effects shots during Star Trek: First Contact , alongside a CGI version. In Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek Nemesis , CGI versions of the ship completely replaced the physical model.

The Nemesis CGI model included several modifications designed by John Eaves. In addition to the new weapons mentioned above, the warp pylons were slightly modified and the connection between the primary and secondary hulls near the main shuttlebay was made more sleek.

The model of the Enterprise -E from Star Trek: First Contact (Lot #107) was sold at the 40 Years of Star Trek: The Collection auction on October 5, 2006 for US$132,000 including the buyer's premium (the winning bid was US$110,000). [6]

There has been some confusion about the number of decks on the Enterprise -E. The construction blueprints of the filming miniature created for Star Trek: First Contact explicitly label 23 decks. In the film, Picard told Lily Sloane that the ship had 24 decks, while the master systems display on the bridge allows either interpretation. Earlier on, however, Daniels had reported that the Borg are in control of Decks 26 through 11. Michael and Denise Okuda say in their text commentary on the film, during the scene in which Picard tells Lilly about the 24 decks: " Unfortunately, earlier in this film, we are told that the ship has at least 26 decks. We can't imagine that Picard doesn't know his own ship, so we theorize that the other two decks are top secret for some reason. Either that, or his memory was affected by his earlier Borg assimilation. It certainly couldn't be a goof, because the design of the ship changed slightly during filming. "

In Star Trek Nemesis , the Remans beam onto Deck 29. This could mean that Picard did not tell Lily the truth and there are actually more than 24 decks, or that more decks were added to the ship prior to Star Trek Nemesis . It may also be the case that Picard was counting only finished decks, as there could have been decks left unfinished for future expansion. Also, there was the possibility that Picard may have intentionally withheld or lied about certain aspects of the Enterprise -E design in the event that Lily was assimilated by the Borg.

Also in Nemesis , the Reman Viceroy fell several decks down a maintenance shaft. Because the Viceroy and the other Remans boarded the ship on Deck 29, it had been assumed that the ensuing battle took place on Deck 29 and that the Viceroy fell from that deck, implying that there could be 35 or more decks, or that the normal deck scheme was altered in some way that the ship could have more named decks than it measured in height.

This was not the case as signage on the corridors where the phaser fight between the Remans and the Enterprise officers took place indicate they were actually on Deck 9. This suggested that the two parties encountered each other about halfway to their destinations ( Enterprise officers to Deck 29, the Remans to the bridge on Deck 1).

It is apparent from lineup charts that every new starship Enterprise is slightly longer than the previous one. In Star Trek: First Contact , Picard informs Lily Sloane that the Enterprise -E is "almost seven hundred meters long", in accordance with its intended size of 2,248 feet (685 meters). John Eaves describes the rationale as follows:

When the "E" had a final approved design, we drew up a chart of all the Enterprises in profile. Herman [Zimmerman] and I set down a whole bunch of cutouts of the "E" in various sizes to see where this new ship should scale with the others. We found one size that looked appropriate and we put a scale to its length and that would be 2,248 feet. Rick [Sternbach] was waiting to do the blueprints and add his creativity to the design, so we gave him a drawing with this one measurement. From there he sized the whole ship ... [7]

By January 7, 1997, the following dimensions from Rick Sternbach had been added to FAQ: A History of Ships Named Enterprise: [8]

Length: 2,248' Beam: 820' Height: 290' L of saucer: 1,150' Nacelle span: 700' L of nacelles: 1,056'

The same length, beam and height (in meters) appear on the SciPubTech poster from around the same time. In addition, the length of 2,248 feet is listed in at least three comparison charts prepared for Star Trek: First Contact . [9] It can also be seen in the charts prepared for Star Trek: Insurrection . [10] The Star Trek Nemesis size chart puts it at 2,250 feet, consistent with a size revision during either the filmed or the unfilmed stage of redesign. [11] [12]

Apocrypha [ ]

In the novel Ship of the Line , the Enterprise was given to Captain Morgan Bateson for its shakedown cruise , which included war games near the Klingon border. Along for the ride, as temporary chief engineer, was Montgomery Scott .

Some missions of the Enterprise during the Dominion War were featured in Behind Enemy Lines , Tunnel Through the Stars and Tales of the Dominion War . In the DS9 Millennium book series, the Enterprise was destroyed at the Battle of Rigel VII ( β ) in an alternate future that the intrepid heroes of Deep Space 9 later prevented.

Star Trek: A Time to... , set during the year leading up to Star Trek Nemesis , featured the Enterprise being involved in a major political scandal that disgraces the ship and her crew for much of the coming year; the final duology in that series features the Enterprise being ordered to lead an invasion and occupation of a sovereign planet, with resemblance to the current real life world political situation at the time the novels were written. A "TNG relaunch" of sorts followed the Enterprise 's activities after Nemesis ; the first book in the series, Death in Winter , was released in September 2005 .

The novel Resistance established that before he left the Enterprise for the Titan , Commander Riker christened this Enterprise 's version of the crew lounge , or Ten Forward , as the "Happy Bottom Riding Club," a name Worf absolutely hated and refused to use under any circumstances. The name for the lounge was derived from a similar watering hole that old Earth astronauts used to frequent. It also established that every ship's computer that was built during the last decade had encrypted information about Romulan cloaking technology, which could be decrypted in case of emergency using an admiral's code and thus enabled the crew to build a cloaking device. In Resistance the crew separated the saucer section from the engine section (a feat this Enterprise had previously not done) and then cloaked the engine section to engage a Borg cube. During Resistance , Worf was promoted to the official first officer after acting in the position in an unofficial capacity during the ship's reconstruction after its confrontation with the Scimitar . In Q&A , an encounter with Q revealed that his past contact with the crew had been to prepare them for an encounter with "Them ( β )", a race far above even the Q, with Picard's response convincing Them that the universe deserved to exist. The novel Before Dishonor allied the crew of the Enterprise with Spock and Seven of Nine as they are forced to reactivate the original planet killer after Admiral Janeway was assimilated and became the new Queen of a Borg super-cube, the confrontation ending with the loss of Pluto , the destruction of the cube and Janeway's apparent death . The Destiny miniseries culminated in the final destruction of the Borg after the Titan learns their true origin, but the Federation was left devastated by the subsequent invasion , with much of the later novels focusing on the role the Enterprise will play in the reconstruction amid the creation of the Typhon Pact ( β ), an "anti-Federation" consisting of some of the Federation's most notorious adversaries, including the Romulans, the Tholians and the Breen . After the events of The Fall miniseries, the Enterprise was sent on a new mission of exploration.

In the Star Trek: Picard tie-in prequel, The Last Best Hope , Worf was given command of the Enterprise following Picard's promotion to admiral and on his personal recommendation, as Starfleet has reservations in light of Worf's actions in DS9 : " Change of Heart ".

In the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual (which was printed before Star Trek: First Contact ), it was speculated that the Enterprise -E might be a Nova -class ship.

The Enterprise -E in Countdown , Issue 2

In Star Trek: Countdown , a tie-in to the 2009 Star Trek film, the Enterprise -E was still active as of 2387 with Data , having been revived after successfully imprinting his neural network into B-4 's existing CPU succeeding Picard as captain .

The timeline for Star Trek Online followed the storyline in the Countdown comic series, with Data as captain into the 25th century . The timeline only mentioned that the Enterprise -E left service around 2408, but its ultimate fate was unclear; however, by 2409, a new Odyssey -class ( β ) vessel was christened Enterprise ( β ) (NCC-1701-F), implying that her predecessor was decommissioned or destroyed. The short story "Unexpected Honor", written for issue 40 of Star Trek Magazine in May 2012, revealed that the Enterprise -E was destroyed in an ambush by the Undine at Starbase 236 ( β ) in 2408; among the survivors was Captain Data, who retired from Starfleet to take up teaching on Earth.

The Enterprise had also featured in many apocryphal productions, including the strategy games Star Trek: Armada , Star Trek: Armada II , Star Trek: Bridge Commander , Star Trek: Starfleet Command III , Star Trek: Elite Force II , Star Trek: Legacy , and, most recently, Star Trek Online .

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‘Star Trek: Picard’ Drops Hints About the Fate of the Enterprise-E

As Star Trek: Picard season 3 nears its finale, it’s given us a satisfying Star Trek: The Next Generation reunion and ignited hopes for Picard season 4 . The last time the crew was all together was back in 2002 in Star Trek: Nemesis . Fortunately, we’ve been able to catch up with Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) over the past three seasons of Picard . The series has explored his adventures after retiring from his role as a Starfleet Admiral. However, the TNG crew didn’t return until season 3, and their future is uncertain as there may not be plans for a fourth season, and potential spinoffs still feel so far away. As a result, we’ve had a lot of catching up to do in a short time in this last season of Star Trek: Picard .

A tale of two ships

One of the biggest unanswered mysteries is what happened to some of the ships in Starfleet’s history. Two of the most prominent ships in the Star Trek franchise are the USS Enterprise-D (NCC-1701-D) and the USS Enterprise-E (NCC-1701-E). Star Trek: Picard surprised fans by unveiling Enterprise-D in season 3, episode 9, “Vox.” During the episode, the crew ends up in a Starfleet Museum, which contains several ships from the fleet’s history. It is there that Geordi La Forge (LeVar Burton) reveals that he’s been rebuilding Enterprise-D.

Enterprise-D was the primary setting for Star Trek: The Next Generation , but it was sadly destroyed in Star Trek Generations during the Battle of Veridian III. The destruction of Enterprise-D led to the crew getting a replacement ship, Enterprise-E. While it was fun to see the crew back in the original TNG ship, we can’t help but wonder what happened to Enterprise-E to make it unavailable in Star Trek: Picard . The answer to this question lies with Worf.

What did Worf do to the Enterprise-E?

Star Trek: Picard doesn’t explicitly explain what happened to Enterprise-E. As mentioned above, there’s a lot to unpack, so not every backstory can be wholly fleshed out. However, when revealing that he rebuilt Enterprise-D, Geordi says, “And obviously, we can’t use the Enterprise-E.” This statement seems to imply that Enterprise-E was destroyed. Additionally, it seems it was so badly destroyed that it was beyond fixing, leaving Geordi to work on Enterprise-D instead. After he mentions Enterprise-E, though, everyone in the group turns to look at Worf (Michael Dorn). Noticing the accusatory glances, Worf defensively says, “ That wasn’t my fault.”

Unfortunately, we do not know exactly what Worf and the rest of the crew are referring to. However, it certainly seems to imply that Worf was somehow tied to Enterprise-E’s demise. The only other bit of information we have about what happened is a social media post. Ahead of Star Trek: Picard ‘s season 3 premiere, Paramount Pictures used the official Star Trek Instagram page, Star Trek Logs, to share “personnel” files on all the returning TNG characters to give viewers a refresher. Worf’s file mentions that he was assigned captain of Enterprise-E before Star Trek: Picard . However, his stint as captain was brief because he “stepped down after the incident above Kriilar Prime.”

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Clues about Enterprise-E’s fate seem to end there, as there’s no evidence of what the Kriilar Prime incident is. Such an incident seemingly hasn’t been explored or mentioned in any other Star Trek projects yet. However, since his return to Star Trek: Picard , rumors have suggested that Worf may be getting his own spinoff series. Hopefully, more information about his ill-fated adventures as Captain of the Enterprise-E will arise in other Star Trek projects.

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Terry Matalas On Why Janeway And Harry Kim Weren’t In ‘Star Trek: Picard’ And The Fate Of The Enterprise-E

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The third and final season of Star Trek: Picard  was full of legacy characters and legacy ships, but there were even more considered, according to showrunner Terry Matalas.

More Voyager and DS9 cameos considered for season 3

During a Master Replicas Collectors Club Zoom chat in February, Terry Matalas talked about several other characters they had considered for season 3. One example would have reunited Seven of Nine with her grown-up Voyager protégé Naomi Wildman:

“There was an episode once the Titan was on the run and it needed to hide. And so we had this idea of Seven bringing them to sort of like space Tortuga, like spacedock for pirates where the Fenris Rangers were. And she gets help from an older Naomi Wildman who had also followed in her footsteps as a Fenris Ranger and was a badass. But Seven realizes she sort of created a monster because Naomi had become harder than she was. And so it was it was a Seven/Naomi story. We broke the story and we had reached out to the actress who played Naomi [Scarlett Pomers]. But it just didn’t feel—if you had 13 episodes, you were doing this for sure. But if you had 10, you’re like, ‘I need to get to LeVar.’ It’s time to get there.”

Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine and Scarlett Pomers as Naomi Wildman in Voyager “Bliss” (Paramount)

The main plot of season 3 led up to the Federation’s Frontier Day celebration with Starfleet assembled for one big event in episode 9 (“Vox”). That episode featured the return of Elizabeth Shelby (Elizabeth Dennehy) from TNG, Matalas revealed the original plan was even more ambitious:

“Harry Kim appeared as the captain of the Voyager-B in the first draft of Frontier Day. But Prodigy was telling a lot of Voyager stories and we didn’t know if Harry was going to appear and we didn’t want to step on their toes. But yeah, for me, I would have had as many as we could get. I would have made that Star Trek Avengers: Endgame . I would have made Frontier Day with many ships… I would have Kira [Nerys from DS9] there, even if all you get is a bridge shot. But all of that is very expensive. We were already way too ambitious.”

Garrett Wang as an alternate future Captain Harry Kim in Voyager “Endgame” (Paramount)

In the final episode, they’d considered reuniting Seven of Nine with Admiral Janeway, her former captain on the USS Voyager, but again, it was a bit too ambitious:

“We had talked about Janeway, obviously, because her name got dropped a bunch of times. But mostly just because she’s the admiral everybody knew. It would have felt like if we had put Janeway in the in the finale—specifically in the last scene where [Seven] is promoted—that was the original idea, she gets a promotion from Janeway, it might have overwhelmed the scene and made it more about Janeway and less about Seven of Nine. And we couldn’t afford Kate [Mulgrew] even if we wanted to. So it all worked out as it was supposed to.”

Admiral Janeway in Prodigy episode 10 (CBS Studios)

The showrunner was happy with how everything worked out and glad to bring back the characters they could. He talked about how there was some pushback from the studio and Paramount+ when it came to his ambitions:

“They got the last two scripts and they were like, ‘How do you?’ We had to start building the Enterprise-D in the second week we turned the key on season 3, because it takes so long. So honestly, the fact that we got away with what we got away with—like Tuvok. I was really glad to get Tuvok, I always loved Tuvok.”

In the end, Tim Russ appeared in two episodes, one as a Changeling infiltrator posing as Tuvok and then as the real Tuvok, who informed Seven of her promotion to captain in the finale.

Tim Russ as Tuvok in “The Last Generation” (Paramount+)

What happened to the Enterprise-E?

Season 3 of Picard had several USS Enterprises. It brought back the USS Enterprise-D from TNG, which Geordi restored at the Starfleet Museum, and introduced the Enterprise-F, commanded by Admiral Shelby on Frontier Day. It also rechristened the USS Titan as the Enterprise-G. What is missing from that list is the USS Enterprise-E featured in the final 3 TNG movies and fully operational at the end of Star Trek Nemesis . According to canon, after Jean-Luc Picard was promoted to admiral and left the ship to take over the Federation’s efforts to help Romulan refugees, Worf was promoted to captain and given command of the Enterprise-E.

USS Enterprise-E

Picard season 3 was set two decades later and turned the fate of the Enterprise-E into a gag, with Goerdi noting the ship wasn’t available and Worf defensively saying it wasn’t his fault, leaving it a mystery. Matalas was asked if he and the writers had worked on what really happened to the E. He said they had ideas but felt it worked better as a gag:

“We had ideas, but in the moment where they’re asking, ‘What about the Enterprise-E?’ it would not have been good for someone to be like, ‘Well, the Battle of duh, duh, duh.’ You are looking at the Enterprise-D! You couldn’t do it and you wouldn’t do it justice, whatever it is. You could say it is in storage or we are repainting it. You could, but I thought, but I thought it was way funnier if they all turned to Worf and he’s like, “It wasn’t my fault.” So everyone is going, “What the hell happened?” That’s way more fun. Somebody can tell that story some day about what happened with Worf and the Enterprise-E but it’s more fun to imagine yourself all the possibilities. Is it lost in an interdimensional rift and it’s still out there somewhere? Was it an accidental self destruct? Who knows? The question is almost better than the answer.”

Perhaps someday the story of the Enterprise-E and why it wasn’t Worf’s fault will be picked up in the books or comics or even on another Trek show.

Worf gets defensive over the Enterprise-E in Picard “Vox”

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I would’ve loved to have seen both Kim and Janeway back in this. IMy girlfriend watched the season literally hoping to see Janeway lol.

But unfortunately they only had so much money. I get it but yeah. Captain Kim on Voyager B would’ve been fun to see as well.

But all said and done these were only going to be cameo roles anyway, so no biggie. And I have a feeling we will see them both in live action again at some point.

I would personally love a Admiral Janeway Paramount+ movie and catch up to her life in the 25th century, especially after the events in Prodigy.

How about a Captain Paris show, or a The Adventures of Kira tv movie, or perhaps a series with Commander Hoshi.

Or, and here’s a wild idea… TELL NEW STORIES WITH NEW CHARACTERS. Push the franchise FORWARD, not backwards. It’s not difficult.

You can do both Emily. They are literally doing both now, hence why Lower Decks and Discovery have only new characters in their main casts and both are (now) Post Nemesis shows so what am I missing?

Also Starfleet Academy will also be in the 32nd century with all new characters, yes? That’s three shows so again what am I missing?

Emily you have gotten past the point of tiring. But then you act like the franchise isn’t actually doing what you keep moaning about when it’s doing that. You can make shows with new characters and you can make shows with legacy characters. Isn’t that what Star Wars is also doing? Funny you never seem as bothered with that franchise literally doing the same thing but you obviously like that more than Star Trek so I guess it gets a pass?

Actually I would love a Kira TV movie as well. That would be super interesting.

‘TELL NEW STORIES WITH NEW CHARACTERS. Push the franchise FORWARD, not backwards. It’s not difficult.”

Starfleet Academy will be be doing this next year. So I’m going to state this again, this literally what you want so stop whining already. Seriously. 🙄

And no one wants it. Because Star Trek of the last few years has trained fans to expect legacy characters. That’s why no one wants Discovery or Starfleet Academy, they want Legacy.

They don’t want Discovery because they think it sucks which last time I checked you think it sucks as well, right?

So are you saying you think it sucks because it doesn’t have legacy characters on it or because you just think it’s a bad show?

If it’s the latter then why do you not give others the same leeway? 🙄

They can actually hate Discovery for other reasons correct. Emily there are thousands of posts of people citing their hate for the show. I don’t think 1% of those thousands of posts has mentioned their lack of TOS characters as to why they hate it.

I will go one farther and say even when they DID get legacy characters in season 2 many still hated the show lol. So that kind of deflates your argument just a bit more correct? Correct Emily?

Do you not understand why it’s become a complete waste of time trying to have a conversation with you ? This is why. Literally this.

Emily you are probably a nice person but you are highly annoying with some of the most binary arguments I have ever seen. You don’t take into account anything else except the same tired mantra. This response has made this clear.

And now please from this point on just ignore my posts. Because in three days I will be repeating this to you like it’s groundhogs day again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

I’m sick of it.

Please stop talking to me. You have become a tedious and over redundant bore. I hate to be this harsh but I just had it. Leave me alone.

Wow. Even though I haven’t posted much, I have been lurking into this forum since the beginning of Discovery and have read thousands of posts, and probably hundreds by Tiger2 alone. And you’re one of the most polite and nice people I have read on forums. If I was the one you were this harsh to, I would have to rethink everything I said and ponder why the heck someone nice like you is that mad at me! (and yes, I do agree with you on all of it).

Also, people seem to hate the idea of Starfleet Academy because Discovery was really bad (for them…and me) and the future Discovery is now a part of is kind of not as interesting as it could be. And while I am one of those who do not want this show, I have to have an open mind.

I mean, when I heard they were doing an adult animation show, I was sure it would be bad. Lower Decks is one of my favorite shows. When I heard they were doing an animation show for kids, I thought it was nice but not for me. Well, that show is also one of my favorites. When I heard about Strange New Worlds, I was really mad that they were doing another prequel instead of going forward. I still hate prequels, but that show is good anyway! When I heard they were making Picard, I was so stoked! I thought it would be GREAT! But it really sucked (until season 3. Still not perfect, but perfectly enjoyable)

Moral of the story: I wish people would judge the final product instead of wasting energy about hating something they haven’t watched yet, and even worse, don’t know anything about it except the setting.

New characters or legacy characters shouldn’t matter. The stories and writing should matter. If a show is good, it’s good.

That being said, that line of thinking makes me really disappointed every time there is a new Discovery season lol But I still hope for the best for the last one!

Thats all entirely fair, to judge somethng once you have seen it. But counterpoint, unless Discovery somehow undoes the destruction of the Federation in it’s last season, I have no interest in the 32nd century in the slightest. Star Trek is supposed to be about how humanity gets better with time, not how a crying baby blew everything up.

Yeah I might have been a little too harsh but I’m only being honest. It’s very frustrating to try and have a discussion with someone who really isn’t here to have a discussion, just to keep repeating the same issue as if we are hearing it for the very first time.. again.

And she has responded to me directly over this dozens of times now in the same snarky tired fashion over and over again. Anytime someone says they like or want to see a legacy character it’s the exact same response (“FANS JUST WANT MORE LEGACY CHARACTERS AND NOSTALGIA”) when A. That’s just not true and B. She contradicts her own arguments time and time again. As I just pointed out she has given plenty of diatribes over her issues with Discovery but then oddly claims other people don’t like it because it doesn’t have legacy characters in it (which I disproved very easily that’s not the case). But then on the other direction she admits to liking SNW and LDS but then accused others of ONLY liking those shows because they carry nostalgia and more legacy characters.

It’s beyond baffling. How can you have a discussion with someone like this when their own argument is contradictory and loaded with fallacies.

But as I said Emily is just here to just rant about having legacy characters not to have a conversation about it. Notice not a single post she has ever made here remotely tries to do any give and take (“Ok I see your point here, but I disagree with you on the other because…”), it’s the same annoying argument no matter what anyone says (“THAT JUST PROVES FANS WANT MORE NOSTALGIA!!) and so on.

I’m sick of it. Some fans are just completely unselfaware with too much tunnel vision. She’s one of them.. It’s warped binary thinking and nothing else it seems. I have made multiple essays (like this one lol) citing her points agreeing with her on some things but disagreeing on others. It’s been a complete waste of time because she doesn’t engage in anything and it’s totally ignored in the next article, so why bother?. I don’t even think she reads anything anyone says. It just always comes back to the same conclusion every time.

And after a year of it, I’m sick to death of it. She can say what she wants, I just want it to be left out of it, that’s all.

And yes we see eye to eye on a lot of these shows. I admit I always been more skeptical of Discovery from the beginning, for being a prequel and just not really fitting into it’s time period very well. Those two issues have been resolved and yet I’m still having issues with it.

Picard I expected to love from the jump but every season has been messy and season 2 easily my worst season of Star Trek ever. Season 3 was better for sure but I still don’t think was amazing, just better when compared to the new shows. But decent IMO.

I was also skeptical of both animated shows but surprisingly they both won me over very fast. Oddly for me anyway they are probably the most consistent and strongest shows for their formats.

SNW I felt I would like from the start but I was still a little worried about it (especially after Picard lol) and for being yet another prequel. It’s not perfect and the canon issues really bugs me lol but it’s a good show overall IMO and just get back to basics. For me I would rate it around Voyager and Enterprise and I love both of those shows.

And yes people are reacting to Starfleet Academy more negatively because they either not fond of Discovery or the basic premise. I really do feel it’s more the latter than anything.

But end of the day, good Star Trek is good Star Trek. If it’s a prequel or a sequel, filled with legacy characters or totally new ones, NONE of that matters unless it’s just a good show on its own. And if it is people will respond positively to it even if it’s still not their cup of Earl grey.

NO, I don’t want an Academy series because it takes place in the Federation decimated future and I HATE that Discovery did that because of a baby with mommy issues.

‘baby with mommy issues’ I didn’t realize that a kid watching his mother die in front of him and being left alone with a bunch of holograms was something for that kid to just shrug at and ignore.

I must be a a bad parent then for teaching my daughter that she should care about people around her and not just act with apathy towards others.

Care is one thing. Having the power to destroy the galaxy but not having the power to control it is another. Word it any way you want, it was a STUPID plot device.

Personally I’ve no issues with the SFA show. (Apart from it being made by Secret Hideout which has a terrible track record and puts the show in a deep hole to begin with) I DO have issues with it set in the Discovery far future. That was a huge mistake. Feels like it was an attempt to keep the weak Star Trek Discovery characters going. I promise you some will still show up from time to time. One may even be a regular.

But I’m used to really bad ideas from SH.

Thats exactly how I feel. If you want to make an academy show fine. just don’t put it in Discovery’s destroyed future.

> Or, and here’s a wild idea… TELL NEW STORIES WITH NEW CHARACTERS. Push the franchise FORWARD, not backwards. It’s not difficult.

Yes and no — ordinarily I’d agree completely, but Picard Season 3 was a bit of a ‘greatest hits’ retrospective from top to bottom. As much as I wasn’t crazy about that, if there was ever going to be a more appropriate time for things like this to happen, it would be here. :P

How about Star Trek going forward and not just regurgitating movies and series around TOS, it is so tedious. Human Spock, Spock as a woman, singing Spock jeez ffs how bad is it gonna get. 25th century Trek is the only decent Trek so let’s not just keep going backwards. They are stagnating this franchise. Next Star Trek 90210, it just can’t get any worse surely?. A Star Trek show aimed at young adults that just don’t give a crap about it. Some here might not like Picard S3 but it it is so much better than the awful writing of SNW season 2. Also the characters and acting are much better than any Nu Trek series by quite a margin.

To be fair to her she has complained about SNW revolving door of TOS characters too. So she’s not being a hypocrite but just very very annoying at this point.

I have said the same thing about 50 times now, this is what NuTrek does. It’s not the 90s anymore, competition is more fierce today and Star Trek is behind a pay wall so you have to do whatever to get those subscribers.

There is a lot of fans out there that will only pay for these shows unless it’s a character they knew and grew up with, mostly casual fans.

Shows like SNW and Picard ONLY exist because they know there are old TOS and TNG fans that wants to see these characters back so they are obliging.

But same time they are in fact making new shows with new characters. Right????

I am so tired of having the same conversation about this again and again and again. Especially when you bring this up and it gets ignored until she repeats it again as if we’re talking for the first time.

I am so sick of her and I would have put on ignore months ago now. One guy in another thread was recently brutally slammed because people have gotten sick of having the same tired arguments with them because they just want to argue about useless topics over and over again.

She is no different. No one is forcing her to watch any of it . And I’m just sick of her. I really wish she would just leave me alone. She hasn’t had anything interesting to say since she’s been here. Some fans are just socially inept.

I have said the same thing about 50 times now, this is what NuTrek does. It’s not the 90s anymore, competition is more fierce today and Star Trek is behind a pay wall so you have to do whatever to get those subscribers.

Writing cringeworthy Star Trek…does not appear to have “gotten those subscribers.”

Well since both Picard and SNW have both made it in the top 10 Nielsen ratings multiple times they seem to have gotten at least a few.

But since they are making less Star Trek now and not more of it I guess it’s still not doing enough.

I agree about the shows casting older characters because they are a ratings draw! It’s not about loving it yourself. It’s about acknowledging that it exists. It’s also not just Legacy fans that want these characters to come back. I have heard on multiple different Star Trek sites fans wanting a remake of TOS. I myself don’t want to necessarily see it but that’s ok. The universe is big enough for us all!

I also think it’s important to point out that I don’t think the studios always want the shows featuring the older characters to be popular. I do think the studio wishes they had some other options, hence the Academy show. Actors for that will inevitably be cheaper than ones who have been around since the 90s. I definitely don’t envy the studios. A Star Trek fan is very hard to please!

Yep agreed on all of this. Yes fans just what they want but it’s not just old fans begging for more TNG era but also for more TOS. People want their comfort food.

I mean the fact we are still watching Sty Trek in itself speaks to that. It’s ALL nostalgia, period when you’re discussing a 57 year old franchise. It’s just a matter of degrees of how much nostalgia that’s being enlisted. For many just having a show taking place on a Starship is nostalgic enough. That’s why 5 out of 5 of the shows all take place on one today. At least in the classic era of shows one of them took place on a space station.

If I had it my way, we wouldn’t had any legacy characters back along with no prequels or reboots. No Kirk, Picard, Scotty, Janeway, Kira or Worf. Discovery would’ve been a show that took place in the mid 25th century with all new characters; which BTW many fans actually wanted. Very few were begging for another TOS or TNG redux or begging for it now. Most don’t have a problem starting anew, but many still want any show set in the Prime universe more than anything.

But the realities of streaming viewership dictates nostalgia and IP branding is the name of the game in every known franchise today. They just announced they are working on an X files reboot for Disney+ and a Harry Potter show is being made for HBO Max. None of this stuff will ever go away because yesterday’s childhood is today’s adulthood and everyone is reliving the past regardless.

‘Well since both Picard and SNW have both made it in the top 10 Nielsen ratings multiple times they seem to have gotten at least a few.’

I wonder what some fans will think when Discovery S5 is in the top 10 Nielsen ratings as well.

I mean whenever new episodes of Discovery have aired they are always in the top 10 on Paramount+ and i have no doubt S5 will be in the top 10 again and in the Nielsen ratings too.

Look at Lower Decks that is also in the top 10 on Paramount+ when new episodes air and it did on Amazon too but it never entered into the top 10 Nielsen ratings yet it still has been a big success for Paramount and for the Trek fandom.

It’s seem to me that the narrative that some try to paint that Discovery has lower viewer numbers are painting a false narrative.

I don’t know anything about the Paramount+ ranking because I never seen those. I had no idea LDS or DIS got higher rankings on that site when they aired new episodes. Not a shock but good to know.

And I’m only referring to Picard and SNW because those are the only shows that made it in the top 10 since Star Trek has been included last year. But no I won’t be shocked if Discovery makes it in the top 10 next year, especially because a lot of final seasons actually gets better views when networks/studios market them as such.

And of course it could just be in the top 10 without any of that. I don’t care either way, I just want to like the show more next season as I eventually did for Picard.

They weren’t really measuring viewership of the shows the same way when Discovery was the only game in town, but it seemed to do well for Netflix, and CBS All Access kept growing. Clearly Discovery contributed nicely to that, hence the renewals and our getting 4 more shows, 2 of which made the top 10s for multiple weeks. The shows are objectively popular. It’s no longer a matter of making popular Trek shows to get new subscribers – they’ve probably nabbed all they can. It’s about finding a balance for how to hold onto most of them without having to spend as much as they were when they had 3 big budget live action shows on top of 2 animated series all at the same time.

And I loved both Picard season 3 and SNW season 2 and looking forward to SFA. I actually pretty happy with what we been getting lately and I admit both of those seasons weren’t perfect but satisfying.

I am being cautiously optimistic about SFA but I am looking forward to it just because it is NEW CHARACTERS AND GOING FORWARD! Yeah it could definitely suck but until we just know more I’m being positive.

The irony is for me at least this has been some of the best Trek since the 90s and I have very little complaints these days. I love seeing all the legacy characters and really hope we get more but excited for any new characters as well.

I’m a happy camper. I’m hoping Discovery season 5 will continue my high and not kill it but I’m not as hopeful about that show sadly.

Good for you, I I have to admit Star Trek is more diverse than it has ever been. But to me now it is pretty awful and I have no optimism for any Star Trek Discovery spin offs let alone a teenage sit com Academy Discovery spin off. And those spin offs are no better than Discovery. SNW is just awful Sci Fi for me, the writing is utter crap, low time for Trek. It is sit com trash. Tbh there are so many better Sci Fi series than Trek right now so it’s not a big thing that Star Trek is crap right now.

And that’s totally fine. Some people take this stuff far too personally or seriously. They are just TV shows. If you gave them a shot but still hate them then yeah move on.

I have never hated a show. I think some have sucked lol but that’s a big difference from outright hating something.

If I hated something I wouldn’t be paying to watch it period and wouldn’t care it got cancelled. But I just want them to improve more than anything. And at least in my view in terms of NuTrek most of it has. But others like you see it differently and that’s completely valid.

I agree, but the hatred for Discovery and the love for SNW is mind boggling. SNW is not a better written series, it is just a nostalgia fest. I hate reboots and what Trek is doing now. I would not watch a TNG and DS9 reboot as it is Hollywood laziness. Like Emily said we need new characters and at least Discovery had that. I have more time for that than reboots or consistent prequels which is the staple for Trek right now.

It’s an interconnected sci-fi universe that’s been made over the course of nearly 60 years with an unbroken line of continuity. Even the “reboot” films are directly connected to these shows. That allows for all sorts of stories to be told – catching up with old characters and exploring new ones and new time periods and places. That’s a huge privilege, and since really only Star Wars and Doctor Who have a similar unique status, it’s not like there’s a ton of templates on the “right” way to grow and keep the franchise relevant, fresh, and appealing.

Star Trek is threading the needle rather well IMO. Discovery and Starfleet Academy mine a new time period. Picard, Prodigy and Lower Decks explore the post-TNG timeline, the latter two especially differently than Trek has ever done before. Strange New Worlds mines prequel territory. There may be old characters in the mix throughout, but they are accompanied by plenty of new ones. I think these shows are all different enough and favor a diverse Trek audience while still being able to appeal to us all. Whether the individual quality is judged to be up to snuff is another matter, but I prefer to think I’m lucky to even be able to consider scoffing at the idea of a DS9 continuation. So many other shows and movies never got to have all the possibilities Trek does as such a successful franchise.

You’re also right about just moving on. There is nothing wrong with just loving the shows you grew up with. If it’s making you miserable don’t feel the need to keep going! Focus on what makes you happy in Star Trek. If you do keep going try not to focus so much on the little things. Most importantly though try to keep the expectations low! The opinions on what makes Star Trek great vary widely! So never assume that they will ever meet what you have in mind.

I have to agree. Anything based in the baby federation killing Discovery timeline is a no go in my book. I’ll check it out but I have no expectations to like it.

Where did you hear about a female Spock being in the works? And Spock has always been half human? Additionally, Spock has both played musical instruments and sung before in Star Trek?

I’m pretty much on board with all you said there, Hammers. Right on.

Also wouldn’t Legacy be pushing the series forward and not backwards. SNW and the 2 animated series are the ones pushing the franchise BACKWARDS . Emily you just dislike TNG but your arguments have no substance. Picard was the only series pushing forward in my eyes.

TNG is my favourite tv show of all time.

And in what world is Picard S3, with *yet another* plot about the Borg, and cameos from Ro, Tuvok, Moriarty, Shelby and lots more ‘pushing the franchise forward’? They literally, copied the final scene of All Good things and just did it all over again. Season 3 couldn’t have bIt’s all so pathetic.

You think bringing the Enterprise-D back (via some nonsensical explanation) was pushing the franchise forward? Come on. Think!

We get it. You hated Picard you hated bringing back legacy characters. You do not have to mention it everytime an article appears. This is getting beyond tedious- and whatever you point you are trying to make has gotten hopelessly lost behind this caricature you’ve created. It’s beyond boring and it’s time for you to log off.

This article literally talks about legacy characters. I mean its an interview with Matalas, so what else is he capable of talking about, but if this isn’t the place to bring it up, where is?

Took the words out of my mouth

Its pushing the franchise forward because it is in the 25th century instead of the 24th. You say you love TNG as a metric but TNG had McCoy. Spock, and Scotty. Where is the difference?

Oh please, looking to the past as much as they did far outweighed the fact that it took place in the 25th.

TNG had McCoy, Spock and Scotty in ONE episode each out of 178. That’s the difference.

That’s not much of a difference at all when you consider modern streaming shows get 10 episodes per season at best and not the 20+ eps of TNG. And that none of the modern shows will ever get to 7 seasons. Also, I was referencing McCoy, Scotty and Spock specifically but the ties to TOS go WAY beyond that. Heck they practically duplicated a TOS episode with the Naked Now.

TNG legacy characters feature in 1/3rd of Star Trek Picard. TOS legacy characters feature in 1/60th of TNG. And a third of them was literally a two minute scene.

Again, TNG had the benefit of twice the number of episodes per season at the very least and ran for seven seasons which Modern streaming Trek will never do. So your ratios make no sense because the numbers are not similar across shows.

Also, what is even the big deal about bringing Ro or Tuvok back? Ro was ONE episode and Tuvok was one a literal two minute scene.

Besides, in universe, those cameos make sense. I can believe that Ro was let back in Starfleet after DS9 and Voyager vindicated the Maquis and the Cardassians nearly wiped them all out. Tuvok makes perfect sense because of Seven. Really, the only Picard character that doesn’t make sense is Data. The dude has died multiple times and keeps coming back for the most ridiculous reasons. THAT is the character I would be complaining about!

Moriarty’s cameo felt pointless to me, that I admit.

I’ve seen arguments lamenting that the Trek shows weren’t doing *more* crossovers when TNG seasons and movies, DS9, and Voyager overlapped at various points. That sense of regret seemed to peak when the MCU was all the rage, showing audiences could lap that up without difficulty and it could bolster storytelling opportunities. Rick Berman didn’t even want to see the Enterprise E on TV. Did that really benefit anyone?

Umm, you failed Maths didn’t you. The ratios are absolutely comparable.

I’ll put it another way so you can maybe understand….

TNG legacy characters feature in 20/60th of Star Trek Picard. TOS legacy characters feature in 1/60th of TNG.

20x more legacy characters in Picard than TNG.

Ro on her own, fine, Tuvok for one scene, whatever, but Shelby, Moriarty, Lore, Matalas wanted even more cameos. It’s all just so pathetic.

TNG ended 30 years ago. At that time there was only 79 episodes of TOS and 6 movies to call “legacy” and be nostalgic about. We’ve been blessed with hundreds more hours of Star Trek with an unbroken continuity over three decades. It’s not realistic or even in the franchise’s best interests to say it shouldn’t revisit any of its past stories or characters in various ways. Picard season 3 was a unique reunion event. Why not take it for what it was and enjoy seeing beloved characters back for one more ride? That’s better than practically shaming us by insinuating we’ve been brainwashed to expect and like that kind of nostalgia all the time. If it’s not a one off and they keep doing this for other shows then sure that’s a concern – but how Lower Decks and Prodigy handle callbacks and legacy characters is different than Picard, as is what Discovery and SNW did. And they’ve all contributed interesting new characters, ideas and narrative threads to Trek lore along the way.

It’s fine to be wary of how much the franchise leans on nostalgia and uses old characters for shortcuts, but it’s wrong to dismiss everything out of hand because Trek’s giant interconnected past is getting referenced and leveraged. There’s no one to be upset for – Trek is trying all manner of different approaches to storytelling with every show and there’s something within that for every fan new and old.

32nd Century is doa. In my opinion, the 25th interests me though.

I this is a bigger issue. People want to see more of the 25th century then the 32nd. Yes part of it has to do with having more legacy characters. The other part is that the 32nd century has been a crushing bore to many people and I’m one of the few who likes i

Seconded. I HATE the 32nd century where a crying baby destroys the Federation. Most ridiculous plot I have seen of not just Star Trek but any show EVER!

Sign me up for the Kira TV movie.

Your ‘wild idea’ has been happening. And your mileage may vary with those, imo.

Devotion to canon? You are alot of fun Emily!

Emily on the money here.

I don’t know why there is a resistance in giving an update to the stories of previous characters. Based on your attitude on this matter, we wouldn’t have had the movies featuring Kirk and crew, and THEY are the reason the franchise is as popular as they were, which warranted an update. PICARD, season 3, did a good job at doing an update, and reminded the fans as to why the TNG cast/crew are still as popular now as they were when first introduced.

Honestly, I kind of hope they never reveal the fate of the E, because referring to it vaguely like that going forward feels like an inside joke.

Yeah I’m not bothered by it either. That said you know in a year we will probably get a Worf novel that will chronicle that storyline lol.

Which is fine because I don’t consider books canon and won’t likely read it.

But you’re right.

It would be a bummer if the fate of the E was revealed in a novel, but I can see that happening…😞. I would ignore it.

*Sigh* These capital ships, which were once almost regarded as characters in their own right, have become so disposable that their ultimate fate can be brushed aside with an offhand joke. And a fairly lame offhand joke at that.

Shoot, even I, MUDD has got accurate though humorous references to the E being a lady and that they love her! I think I like that show more than most of you (mainly for the Spock/McCoy exchange at the top of the teaser, which was, amazingly enough, left off the CBS video club VHS.)

This demystifcation of the ship has got to be an offshoot of Harve Bennettization of Trek, where you crash one copter, you get in another one and keep going.

Yeah, that’s how Bennett described it when talking about Roddenberry’s negative reaction to the destruction of the Enterprise in TSFS, as a generational thing. During the Second World War, bomber pilots like Roddenberry gave their aircraft female names and decorated them with bawdy insignia. In the Korean War that Bennett (and my father) fought in, a plane was just a plane.

I wouldn’t place that on Bennet. It was shocking and a gut punch then. The problem came when it was repeated in Generations then Beyond. Then we get the complete creativity gap from Secret Hideout… The only difference there was there was less of an attachment to those ships. In the case of the D I was actually applauding it’s demise!

I agree with this, Roddenberry especially considered the Enterprise to be one of the main characters in the show and even gave it a she pronoun. I think the modern makers of Trek kind of want to stay away from humanization of technological things as much as they can or just see this extensive technological development to be a bad thing in general. This is partly why I believe they went with the destruction of the federation idea for 32nd century. In fact Roddenberry’s other show Andromeda had avatars of the ships so it was kind of the ultimate end-point of Roddenberry’s idea of the ship having its own personality/character.

I’m not so sure whether it’s a conscious effort on the part of the producers to de-emphasize technology or not. But now that I think of it, it is striking how little Trek productions utilize the “computer voice” as compared to TOS, even going back to the TNG era. In this era of increasingly sophisticated voice-activated AI you’d think it would be precisely the opposite.

Y’know, it might be a wonderful idea to have future writing staffs actually old story memos and writer guides to mine them for the parts that would still be of use going forward.

Plus go back to the FOR THE UNIFORM ep of DS9 to see how much fun it is to do scenes where orders have to be repeated and transmitted manually. If you’re going to go no-tech, really do it (like if they’d done VOYAGER without the endless shuttles and power to run the holodeck) for a stretch, then you have appreciation for the tech when you do go back to it.

Matalas wanted even more legacy characters, because of course he did. Cringe-tastic.

Cry? I’m laughing. It’s hysterical.

Given that S3 was supposed to be a one-off reunion, the legacy actor appearances were fine by me. Now when someone next tells me that we next have to use one of the precious new Star Trek series slots up for a whole series with a legacy flavor, and that Jack character who never worked for me — that’s when I agree with you 100%

I get your point – and agree, to a point.

But, by Season 3, this particular series needed all the cameo help it could get.

He hoped that the legacy characters would hide how devoid the show was of any original thinking. It did not work

I’m kinda on a similar page there. The cameos from known characters seemed to me to be little more than shiny objects to distract from the very weak story they put together. Well, the 2nd half at least. That first half was actually decent. Too bad they didn’t leave it with that and flush out the Founders situation and ignore all the Borg garbage.

To me the only way that should have been done was as a huge event with as many DS9’ers and Voyagers included as possible. And try to give every one of them something important to do.

Also, the idea of turning Naomi Wildman into yet another cliche “badass” warrior woman would have just been tired. Too bad the writers at SH weren’t capable of coming up with something more unique and interesting.

While I would’ve gotten a kick out of seeing live-action Janeway again, I had always assumed the Jeri Ryan/Kate Mulgrew mutual dislike might’ve been the reason why Mulgrew didn’t make a cameo. Have they appeared anywhere together in recent years?

This has been settled long long ago now. Mulgrew apologized to Ryan and they are friends now. They appeared together at conventions for several years now.

I always bring up the fact half the TOS cast hated Shatner for decades, especially George Takai. It didn’t stop any of them appearing in seven movies with the guy, countless conventions and other appearances from commercials to video games.

This is Hollywood, it happens all the time. Most put aside their differences and just do the work.

Yes they have and all is fine now, so I’m sure that wasn’t the reason.

Although I get Terry’s reasoning (besides the money thing), I still feel Janeway would’ve been a better choice than Tuvok as it was Janeway who liberated Seven from the Collective and to have her finally promote Seven to captain would’ve been so fulfulling (full circle – pun intended) and emotional.

That’s long, long, long since been resolved as far as I’m aware.

I think the Enterprise E is most likely in quarantine and infested with tribbles. I hope we get a “Lower Decks” episode explaining this!

…at least that would be an on-screen explanation.

HA! We already had a Prodigy ep explaining it. The E-E was in the battle n the season finale of that show and got decimated. How the powers that be don’t know this, I have no idea.

“ The question is almost better than the answer.” – I don’t love everything TM has done but he’s spot on w/ this statement. Something prequel-ers could learn from

It’s not even that original. It reminded me of what DS9 did when Worf was asked about the Klingons in Trials and Tribbleations. Again, the question was better than the answer and was great that Worf didn’t explain it. I found it entertaining then. The redo… Not so much.

Yes, exactly. Agreed.

> But Prodigy was telling a lot of Voyager stories and we didn’t know if Harry was going to appear and we didn’t want to step on their toes.

That’s completely fine, but do the Prodigy folks not have, say, a telephone? Kinda bounce the idea off them. Maybe they’d integrate it into their own plans. I know the timing probably doesn’t work out, as far as writing, since this stuff can be years out, but I’m just kind of surprised at how often I hear how… isolated… these folks seem to be on a series of shows that take place so close to each other temporally.

Exactly. Not only that it was reported that all the show runners get together every year to discuss their storylines and what potential legacy characters they plan to use and in what way.

That’s literally why Okona had an eye patch on Lower Decks because McMahan has a discussion with the producers of Prodigy and told them they were going to use the character and he lost an eye so it was incorporated on his show as well.

So I’m very confused why this wasn’t brought up with them, especially since we don’t know if Kim will be on Prodigy. And unless they planned to kill the character or something I think they could’ve had a conversation and work something out.

That’s completely fine, but do the Prodigy folks not have, say, a telephone?

Just maybe all of this is yet another argument against cultivating Star Trek series like mushrooms.

Quality, not quantity.

oh you had to go and bring up mushrooms…..

The most important thing would be following up on project Phoenix, and giving Kirk a better fate. I don’t even care if it’s animated like prodigy. I really would love to see that story.

Not every character needs to go out in a blaze of glory. He helped save an entire planet. That’s enough.

I’ve never had the problem with Kirk’s death that most have. Honestly I thought it was fine.

Same. Maybe HOW he died could’ve been better but I never had a single issue with the intent or the outcome. He’s been dead for literally 30 years now in real time and the Star Trek timeline. The franchise has moved on long ago.

I had no issues that Kirk was intended to die, but HOW it happened is what I have issues with. Kirk deserved the same end that Spock had in ST II. The problem was Berman’s ego and the fact that the writers produced a subpar script after having been exhausted from writing both Generations and All Good Things at the same time.

I didn’t mind that Kirk died, but on a bobsleigh ride? That’s pretty underwhelming lol

I thought it was Home Depot scaffolding…lol

OMG, YMMV, but that was one of the lamest death scenes in movie history. Just unforgivable, lazy writing. And Malcom McDowell said so as well — in fact, he could not believe that Shatner or somebody on set did not speak up about it.

Shatner should have never accepted to do that movie. Even the test audiences tore it apart.

I have to agree with this, as much as I hated the way they took JTK out. And it was 30 years ago now. It’s over. It’s canon. It sucks.

It’s canon that Spock died. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t come back

Not every character, but Captain Kirk — yes, if he has to die in a movie, then it 100% needs to be in a much more meaningful way than Bridge on the Captain.

Look at the way Spock died — that’s how you do it.

Not even close. Kirk’s death was so bad that “dropped a bridge on him” became a hollywood saying for a character that is unceremoniously offed. I feel quite confident in this particular case to say you are in the minority in your view of Kirk’s death. Also, Berman originally had it planned to have Kirk literally shot in the back. It’s pretty clear where the powers that be were with that character.

> That’s way more fun. Somebody can tell that story some day about what happened with Worf and the Enterprise-E but it’s more fun to imagine yourself all the possibilities. Is it lost in an interdimensional rift and it’s still out there somewhere? Was it an accidental self destruct? Who knows? The question is almost better than the answer.”

Good call; and it also had the advantage of being almost a spiritual callback to “we do not discuss it with outsiders” as a hand-wave in the face of a huge question.

Of course whether it’s follow-up on Enterprise where they actually answered the question was a good idea or not is up to you. Personally, while it was completely unnecessary and probably unwise, I thought they did a decent job crafting a story out of it.

So while I hope they never answer where the E went, I’m not above entertaining an interesting story about it should one happen to crop up some day.

Cancel everything. Give Matalas all the money. Give him creative control. He gets it.

And let’s get Shatner back. The chances of this happening are getting ever slimmer.

He gets what exactly? How to involve legacy characters at the expense of pushing the franchise forward?

It’s so pathetic how Trek has stagnated these past few years, and how fans don’t even care.

FIVE shows in production at one time is Stagnant?

You don’t understand the definition of that word do you?

I agree Star Trek is stuck in its own past. Have we seen a single show in the past 7 years that wasn’t full of references and callbacks? Nope. Disco S1: the entire thing, callbacks. S2, more so. S3 and 4 actually push the universe forward, but half the fans despise the show and don’t care anymore. Picard S1-3: laden with references. Lower Decks: nothing but references. Prodigy: Voyager sequel. SNW: all references. It’s just pathetic. Where is quality, original writing in Star Trek these days? Answer: nowhere to be found, and won’t be for a while.

I don’t know why I have to keep reminding people of this but you just described every Trek show ever minus TOS. TNG had McCoy, Spock, and Scotty. DS9 had frequent crossover eps with TNG and a revisit of Trouble with Tribbles. Voyager started at Quark’s Bar and had Sulu. Enterprise (pathetically) had it’s series finale with Riker and Troi. Enough with the bad “stuck in it’s own past schtick. It’s old and boring.

I don’t know why I have to keep reminding people of this but you just described every Trek show ever minus TOS. TNG had McCoy, Spock, and Scotty. DS9 had frequent crossover eps with TNG and a revisit of Trouble with Tribbles.

I disagree quite strongly. McCoy’s appearance in TNG was a cameo that lasted what, two minutes, and was intended to act as a symbolic passing of the torch. Scotty’s episode was one out of about 200, as was Spock’s. Moreover, “Unification” was hardly steeped in nostalgia. It featured (1) Sarek dying of dementia, and (2) Spock at least facially defecting to the Romulans.

Much the same was true of Picard’s appearance on DS9. It was the passing of the torch, and it featured the new captain, Sisko, with a *chip on his shoulder* against Picard, at that. “Trials and Tribulations” was again one episode out of about 200 and intended to celebrate a milestone anniversary for the franchise. (Bashir’s appearance in one TNG episode and Quark’s in another were more gratuitous and unnecessary, but they were mercifully short.)

It was never remotely the all-nostalgia, all-the-time crossover fest of modern Star Trek.

it’s also stagnant in that there seems to be a complete lack of moral, meaning, and message in the new episodes, less so with SNW, but there’s not a ton there. It’s all plot plot MacGuffin, plot. Disco and Picard are really just action movies drawn out across 10 episodes. That’s not really the heart of Trek imo

I’d say Discovery hammers home morality and messaging quite a bit amidst the action, it just doesn’t always do it very artfully.

TNG literally copied a TOS episode with the naked now. There were several references to the OG Enterprise. the Enterprise D was a spiritual continuation of the idea of the Enterprise A, etc… McCoy might have been there for a hot second but Relics was centered around Scotty and Spock has a brief appearance in Unification and starred in Unification II, which in turn was a slight tie in to Star Trek VI.

Also As I have pointed out to others here, TNG had over 20 eps per season and seven seasons, neither of which is ever going to happen on a modern day show. So of course the cameo type characters are going to stand out more in a show which has WAY less content.

And I even forgot to mention Sarek who mind melded with Picard and had a forever influence on him.

DS9 had a bit more in the crossover department though. Q, Vash, Worf, Gowron, Tom Riker, Tuvok, Kurn, Alexander, Lursa and B’Etor.

Beyond the pilot crossovers, Voyager additionally had Q, Riker, Troi, Barclay (a lot), Sulu, Rand, the wayward Ferengi from The Price, the Borg Queen, and Geordi.

It was all over the span of way more episodes than the new shows, but at the time the only thing I raised an eyebrow over was how often Troi and Barclay kept showing up on Voyager. I am fine with interconnectedness. I think the small universe problem is more confined to shoehorning Spock into Discovery and bringing back so many TOS characters for SNW right down to having a relative of Khan in the crew.

TNG featured McCoy, Kirk and Spock and even the second episode was a complete remake of a TOS episode. Was that pathetic?

THIS! As I have reminded others, the TNG ep with Spock wasn’t just a Spock cameo, it directly referenced ST VI when Undiscovered Country was in theaters. DS9 had not only TNG crossovers but Trials and Tribulations. VOY had the Star Trek VI reference was will with Sulu. Enterprise (admittedly badly) had Riker and Troi in it’s series finale. But somehow most if not all of that was acceptable while modern Trek shows are being blamed for measuring it’s success on nostalgia. News flash, THEY ALL DID THAT!

TNG never showed Kirk. It mentioned him, causally in passing, twice. It showed McCoy for less than two minutes. And the Spock it showed was a serious character study of a radically changed, wizened, 80-years-later historical figure — not a theater-of-the-absurd farce of him mounting a saddle and shouring “Riker manuever” as if he were doing a poor imitation of Slim Pickens.

That wasn’t Spock, that was Boimler.

Spock’s appearance in Unification I and II wasn’t just ended there. His role forever changed the Romulans, even for Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek Picard. It’s not just the amt of screen time or mentions a character has, it’s the influence. And Spock influenced the 24th century more than most of the TNG cast did. The TOS influence on TNG is undeniable.

Yeah, The Naked Now was pathetic, I would say.

As for the characters, I thought the appearance of McCoy was short and sweet — exactly how these things should go. But I’m not a fan of TNG’s use of Kirk or Spock. Generations was a mess and poor Nimoy had a stilted contractual obligation look all over his face in Unification.

So, about two-thirds “pathetic,” I guess. But maybe underwhelming is a better word.

How exactly is the 25th century not pushing the franchise forward? The last time we had an all new set of characters in live action we got Discovery. And that worked out soooooo well! /s

The best I think we could hope for from Shatner would be a voice role now – even though he looks fantastic for a 93 year old – and even then it would probably have to be a flashback or holodeck thing. My favorite character of not only Trek but any television show, but I feel that ship, and HIS ship, has sailed.

Shatner has already done a lot for the franchise. So I think it’s maybe better to let someone else stand in the spotlight for a bit.

What exactly will Shatner be doing? Hosting a documentary?

It wouldn’t be the first time.

He gets nothing

Except how to make an emmy award winning show that has re energised a franchise.

The thing is though with a show called Picard you kind of expect these callbacks, as a concept it can never be a fully original show because it deals with a character we’ve seen for 7 years before. This is a general symptom of the loss of creativity in the entertainment sector in general. I mean what was the last truly original show or movie you watched in the last 10-15 years? I can’t even remember. Discovery had the right idea but lacked in the execution department. Discovery created some cool original characters like Lorca, Tyler, Saru, Stamets, Reno, Kovich, Admiral Vance etc… but haven’t managed to used them as effectively as they could, instead focusing mostly on the needless emotional stuff for the most part.

Okay I totally get that Janeway was being considered for a cameo. But then after that you absolutely have to go to Nana Visitor next, who unlike Kim played a major character, and who also has been so great to the fans over the years, and would still look and perform fantastic and her iconic role as Kira.

In fact I’d put Nana first in line given Janeway is already on an existing Star Trek show. And although I really enjoyed Ro showing up in that great cameo, they easily could have figured out a way for that character to have been Kira instead in that role — again preferring a major character over a secondary one and getting a DS9 original main cast member involved.

You know, they only have so many slots to bring back some of these older actors who played major roles in past Star Trek series, so I think Kurtzman and company should be bringing back characters that aren’t already on one of the existing series — and also major characters need to be in the front of this line before they get to supporting characters.

No. Kira had no prior history with Picard. Ro did. That was absolutely the right call.

Well for me that was a relatively minor scene. You may differ, but I’m not one of those fans who was always hoping for a Ro-Picard reunion to heal their relationship.

I have mixed feelings about how Picard handled most of the DS9 stuff. I definitely wanted to see more of the characters considering that the story dealt with the Federation/Dominion war. There was a whole scene where they showed Odo and talked around him but never said his name! It was quite weird. On the other hand, the ending of DS9 was so great, I am not sure I need to see where the characters are now. I am okay with how it ended and that’s saying a lot for any tv show.

I am not surprised that the budget played such a huge factor in who they could and couldn’t get. Some people are just going to be beyond what you can afford. So it’s better to focus on what you can. I do think the storyline with Naomi would have been quite interesting given that when we last saw her she was quite gung ho for the Federation. I wonder how coming home changed all of that? It would have been nice to see Harry Kim get promoted and actually get some future info on him. Although I am glad they did manage to get Tim Russ. I always liked his portrayal of Tuvok and was disappointed that his storylines seemed to drop off after a certain point in time. Also Tim and Jeri had great chemistry on screen. Not the romantic kind just the co-workers kind and yet it really worked. So it was nice to see it briefly in Picard.

I would have loved to see a ds9 character (IMO Worf doesn’t count). Instead we got a vague reference to Odo at best. But this was a season about Changelings. No one knows more about them than Kira!

Good point on the Changelings — that seems so obvious a great fit for Picard S3 now that you’ve brought it up.

Yuppers, Kira literally melded with a changeling (Odo). She came closer to knowing the Great Link than any solid ever has!

Also, ironically, Kira was originally intended to be Ro in DS9 till Michelle Forbes turned down the offer.

I expected Captain Kirk to be in season 3 revived, either working for the Borg against Picard or working for section 31.

Well Matalas did say that the scene with Kirk’s revived body in status was inspired by the Shatnerverse, in which exactly what you talk about happened.

You know, given Shatner said he’s be OK with a future AI version of him being created so long as his family is compensated — this kind of gives the plot device for that to happen, right?

Heck, if he is fine with it who are we to argue LOL.

You can’t get ten pounds of s**t in a five pound bag, that’s why….

Considering bag sizes are based on volume, not weight, I could see some very dense s**t weighing 10 pounds fitting into a bag designed for 5 pounds of typical density s**t. For example, Mountain Lions have the most dense s**t of all mammals.

Hope you can swing back around to Star Trek someday, Terry.

You’ve got plenty of time. You’re 48 but you look 27 FFS. (What the hell.)

I’m satisfied with what we got in S3. My head canon did have Harry Kim commanding Voyager-B.

I doubt Kate and Jeri would do a scene together, especially with their past conflicts. But, money talks.

Kate apologized to Jeri and they appear together often, what are you on about?

If you needed to free up time for Naomi, might I suggest getting out of the nebula one episode sooner?

…..or ditching episode six entirely.

I love the way this guy thinks. He tried to get everyone he could in S3 without sacrificing story or breaking the budget. Leaving the fate of the Ent. E ambiguous was a smart and intriguing move. His love for the franchise is contagious, and he knew he had just one season, one shot to arrange a proper send off for the TNG crew, and imo he did so in spades. I was happy with every cameo we received. I know this is a divided subject here, but I for one would love to see what Terry would do with more time and resources. Cheers!

and you must have watched a different S3 to everyone else

Clearly. Me and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people as well, apparently.

Why do you think you speak for “everyone else?” You don’t. The season had it its flaws, but S3 was a heck of a ride.

There was a story?

I’d say 7/10 of it had a story. Then they completely dropped it and went off the rails at the end.

I’m glad that budgetary reality reigned Matalas in. This was supposed to be a send-off for TNG, not an occasion for endless cameos from VOY and DS9. Harry Kim was a peripheral, bland character in any event and would have detracted from the series. Frankly, I could have done without Tuvok’s cameo as well.

Seven, of course, is a bit different; as an ex-Borg, there was indeed a great untold story about her meeting Locutus, and I’m glad we saw it. Had Auberjonois still been with us, an Odo appearance would have been organic, too.

I agree. Star Trek has long suffered from small universe syndrome. Additonal cameos would have only added to the problem.

Small universe syndrome is something plaguing the franchise. With the exception of this thread’s premise, of course. Just my opinion, lack of confidence, experience and depth in the writing. We keep going back to Kirk, Spock, etc., prequel, prequel. And any new character (mostly) is one-dimensional and just there to satiate a studio’s obligation. Sorry, this may get some blowback. Cheers.

Though I enjoy the occasional familiar guest star (Scotty in TNG, Sulu in Voyager, Ro in that one episode of Picard), there is a limit, just like with everything. It can work when it’s done strategically and organically. But the way a lot of recent Treks have done it, I don’t know, seems to me like they’re shaking the old Star Trek Encyclopedia and seeing what falls out.

I loved the way how TNG era shows use to handle their legacy cameos, where it was a tradition to have a cameo from a previous show in the pilot episode of the new show (In fact Stargate continued this tradition too) I wished the new shows would do the same, just get their cameos for the pilot and for the rest of the show maybe only small mentions or appearances.

Yep, exactly.

That would mean no Ambassador Spock and no Romulan Unification, no Star Trek 2009+, etc… You are underestimating the importance these cameos can have.

Oh the cameos did have importance, but also the point was not that. The point is that they were generally used as sparingly as possible. Of course the bigger problem here seems to be that serialized 10 episode arcs don’t seem to suit Star Trek in general. It needs to have at least 13 episodes, even if it is serialized.

It’s not just franchise fatigue but it’s a generational aspect that all the producers now “grew up” with the legendary characters. So they have opportunities to work with those charatcers in ways the producers before never did. It’s not just a cash grab, it’s genuine. Just… as in relationships, I had a rule: never go back.

That’s all well and good. But show me a franchise that doesn’t do this? I remember a time when Friends, Mad About you, and Seinfeld all crossed over with one another and put all of those characters in the same universe. I didn’t see any complaining when Paul Reiser was Kramer’s land lord or Hellen Hunt saw Lisa Kudrow (Phoebe not Ursula) at Central Perk.

I don’t think anyone is making the case that Trek should never do this, rather it’s about how they go about it, and how often. And lately, in my opinion, they’ve been drunk on cameos and references. It’s all a bit sweaty and pandering, like one of those sitcoms you mentioned back in the day having a surprise guest appearance during sweeps week. Only now the sweeps never end.

But why? IMHO bringing Ro back spoke to Picard’s inner struggles with his past that have been the thesis of this entire series. Bringing Tuvok back for a few moments made just as much sense as having Seven in Picard from the start since they are both VOY characters.

IMO the character that makes the least sense is Data. He’s died a handful of times now and keep coming back. And unlike Spock, it wasn’t earned. there was no sacrifice in bringing him back like David dying and the destruction of the Enterprise in ST III

I was happy to see Michelle Forbes, though.

until she blew up

Yeah. That parks sucked. But at least it informed the audience that all bets are off and no one is safe. Except for Data of course which seems to have more lives than Spot.

Yeah the Tuvoc cameo felt shoehorned in, and a Harry Kim cameo? Really?

For my money they should’ve dumped Vulcan Gangster in favor of Naomi Wildman, which would been far more interesting.

Come to think of it, they could have saved a lot of money on Amanda Plummer, too. She was great, but the character went nowhere. I guess that’s a shot I’m taking at the writing.

Definitely agreed.

I felt bad for her. She did the best she could given the writers gave her a cardboard, silly, baddie.

Yeah, I’d have been just fine with fewer cameos and stunt casting in favor of making room for Rios, Soji, and Elnor.

I was kind of expecting them to connect Plummer’s character with her fathers characters from Star Trek 6 somehow, but you are correct in the end the character just fizzled out.

That would have been cool.

Vulcan gangster and ferengi gangster were easily the best thing about this lame show

Scarlett Pomers is apparently out of acting. There would have been plenty of fans wanting her head on a pike if they recast the character.

” Star Trek  Avengers: Endgame ” Dear GOD, Please make this happen !

LOL Ironic considering Kevin Feige named Avengers: Endgame based on the VOY finale and All Good Things was his inspiration for the time travel exploits of the Avengers.

ok, listen, Picard was great but are we still really talking about it a year after it aired?

Agree. It’s time to move on, for better or worse (and for one, I fear it’s going to be worse). :)

What else is there to talk about? Everything else bites.

Maybe we should talk about the past. Anyone want to do a thread on Bantam and early Pocket Trek novels? Has anybody here actually read Mack Reynolds’ MISSION TO HORATIUS? I ask because I couldn’t make it through myself. It’s the first original TREK novel outside of SPOCK MUST DIE and I guess it hinges on LSD being dumped into a planet’s water supply. It was in my Jr. High School’s library, back before such things got frowned upon by narrow and closed minds.

It really is getting stale at this point.

Only the folks with a real hard on for season four….

PIcard is the last season of Trek we got. I’m sure next month when Discovery airs all the topics here would move to that.

Terry could always make some Short Treks for Star Trek Legacy, have a Voyager Homecoming story, Captain Proton, Seven and a older (Recast) Naomi Wildman, Scarlett Pomers is off the grid unfortunately and many more

I’d love to see a Legacy short trek!

GOOD I am so glad they didn’t get their hands on Naomi and ruining another wholesome character and turning her into a violent psychopath murderer like they did with Seven. I’ll never get over the character assassination they did to Seven. Completely shameful.

7 was not just a bloody thirsty killer here, there were reasons why she went there but was worthy of being captain of the Enterprise by the end.

How would you feel if someone murdered a person who is essentially your adopted child? Brashly calling her a “psycopath murderer” is clearly now what Seven is in the slightest.

Why are we asking where the Enterprise E is? It was very clearly decimated in the season finale of Prodigy.

I get worried for legacy characters in “Nu-Trek” it is like the star cameos in 1970s Irwin Allen disaster movies, which ones make it out alive

LOL, like before you know it, Kate Mulgrew is the George Kennedy of Star Trek.

Just the other night I watched the first movie George Kennedy was ever in, “Lonely Are The Brave,” starring Kirk Douglas. George was quite the force.

OK, now I am going to watch that — I bought it on Blu-Ray a couple of years back but never got around to watching it — thanks!

Cool – good film.

You couldn’t turn left or right at a theater in the mid-70s without seeing Kennedy in a movie. One month he had AIRPORT 1975 and EARTHQUAKE, both with Heston, and that was probably between THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT and THE EIGER SANCTION.

He didn’t phone it in either — even when he was stuck in a superturkey like CONCORDE-AIRPORT 79, he really seemed to be trying. The stewardess from the movie is from EMANUELLE and she actually has a line like ‘you pilots are such men!’ Kennedy’s reply: they don’t call it the cockpit for nothing. Having his ground engineer character turn into a pilot in the fourth movie in a series seemed pretty out there, but geez, then he and Delon are putting the Concorde through barrel rolls, followed by an emergency landing that makes Star Trek V”s fx look good by comparison. At one point, while flying upside down, Kennedy opens the side vent on his window and distracts a nearby missile by firing a flare.

God, that is such a terrible flick — about 20 years ago I found a vhs copy at Movie Madness in Portland to show my wife, and she admitted that it was as bad as I had implied, but then asked why I felt compelled to show it to her anyway!

Guess I just wanted to share my pain, and gain strength from the sharing.

Good stories. I actually have the Airport boxed Blu-Ray set that I got in a bargain bin years back — still haven’t watched any of those.

I did get the Action Jackson blu-ray based on your recommendation a couple of weeks back — I will let you know what I think when I get to watching it.

You’ve never seen Captain Picard and Captain Stubing together, have you? Makes you wonder just how badly the time lines been polluted….

I dunno about Picard, but I personally believe that Discovery and SNW exist within the altered timeine of the Temporal Cold War but both will eventually be undone when Archer reverses everything and ends the war. It’s entirely possible Picard is as well.

But yeah, for me, I would have had as many as we could get. 

This quote illustrates a major problem with Trek today. Instead of coming up with a good story first, and then perhaps finding one or two ways to highlight some past characters, it’s a quantity over substance bling thing to shoehorn in all the old fogies they can get to service the fans.

On SNW, it’s “were going to take some huge swings.” On JJ-Trek, it’s, “the Enterprise needs a more muscle car look.”

I just want some good Star Trek. Season 1 of SNW was awesome, then we got the big swings thing with the crossovers and musical nonsense. Then Picard S3, while comforting from a reunion aspect, went way overboard on the silly space opera stuff.

Just tell some Star Trek stories. No more bling, gimmicks and faux Star Wars please!

this may be the last time with these characters s why not get in as many legacy faces as you can with this last season. luckily circumstances helped to ease up on ‘fan service’ in this case.

I agree, provided this was truly the last time — I mean, the acting was great and the reunion aspects are why I appreciated it, even though I thought the story and action was not great Star Trek.

Welp with Ro at least unless they pull a “data” on her, she is going to stay dead.

I like space opera. To each their own…

I think Tuvok was a better choice than Janeway for this last scene. Janeway would have overshadowed that scene. Also, it was cool to see Tuvok since he has a good connection with Seven as well in Voyager. Seven had the best arc of the season and that was an amazing yet simple scene. I really want a Captain Seven show!

Yes it’s funny: people want a Seven show, people want a Riker show, they want a Worf show – but no one says: I want a Tuvok show. A Tuvok show would be rad!

I agree as well. Almost all Trek characters could lead their own show. It’s just that for me, we have invested some time during these three seasons of the Picard show on Seven to watch her arc (most impressively in season 3) and get the chair. With the exception of Riker, we have never witnessed a captain’s journey as thoroughly as Seven’s. I guess you could say that SNW is showing Kirk’s journey, but his own ambition is what drove him. Same with Picard and Janeway. Sisko was promoted but still did the same job and commander. Archer was a lead on the NX-01 project. Burnham had a good path, but then I don’t know what happened. And now she’s co-captain with Saru? Anyway, I hope for a Captain Seven show mostly because her path to the chair was the most interesting of any captain I’ve seen before, and we actually watched it unfold.

Tuvok and Suder cop show plz

Matalas is wrong, VERY wrong. The fans deserved to know definitively what happened to the Enterprise-E. Choosing not to reveal the fate of an Enterprise? Bad move, Matalas. Bad move.

You seem pretty heavily invested in knowing. I don’t really care. Maybe she went out heroically, or in a really bad space dock accident. It doesn’t matter.

The really bad space dock accident made me think of GALAXY QUEST, thanks!

Either way it would have just been a line of throwaway dialogue. Would it really have made a difference in the scene? It was going to be the D, never the E, that we reunited with. The way it was written, allowing Michael Dorn to be funny, was perfect.

That last scene was so obviously written for Janeway, you could feel her presence until Tuvok appears. Don’t get me wrong, I love Tuvok and I am so glad that he survived being replaced by a changeling, but that secene was a Janeway scene.

Lol, that Naomi Wildman idea is so unbelievably bad. Agree with the Enterprise E stuff though, more fun to leave it to the audiences imagination.

Nobody will ever be able to convince me that Voyager was not the correct choice of ship for the encounter with the borg at the end of Picard.

The only brought out the 1701D because it was a TNG fan service thing.

Voyager was faster, more maneuverable, it’s computers were more powerful, it’s weapons were comprable, and there’s not a ship in the fleet that has ever destroyed more Borg, and proven herself up to the task, than Voyager.

Janeway got lucky , should really have not engaged the Borg and sort to protect her crew instead.

Her victories over the Borg Queen actually diminished the menace and threat posed by the Collective.

The part about Voyager destroying Borg cubes is only true if the upgrades to the ship from alt timeline Janeway remained intact. From what we saw of Voyager in Picard S3 I doubt that is the case.

I am sort of glad Kim and Janeway didn’t appear. It would have felt like they were just shoe-horned into the episode. And we have Janeway on Prodigy. And it was great to see Shelby again. Picard season 3 honoured many TNG characters and keeping it to the TNG universe was a good thing. And I think everyone loved the Enterprise-E jokes.

Picard was garbage. Just let the old man die already.

Wow. You must be so delightful to be around.

It’s Ok, Terry, I can’t afford Kate Mulgrew either when she’s at a convention.

I get that they only had so much money but you really could’ve saved a lot by cutting the entire Raffie subplot. I would’ve rather had Worf going solo as some sort of Klingon Ronan. I dislike that character immensely

It is such a shame to hear about someone who clearly had so many plans for the show, and certainly executed very many of them. But it is hard to hear that we could have had so much more if they had the time and the money. Surely the people in charge must have known that this was VERY MUCH WORTH BOTH! Could you have imagined a Star Trek Endgame situation.

Say Picard got a full 24 episode season, which would have been like all my Christmas’ come at once. Say this time the Borg have found a way to modify their Transwarp hub technology which now let’s them travel to any point in Time as well as Space in only a few moments. Eventually after the TNG crew is back together we find out that destroying any part of the hub wouldn’t matter as the gateways exist throughout all of time and their exit points, like wormholes don’t exist until their are used. Or some other technobabble.

Eventually we learn that this Temporal Transwarp hub has a central power source, of sorts. A focal point in which the whole Network runs through. But getting to it is tricky because due to its nature it exists across all of time and the only to destroy it would be a combined effort with ships baring a different temporal signature. So from a different time. So Data and Geordi cook up a fancy temporal message beacon that transmits the plan across all of time. By this time The Borg, with a massive fleet are advancing on Earth, Kronos, Romulus, Cardassia and many others, but for Earth thanks to Fleet Week FINALLY Earth has more than just The Enterprise In range to assist. So the entire fleet is present and we get a cool shot of Fleet Admiral Janeway ordering all ships to move into Earth Defence Formation Alpha.

Similar to First Contact we cut back the The Enterprise D and hear the ordering of Earths defences into place. Picard and crew feel they can do no good here so contemplate heading to Earth to join its defence. Even though The Borg can bring in ships from across all of time so they can keep throwing ships at Earth with almost no end. Plus a Borg Armada is also only moments from arriving at the focal point.

As they are about to leave Data picks up spikes in Tachyon in their area. Dozens of Temporal anomalies begin to form. Picard believes they are more Borg, sent from another tomecto stop them. But Data decents various signatures from the incoming ships, Federation signatures, Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, Andorian and even some Ferengi. Enter famous ships from all of Trek history.

Kirk’s TOS era Enterprise, The Refit Enterprise A, Sisko’s Defiant, Janeways Voyager, Archer’s Enterprise Refit, Pike’s SNW era Enterprise (Kinda messy canon here but it’s fanfiction so all good), Burnham’s Discovery (Big groan I know but its part of Trek history), A younger TNG crew on the Enterprise E, Commander Tomalok with Romulan Warbirds, Ambadassor Sovak with a small Vulcan fleet (And a sly nod to the ENT nonsense that The Vulcan Science academy still doesn’t accept time travel), Shran with some Andorian ships, General Martok and Gowron with a Klingon Fleet, Gul Dukat and Cardassian Ships etc etc. You get the idea.

Similar to, and a nod to, the TNG finale all the famous Federation ships must fire some sciency beam at the focal point to collapse it. Then all present would return to their time and the Borg temporal transwarp hub would be destroyed.

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Celebrating the Ships of the Line: USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E

The U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D was destroyed in the Battle of Veridian III in 2371, but it would not, of course, be the last ship called the Enterprise. The U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-E, constructed at the San Francisco Fleet Yards, was launched on stardate 49827.5 in 2372. Captain Jean-Luc Picard and most of his crew from the D returned to crew Starfleet's latest Federation Sovereign-class starship, which had 24 decks and measured 685 meters long.

The E was little more than a year into a series of shakedown operations when it was called into action and participated in what came to be known as the Battle of Sector 001, involving the Borg. Later, Picard's Number One pulled off what came to be referred to as the Riker Maneuver. The ship underwent a refit at one point; the precise date is unknown, but it occurred between 2375 and 2379. Changes include new nacelle pylons, additional phaser arrays and aft-facing photo torpedo tubes, upgraded bridge consoles, etc. Five more decks were added as well and the ship was equipped with an Emergency Medical Hologram (EMH). The E later underwent another extensive refit and repair job following damage it sustained for a violent clash with Shinzon and his ship the Scimitar; during that conflict the Enterprise actually rammed directly into the Scimitar. As of 2379, the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E was still on active duty. StarTrek.com 's look at the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E continues our ongoing celebration of the Ships of the Line, which will carry on from now until the end of the year. The latest in the bestselling Ships of the Line calendar series is available now; visit www.Amazon.com to purchase the 2015 Ships of the Line calendar.

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How Star Trek's Newest Enterprise Leapt From Video Games to TV

How star trek 's newest enterprise leapt from video games to tv, the final season of picard is bringing our first on-screen uss enterprise since, well, enterprise . but it has a history in star trek before its tv debut..

When Star Trek: Picard returns next month, as well as the iconic TNG crew it’ll be bringing a similarly iconic vessel as well— the U S S   Enterprise . But it won’t be the vessel we last saw Jean-Luc captain in Nemesis , it’ll be an all-new version of the Federation flagship—but one that has history before its TV debut.

Which Enterprise Is i n Star Trek: Picard ?

Chronologically—aside from Enterprise ’s NX prototype and its glimpse of the 31st century’s Enterprise -J—the last Enterprise we saw on screen was the Sovereign-class Enterprise -E in Star Trek: Nemesis , all the way back in 2002. The ship we’ll see in Picard season three is its direct replacement , the Enterprise -F, an Odyssey-class cruiser.

Where Did the Enterprise -F Come From?

The newest Enterprise is only really new to TV. It’s actually been around since 2011, in the world of Star Trek Online . The MMORPG, set in its own imagining of the early 25th century—a period where the Federation is beset by multiple rival factions in conflict, from a renewed war with the Klingons to battles against the likes of Voyager ’s Species 8472 or the remnants of the Romulan Empire after the events of the 2009 Star Trek movie—ran a competition to ask fans to design a new class of cruiser to be added to the game. That class would ultimately also become the design for the newest version of the starship Enterprise .

Who Designed the Enterprise -F?

After months of entries, it was announced that the new Enterprise would be represented by the Odyssey-class, inspired by design entries from Adam Ilhe. The Enterprise -F entered Star Trek Online ’s story in 2012. In Star Trek Online , the Enterprise -F has had a few tweaks since its debut, being re-fitted as a similar Yorktown-class vessel in 2016. It will be updated once again for its appearance in Picard , with Star Trek Online a rt d irector Thomas Marrone having made updates and tweaks to the game’s 3D model to pass on to the Picard VFX team.

It’s not actually the first time the Odyssey has appeared connected to Picard though—the ship’s design appeared as the USS   Verity in the prequel comic Picard: Countdown , the ship helmed by Admiral Picard during the Romulan supernova crisis.

Who Is the Captain of the Enterprise -F?

In Star Trek Online ’s now non-canonical timeline of the 25th century, the Enterprise -F is launched in the year 2409, under the command of the Andorian Starfleet officer Va’Kel Shon. Shon’s former ship, the Defiant-class Belfast , was destroyed during a mission against rogue Jem’hadar forces transported into the near future by Sisko and the Gamma Quadrant wormhole aliens known in Bajoran religious beliefs as the Prophets during the events of the Deep Space Nine episode “ Sacrifice of Angels .” One of the Enterprise -F’s first battles, in homage to that episode, saw it and other Starfleet forces rally to re-liberate DS9 from occupation by the temporally-displaced Dominion forces.

It’s currently not known if Shon will also be making the leap to Picard alongside his ship, which would make him one of the first, if not the first, original Star Trek Online characters to appear in Trek TV canon.

What Happened to the Enterprise -E?

In Star Trek Online , the Enterprise -E—then-captained by Data in its version of events— was destroyed during a mission against the forces of Species 8472 (known in Online as the Undine) in 2409. The majority of the Enterprise ’s crew escaped the E’s destruction, but Data declined to helm its replacement, instead retiring from Starfleet to teach on Earth.

From what we know of the TV canon already though, it’s probably going to be a bit different. The Enterprise -E is shown as still being in service during the events of Star Trek: Prodigy ’s first season finale late last year. Part of the fleet of Starfleet vessels that confronted the USS Protostar —infected by a living weapon that caused its foes to go haywire and turn on each other—it’s last seen heavily damaged after a barrage of not-so-friendly fire. Prodigy ’s finale takes place in 2384, so it’s been approximately 20-ish years by the time of Picard season three . Picard s howrunner Terry Matalas has implied on social media that the F has been around for a long period of time before the events of the season, so making its Prodigy appearance the E’s final outing makes sense.

Why Are Star Trek Online Designs Coming to TV?

This isn’t the first time Online designs have made their way into the continuity of Star Trek ’s movies and TV—in fact, it was Picard itself that lead the way last year with its season two premiere including four designs from the MMORPG in a fleet of Starfleet ships, marking the first time content from the game been canonized in the Trek TV timeline. Continuing that for Picard ’s farewell is unsurprising.

But it’s also just a nice way to honor what Star Trek Online did for the franchise in almost a decade of operation with no contemporary Star Trek series running alongside it. For many, even now, its version of a post-Romulan-supernova timeline in the early 25th century is still the definitive rendition of Star Trek ’s future instead of the glimpses we’ve seen in shows like Picard so far. If the shows and future movies that could be set in this time period can’t bring over story elements from Online , canonizing generations of the game’s ship designs is a nod to its world—one that kept Trek ticking in people’s minds when it wasn’t on screen.

How ‘Star Trek: Picard’ Created the High-Tech Bridge of Its Newest Starship

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In just about every way, the third and final season of “Star Trek: Picard” is both about looking back and moving forward. In addition to reuniting the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise from “The Next Generation” for the first time since 2002’s “Star Trek: Nemesis,” it also features a new starship on which most of the action takes place: the U.S.S. Titan, first seen in animated form on “Star Trek: Lower Decks” and now refit as a Neo-Constitution Class Starship.

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When it came to designing the interior of the Titan, Blass recruited veterans from “The Next Generation” and “Deep Space Nine” – senior illustrator Doug Drexler, scenic art supervisor Michael Okuda and video playback supervisor Denise Okuda, all from Herman Zimmerman’s production design team – but also Sean Hargreaves, who designed the sleek new U.S.S. Enterprise seen briefly at the end of 2016’s “Star Trek Beyond.”

To that extent, Blass literally had the best of both worlds. “I think that the starships in the ‘Star Trek’ universe are as heroic as the captains who sat in those seats,” he says. “So, when we were bringing the production crew together, I wanted to bring the best designers from all of ‘Star Trek’ together on one project.”

The Bridge was 46 feet wide, big enough with integrated lighting to accommodate the show’s complex shooting needs. As Blass explains, “The bridge of the Titan is only 12 feet bigger than the Enterprise-E [from ‘Star Trek: Nemesis’] and we were shooting with multiple cameras, so it had to be wide enough to get all the widescreen view shots without picking up the other cameras. And we designed the Titan with bigger consoles so the Bridge would light itself because, with our very limited timeframe, we couldn’t completely relight the set for every single take.”

But it wasn’t just how the Titan looked; it was how it sounded. “It was important for us to go back into the archives and dig out everything from ‘The Next Generation’ series and movies,” says Matalas. “There would be new sounds, and there would be updates, but you’d have a blend. So, even though visually you’re seeing Dave’s sets, the sounds are evoking all of those feelings that should be in your DNA if you love the older shows.”

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Star Trek: Discovery Season 5s Mirror Universe Enterprise Asks A Question Picard Left Behind

WARNING: This article contains SPOILERS for Star Trek: Discovery, season 5, episode 5, "Mirrors".

• ISS Enterprise from Mirror Universe crosses over to prime timeline in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, sparking questions about the Starfleet Museum.
• Federation Headquarters Storage becomes the new home for ISS Enterprise in Discovery's 32nd century, raising speculation about the Starfleet Museum's fate.
• ISS Enterprise would be 4th version of Enterprise stored at Starfleet Museum, showcasing a darker timeline's impact on the Star Trek universe.

The return of the Mirror Universe's ISS Enterprise in Star Trek: Discovery season 5 asks a question about a key location from Star Trek: Picard season 3. In Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5, "Mirrors", written by Johanna Lee & Carlos Cisco, and directed by Jen McGowan, sees the ISS Enterprise cross over from the Mirror Universe to the prime Star Trek timeline . Stranded in interdimensional space with criminal duo Moll (Eve Harlow) and L'ak (Elias Toufexis), Captain Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Cleveland Booker (David Ajala) escape aboard the ISS Enterprise .

Now active in Star Trek: Discovery 's 32nd century, the ISS Enterprise is an incredible relic from 900 years ago in a completely different reality. At the end of Discovery season 5, episode 5 , Lt. Commander Keyla Detmer (Emily Coutts) and Lt. Commander Joann Owosekun (Oyin Oladejo) are ordered by Burnham to pilot the ISS Enterprise back to Federation Headquarters Storage . It's interesting that Burnham mentions Federation HQ's storage facility, rather than Star Trek: Picard 's Athan Prime Fleet Museum, which raises the question whether it still exists in the 32nd century.

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Does star trek: picards starfleet museum still exist in discoverys 32nd century.

There has been no mention of Star Trek: Picard 's Starfleet museum in Star Trek: Discovery so far, and there are probably a number of reasons for this. On a practical real-world level, Picard season 3 finished filming in March 2022, two months before production on Discovery season 5 began . This crossover means that it's unlikely that Picard 's Starfleet museum would have inspired the writers of Discovery season 5, which is why Burnham mentions the storage facility at Federation Headquarters. However, there's also a darker, in-universe possibility for the lack of a Starfleet museum in Discovery 's 32nd century.

Now refitted as a 32nd century starship, the USS Discovery was a literal museum piece when the 23rd century vessel arrived 900 years in the future.

Star Trek: Discovery season 3 revealed that the Burn caused every active warp core to explode and created widespread scarcity of dilithium. It's unclear if the starships in the Fleet Museum had active warp cores or not, but the restored USS Enterprise-D was capable of warp travel in Star Trek: Picard 's finale . It's possible, therefore, that the Starfleet museum's entire collection exploded along with the countless other starships destroyed in the Burn. If the starships survived, Picard 's Fleet Museum would have been a goldmine for parties like the Emerald Chain , who could have raided the museum and broken down these beloved ships for parts.

Mirror Universes ISS Enterprise Would Be The Starfleet Museums 4th Enterprise

In an ideal universe, Federation Headquarters Storage is where starships go before being put on display at the still-functioning Athan Prime Fleet Museum. If that's the case, then the Terran Empire's flagship would be the fourth version of the starship Enterprise to be stored at Star Trek: Picard 's Starfleet museum. Despite that appearing like lazy museum curation, the ISS Enterprise and the successors of its prime timeline counterpart each have their own fascinating stories to tell .

The ISS Enterprise would be a fascinating exhibit in a Starfleet museum, providing a window into a darker timeline where humanity's worst impulses were actively rewarded . Following the Burn, Star Trek: Discovery 's 32nd century almost completely gave over to brutality and slavery, until Burnham and the crew of the USS Discovery paved the way for a more hopeful future. Therefore, the ISS Enterprise, and its prime timeline successors, still have much to teach humanity centuries after they were in active service.

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Star Trek: Discovery

Star Trek: Discovery is an entry in the legendary Sci-Fi franchise, set ten years before the original Star Trek series events. The show centers around Commander Michael Burnham, assigned to the USS Discovery, where the crew attempts to prevent a Klingon war while traveling through the vast reaches of space.

Star Trek: Picard

After starring in Star Trek: The Next Generation for seven seasons and various other Star Trek projects, Patrick Stewart is back as Jean-Luc Picard. Star Trek: Picard focuses on a retired Picard who is living on his family vineyard as he struggles to cope with the death of Data and the destruction of Romulus. But before too long, Picard is pulled back into the action. The series also brings back fan-favorite characters from the Star Trek franchise, such as Seven of Nine (Jeri Ryan), Geordi La Forge (LeVar Burton), Worf (Michael Dorn), and William Riker (Jonathan Frakes).

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Long-lost first model of the USS Enterprise from ‘Star Trek’ boldly goes home after twisting voyage

The first model of the USS Enterprise is displayed at Heritage Auctions in Los Angeles, April 13, 2024. The model — used in the original “Star Trek” television series — has been returned to Eugene “Rod” Roddenberry, the son of “Star Trek” creator Gene Roddenberry, decades after it went missing in the 1970s. (Josh David Jordan/Heritage Auctions via AP)

Joe Maddalena, executive vice president of Heritage Auctions, left, and Eugene “Rod” Roddenberry, the son of “Star Trek” creator Gene Roddenberry, shake hands over the recently recovered first model of the USS Enterprise at the Heritage Auctions in Los Angeles, April 13, 2024. The model — used in the original “Star Trek” television series — has been returned to Eugene, decades after it went missing in the 1970s. (Josh David Jordan/Heritage Auctions via AP)

Joe Maddalena, executive vice president of Heritage Auctions, left, and Eugene “Rod” Roddenberry, the son of “Star Trek” creator Gene Roddenberry, view the recently recovered first model of the USS Enterprise at Heritage Auctions in Los Angeles, April 13, 2024. The model — used in the original “Star Trek” television series — has been returned to Eugene, decades after it went missing in the 1970s. (Josh David Jordan/Heritage Auctions via AP)

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DALLAS (AP) — The first model of the USS Enterprise — used in the opening credits of the original “Star Trek” television series — has boldly gone back home, returning to creator Gene Roddenberry’s son decades after it went missing.

The model’s disappearance sometime in the 1970s had become the subject of lore, so it caused a stir when it popped up on eBay last fall. The sellers quickly took it down, and then contacted Dallas-based Heritage Auctions to authenticate it. Last weekend, the auction house facilitated the model’s return.

Eugene “Rod” Roddenberry, CEO of Roddenberry Entertainment, said he’s thrilled to have the model that had graced the desk of his father, who died in 1991 at age 70.

“This is not going home to adorn my shelves,” Roddenberry said. “This is going to get restored and we’re working on ways to get it out so the public can see it and my hope is that it will land in a museum somewhere.”

AP AUDIO: Long-lost first model of the USS Enterprise from ‘Star Trek’ boldly goes home after twisting voyage.

AP correspondent Margie Szaroleta reports on the return of the original model of the USS Enterprise from the TV show “Star Trek.”

Heritage’s executive vice president, Joe Maddalena, said the auction house was contacted by people who said they’d discovered it a storage unit, and when it was brought into their Beverly Hills office, he and a colleague “instantly knew that it was the real thing.”

They reached out to Roddenberry, who said he appreciates that everyone involved agreed returning the model was the right thing to do. He wouldn’t go into details on the agreement reached but said “I felt it important to reward that and show appreciation for that.”

Maddalena said the model vanished in the 1970s after Gene Roddenberry loaned it to makers of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture,” which was released in 1979.

“No one knew what happened to it,” Rod Roddenberry said.

The 3-foot (0.91-meter) model of the USS Enterprise was used in the show’s original pilot episode as well as the opening credits of the resulting TV series, and was the prototype for the 11-foot (3-meter) version featured in the series’ episodes. The larger model is on display at the Smithsonian’s National Air and Space Museum.

The original “Star Trek” television series, which aired in the late 1960s, kicked off an ever-expanding multiverse of cultural phenomena, with TV and movie spinoffs and conventions where a fanbase of zealous and devoted Trekkies can’t get enough of memorabilia.

This USS Enterprise model would easily sell for more than $1 million at auction, but really “it’s priceless,” Maddalena said.

“It could sell for any amount and I wouldn’t be surprised because of what it is,” he said. “It is truly a cultural icon.”

Roddenberry, who was just a young boy when the model went missing, said he has spotty memories of it, “almost a deja vu.” He said it wasn’t something he’d thought much about until people began contacting him after it appeared on eBay.

“I don’t think I really, fully comprehended at first that this was the first Enterprise ever created,” he said.

He said he has no idea if there was something nefarious behind the disappearance all those decades ago or if it was just mistakenly lost, but it would be interesting to find out more about what happened.

“This piece is incredibly important and it has its own story and this would be a great piece of the story,” Roddenberry said.

Thankfully, he said, the discovery has cleared up one rumor: That it was destroyed because as a young boy, he’d thrown it into a pool.

“Finally I’m vindicated after all these years,” he said with a laugh.

Original ‘Star Trek’ Enterprise Model Resurfaces Decades After It Went Missing

The model used in the original series’ opening credits is now back with Eugene Roddenberry Jr., the son of the show’s creator

Julia Binswanger

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Nearly 50 years after it went missing, the original model of the  USS Starship Enterprise from the hit show “ Star Trek ” is finally voyaging home. The 33-inch model—the same one that appears in the opening credits of the original series—is now back with Eugene Roddenberry Jr., the son of the show’s creator.

“After five decades, I’m thrilled that someone happened upon this historic model of the USS Enterprise ,” says Roddenberry, who goes by “Rod,” in a Heritage Auctions statement . “I remember how it used to adorn my dad’s desk.”

The tiny model has been missing since Roddenberry’s father, Gene Roddenberry (who died in 1991), lent it to the makers of 1979’s  Star Trek: The Motion Picture , the first Star Trek feature film. Unfortunately, he never got it back. What happened to it at that point is unknown.

Last fall, the spaceship popped up on  eBay —with a starting bid of $1,000. The listing was titled “Rare Custom Star Trek USS Enterprise Spaceship by Richard Datin .” Datin, a model maker from the Howard Anderson special-effects company, built the original model out of solid wood. The  New York Times ’ Emily Schmall reports that the seller came across the item after discovering it in a storage unit. After receiving many inquiries about the item, the seller contacted Heritage Auctions.

“Once our team of experts concluded it was the real thing, we contacted Rod because we wanted to get the model back to where it belonged,” says Joe Maddalena, executive vice president at Heritage Auctions, in the statement. “We’re thrilled the Enterprise is finally in dry dock.”

The ship’s whereabouts after its disappearance remain a mystery; unfortunately, the missing years aren’t described in a captain’s log. The younger Roddenberry says there had even been rumors that he’d thrown it into a pool as a boy, per Jamie Stengle of the Associated Press (AP).

While the model would “easily” sell for over $1 million at auction, it’s a “priceless” piece of television history, Maddalena tells the AP.

Since Star Trek ’s debut in 1966, the Enterprise has become an instantly recognizable image—and a pioneering design that inspired many other fictional spacecraft.

“We didn’t want the Enterprise to look like something currently planned for our space program,” said Walter Jefferies, the Star Trek art director who designed the fictional craft, in the 1968 book The Making of Star Trek , per the auction house. “We knew that by the time the show got on the air, this type of thing would be old hat. We had to go further than even the most advanced space scientists were thinking.”

The younger Roddenberry rounded up a group of Star Trek production veterans to help authenticate and restore the model. One of them was Gary Kerr, a “Trek x-pert” who worked on the 2016 restoration of an 11-foot model of the Enterprise for the Smithsonian’s National Air and Space Museum . Kerr still had old photos of the model sitting on the elder Roddenberry’s desk.

“We spent at least an hour photographing it, inspecting the paint, inspecting the dirt, looking under the base, the patina on the stem, the grain in the wood,” Roddenberry tells the Times . “It was a unanimous ‘This is 100 percent the one.’”

While other models of the Enterprise exist, the newly discovered ship is the original. Looking ahead, Roddenberry wants to ensure that this one-of-a-kind artifact is accessible to the public.

“This is not going home to adorn my shelves,” he tells the AP. “This is going to get restored and we’re working on ways to get it out so the public can see it, and my hope is that it will land in a museum somewhere.”

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Here’s the official announcement:

Pinewood Toronto Studios, part of the Pinewood Group, have named one of their sound stages “The Star Trek Stage” to celebrate one of the franchise’s long-running filming locations. The announcement coincides with the release of the fifth and final season of Star Trek: Discovery, produced by CBS Studios and currently streaming on Paramount+ in the US and Canada.   “The Star Trek Stage” is an 18,000 sq foot stage at Pinewood Toronto Studios and was officially renamed whilst the cast and crew were filming the final scenes of the final season. Star Trek: Discovery has been based at the Studios in downtown Toronto since January 2017. The Stage was used to house the Ready Room and International Federation HQ. The production also utilised the 45,900 sq foot Mega Stage and Stage 7, 9 and 12 as well as production facilities and workshops.   “Pinewood Toronto Studios has become a second home for our Star Trek family, and we’re grateful that they’ve named a stage in honor of the franchise,” said Alex Kurtzman, Executive Producer at the helm of the Star Trek series. “In addition to the amazing stage space, we’ve benefitted from working with the talented artists in front of the camera and behind the scenes and look forward to our partnership in Toronto on future series.”   Sarah Farrell, General Manager of Pinewood Toronto Studios, said, “We are so delighted to have hosted Star Trek: Discovery over 5 seasons and the recently wrapped Star Trek: Section 31 movie event and to celebrate our longstanding relationship with the franchise with our own Star Trek Stage. We look forward to welcoming many more productions to come.”

It’s one of five stages used during Star Trek: Discovery’s five seasons on the Pinewood lot, one of which is considered the studio’s “Mega Stage” — a 45,900 square foot soundstage that will serve as the central hub of the upcoming  Starfleet Academy series set to begin filming later this year.

Pinewood Toronto does not host the  Star Trek: Strange New Worlds  production; that series films at the CBS Stages Canada facility in Mississauga, Ontario.

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Discovery’s mirror universe enterprise just set a star trek enterprise record.

Star Trek: Discovery brought back the ISS Enterprise, revealing that the Mirror Universe ship set a new Star Trek record for ships named Enterprise.

Warning: SPOILERS for Star Trek: Discovery Season 5, Episode 5 - "Mirrors"

• The Mirror Universe's ISS Enterprise outlasted any USS Enterprise, surviving over 900 years in a pocket of interdimensional space.
• Despite being a warship, the ISS Enterprise endured longer than any USS Enterprise built for exploration.
• Starships named Enterprise, like USS Enterprise-D and USS Enterprise-F, have shorter life spans compared to the immortal ISS Enterprise.

Star Trek: Discovery season 5 brought back the ISS Enterprise, revealing that the Mirror Universe ship set an impressive record for starships named Enterprise. Written by Johanna Lee and Carlos Cisco and directed by Jen McGowan, Star Trek: Discovery season 5, epsiode 5, "Mirrors" was an unexpected download of new information about the Mirror Universe. In their pursuit of Moll (Eve Harlow), L'ak (Elias Toufexis), and the Progenitors' ancient treasure, Captain Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Cleveland Booker (David Ajala) ended up piloting the Mirror Universe's Starship Enterprise into Star Trek 's Prime Universe.

In Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5 , "Mirrors," the Mirror Universe's ISS Enterprise was abandoned in a pocket of interdimensional space. The ISS Enterprise was damaged, including its warp core, but it had enough systems functioning to make the journey through a wormhole with the help of the USS Discovery. Because the Mirror Universe's version of the Enterprise originated in the 23rd century and crossed over into Star Trek: Discovery 's 32nd century, this makes the ISS Enterprise over 900 years old , meaning it survived far longer than any other version of the Starship Enterprise.

The Mirror Universe debuted in Star Trek: The Original Series season 2, episode 4, "Mirror, Mirror," when Captain James T. Kirk (William Shatner) and some of his crew members find themselves in the brutal parallel universe.

5 Ways Star Trek: Discovery’s Mirror Enterprise Is Different From USS Enterprise

Star trek’s mirror universe iss enterprise has lasted longer than any uss enterprise, the iss enterprise remained hidden in a pocket of interdimensional space..

As the flagship of the United Federation of Planets, the USS Enterprise often participates in dangerous missions, and the Star Trek films have a habit of finding ways to destroy the Enterprise. Starfleet ships go through a lot, and it's impressive enough for a ship to survive for decades, let alone centuries. As Captain Burnham and Cleveland Booker (David Ajala) explore the ISS Enterprise, they find a plaque detailing the ship's journey from the Mirror Universe. Captain Kirk's visit in Star Trek: The Original Series had a profound influence on Mirror Universe Spock (Leonard Nimoy) , who later initiated a series of reforms to make the Terran Empire more peaceful.

It's ironic that the ISS Enterprise, a warship, endured for far longer than any of the USS Enterprise starships built for exploration.

Spock eventually became the Terran High Chancellor but was later killed by those who opposed him. Despite this, Spock's beliefs inspired the crew of the ISS Enterprise to mutiny, with the help of "a Kelpien slave turned rebel leader" — aka Mirror Universe Saru (Doug Jones) . These refugees fled the Mirror Universe on the ISS Enterprise, and the ship ended up in a pocket of interdimensional space where it sat for the next several centuries. Aside from this visit, the ISS Enterprise remained in the state it had been left in for centuries until Moll, L'ak, Captain Burnham, and Cleveland Booker boarded the ship in their pursuit of the Progenitors' treasure.

One of the original refugees named Dr. Cho paid a visit to the Mirror Universe Enterprise sometime in the 24th century to hide a clue leading to the location of the Progenitors' technology.

How Long Has Each USS Enterprise Lasted In Star Trek?

Starships named enterprise see their fair share of dangerous missions..

Many incarnations of the USS Enterprise were completely destroyed through Star Trek , but some were simply decommissioned. The original Enterprise NX-01 commanded by Captain Jonathan Archer (Scott Bakula) survived its historic mission in Star Trek: Enterprise , eventually winding up on display at the Fleet Museum on Athan Prime. The USS Enterprise commanded by Captain Christopher Pike (Anson Mount) and Captain James Kirk saw 40 years of service before it was destroyed in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock . The Kelvin Universe version of the Enterprise in J.J. Abrams' Star Trek movies was destroyed by Krall (Idris Elba) in the third film, Star Trek Beyond .

Star Trek: Picard season 3 left the fate of the USS Enterprise-E commanded by Captain Worf (Michael Dorn) as an open question, and what happened to the USS Enterprise-B is unknown.

After being commissioned at the end of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home , the USS Enterprise-A served for only 7 years before finding a home at the Fleet Museum. The USS Enterprise-C was fated to be destroyed in Star Trek: The Next Generation 's "Yesterday's Enterprise." The USS Enterprise-D of Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) was the Federation flagship for 8 years before it crashed on Veridian III in Star Trek Generations. The D was restored in Star Trek: Picard season 3, which also revealed the USS Enterprise-F was retired to make way for the USS Enterprise-G. Ultimately, no version of the USS Enterprise has survived anywhere near as long as the ISS Enterprise found in Star Trek: Discovery .

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