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Help!! Bad perm, and I cruise in a week!

By sherry7 , November 21, 2007 in Cruise Fashions & Beauty

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Please give me advice! Like an idiot, I got a perm on Saturday. I only wanted soft waves in my shoulder length hair, but what I got was tight spiral curls! :eek:

I'm leaving for a 15 day cruise in only 8 days. What do I do! I strongly resemble a poodle. :(

I conditioned it, but it didn't relax. I'm considering buying a straightening iron. I just don't know WHAT to do. I can't continue to wear a baseball cap. :rolleyes:

Any advice is appreciated.

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I didn't know folks even GOT perms anymore!!!! My daughter had a perm years ago, and there was NOTHING that would take those curls out! It lasted over a year! Good luck!

sailingkiwi

Go back to the hairdresser. Tell them this was not what you wanted. You may need to get it chemically straightened.

If your hairdresser can't give you some kind of harmless product to help relax the curls, I would ask her how to relax it with a drier and/ or rollers. I see you aren't doing a Carib cruise which would involve a lot more outdoor active activity. That's good. Maybe practice pinning it up and wearing it a little different. I guess I wouldn't worry too much about it. By the time you leave, you'll be used to it and probably will have figured out some new styles. No way would I have any more chemicals put in your hair. I'm thinking just use large steam rollers on it before going to dinner to loosen the curl. Extra work, yes. Just practice before you go so you can streamline the process.

Thanks for the replies so far. I'm hesitant to go back to the stylist, because she will probably want to chemically relax it...which I DON'T want. My hair is already slightly damaged from the perm, and from being highlighted about 5 weeks ago. I'm sure relaxing it would finish frying it. :( My hair is very fine and somewhat thin, as it is.

My intention was to get a loose perm that I could blow dry out with a large round brush, so I could get lots of volume, but have a straight hair look. I've done it before with my fine, thin hair...but that was with my old stylist in my old town.

What do you ladies think about a flat iron? If I order one today, I could have it by Monday, and have a couple of days practice with it before I leave for my cruise.

I love my flat iron and it works great. I have very curly hair, frizzy, yet very thin/fine. You can't tell when I use my flat iron. I have one that can be used on wet hair. So I just towel dry my hair, put in a little moose(sp), use the flat iron and my hair is stick straight.

Be careful with a flat iron, you can burn it!!! You currently have double processed hair, with the perm and color. I can't believe your styist actually processed your hair the second time, with the perm. Most stylist will not color and perm it. I understand that you did wait 5 weeks between processing, but thats alot of chemicals on your hair. My advice you be to get some protein on your hair, that will help relax it and help the damage that is already done. You may want to try Matrix Sleek Look shampoo and conditioner, it really helps my frizzy natural curly hair. If you do use a flat iron make sure its on the lowest setting, to not burn your hair. Good Luck!!!

Ex-stylist/colorist here:) .....

Go out and buy a jar of cholesteral...its an actual product. It looks like a custard. and a showercap.

Wash your hair with a good cheap shampoo (Helene Curtis Suave is great). Rinse with clear vinegar first, then again with water.

towel dry your hair, then lay on the cholesteral. comb it through with a wide tooth comb, pack it on top of your head, and put the shower cap on.

15 or 20 minutes under a hood dryer on medium is best, but you can just walk around for an hour or so and your body heat will do the work.

Rinse well, don't shampoo. You can shampoo the next day as usual and you should be able to see a difference.

Hope that helps!

bobandkelly

I was going to write earlier but the phone rang.

Follow Dave's advice about the cholesteral treatment. I have done this with my own hair and it works. Also look for a good leave in conditioner. Biolage by Matrix is one I like but there are others.

I know it is tempting to use a flat iron but all you will be doing is adding to the damage. Keep it conditioned and keep getting it trimmed/cut.

And remember it is only hair, even if you cut it short to get rid of the damage it will grow back.

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I have naturally curly/frizzy hair and one time as a young adult a friend convinced me to get a body wave perm to tame it. It sounds like what happened to me happened to you. At that time there was no such thing as Cholesterol but I used an all natural mayonnaise. Packed it on good and thick, put a shower cap on and got into a hot steamy shower for about 10 minutes. Got out and left this on for another hour before rinsing (no shampoo) with a warm water rinse. It took out a lot of the tight curls. When I washed it 24 hours later and used a lot of conditioner it took out most of the rest. Good luck.

I am in complete sympathy with you, I too have had a bad perm a couple years ago.

I agree with the advice already given about the straight iron from past experience. Used one with my bad perm and had to get an inch chopped off the same day. After that, I went back home armed with a leave-in conditioner. The one I used was Infusium, and it helped somewhat. Also, try using some of the de-frizzing products. Just comb them through your hair while still damp. If you want a less curly look, use some large rollers while your hair is still damp and let it dry naturally. Any heat applied will further dry your hair and you WILL regret it!

Know this: It WILL eventually grow out. I learned a valuable lesson, and will NEVER get another perm again!

Wear your hair up too, and it will probably "relax" some in another week or two.

Use the Pantene shampoo that has the conditioner in it. It's a temporary fix until it grows out -- but it will relax it.

Don't get any more perms -- they smell bad every time you wet your hair too.

Funny...i got a bad perm several years ago.....wound up getting it cut (i too was going on vacation...walked into one of those chain salons - master cuts i think...got a FAB haircut! that guy could have worked at one of those places where they charge 100 bucks just to run their fingers thru!!)

anyway.....i got some of that frizz ease stuff that i used for the week or so before the cut (i went to FLA...got REALLY fuzzy-hence the cut!) it seemed to help!

good luck! BTW, i now have natuarally curly hair! :D

(i would let the stylist know you are unhappy---they really need to do something to fix it for you, but i can understand that you dont want to let them mess you up more!)

I'd let the stylist know, if nothing else, she should be able to give you some products to use. Several years ago, I got highlights that really fried my hair. It was so dry, I couldn't even rinse the shampoo out of my hair - my hair formed a big ball on the back of my head. The stylist gave me some of her deep conditioner - it might have been Biolage, I forget now. Anyway, I don't have any other advice, for you. I just wanted to drop in and say "Hi" to a neighbor (that is if your from the Mt. Pleasant in Westmoreland county), I live in New Stanton.

Hello, ex hairdresser here and I agree with Dave. Slather on the Cholesteral, and leave it on for a looooong time. No shampooing out , just rinse and repeat until curls are softened. DO NOT buy a flat iron. You could buy some cheap Velcro rollers, they come in lots of different sizes and stick to dry hair. Get the biggest size that will just make it around your hair once. Dry hair any which way with the blow dryer and then just stick them in your hair like a roller set, put on your makeup, remove rollers and toussle with your fingers, and voils, nice big soft loose waves Oh, and note to self, no more perms!:rolleyes:

Thanks everyone, for the replies. Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!

I'm going to buy some Cholesterol this weekend, and see what happens. I'll forget the idea of the straightening iron, as I don't want to damage my hair.

I went 'hat-less' yesterday (for the first time), and funnily enough, the perm started to grow on me a little, lol. Actually, for a perm, it IS a nice perm...the curls are all perfect. I could probably pass for a natural curly haired person. I'm just having a hard time adjusting to it being SO curly, when my original goal was to have straight hair with a lot of body. :)

Hi, TracersQQ. I am from the Mt Pleasant in Westmoreland County...not many people know there are 3 Mt Pleasants in PA, lol. Have a happy Turkey Day!

Yikes! Do you want hair left! I agree, go back to the hairdresser and have them do what they can.

Absolutely do not put another chemical process on hair that has just been chemically processed. Deep conditioner, a haircut...yes, a straightener will absolutely fry your hair.

I also did not think people got perms any more, I think I gave up on them in the 90's.

Good luck to the OP, you may just be stuck with your curls for a while, hopefully you can get them to relax a bit with deep conditioning :o

OK, I had only read up to where I quoted and it looks like you have been given some good advice.

The problem was that you got chemically treated hair permed, damage on top of damage. All the conditioner in the world will not cure damaged hair and although heavy conditioning will help pull some of the curl out, it will also weigh your hair down and it will look flatter and thinner. What will do you the very best good right now is a great haircut, one that will work with the perm. You might have to go shorter than you want, but you have to decide if you want damaged hair or nice looking hair.

I was a hair stylist for 15 years, retired from the business a few years ago. I only cut hair so fortunately didn't do any chemical damage. But time after time, I would go in and cut off some of the damaged portion, usually from bleach or perms and it is unbelievable how much prettier the hair style would look, even a quarter to a half an inch shorter.

Do not, under any circumstances, use a flat iron on damaged hair. My daugher uses one, our hair stylist refuses to color treat her hair because of it (thank you, she won't believe me!). I have her hair cut on a regular basis, to get rid of the fried ends.

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I have been told several time that Pert oor Prell(cant remember which one) loosens perms, big time. Just use it and wash hair alot of times before your trip-but use lots of conditioner and a good leave in

Ex-stylist/colorist here:) .....   Go out and buy a jar of cholesteral...its an actual product. It looks like a custard. and a showercap.   Wash your hair with a good cheap shampoo (Helene Curtis Suave is great). Rinse with clear vinegar first, then again with water.   towel dry your hair, then lay on the cholesteral. comb it through with a wide tooth comb, pack it on top of your head, and put the shower cap on.   15 or 20 minutes under a hood dryer on medium is best, but you can just walk around for an hour or so and your body heat will do the work.   Rinse well, don't shampoo. You can shampoo the next day as usual and you should be able to see a difference.   Hope that helps!   Dave:eek:

Dave we have used that and bought it a beauty supply store, after it was recommended to us by a hairdresser, after my poor daughter's hair was fried in a perm. It helped but she still had to keep cutting her hair for about two years until finially all the perm was all gone. She had long hair and wanted long spiral curls (this was at least 7 years ago)- once she got that all cut off, she grew her hair long again and has learned how to do those looser curls with a hair dryer and round brush and her hair always looks good.

She has a natural wave to her hair which she hated when she was younger, she always wanted either straight hair or super curly hair-with maturity she learned to appreciate what God gave her, to work with it, instead of trying to change it. she has beautiful hair now.

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Just want to clarify one thing to be sure. The conditioner referred to above is brand named Cholestrol, isn't it? Cholesterol is a blood lipid.

I'm not actually sure of how the conditioner is really spelled, but I have used it in the past in South America and The Philippines where it is popular.

I have been in the exact situation of the OP. Using lots of conditioner and ulta-big rollers worked best, but it is a hard problem to resolve and takes a long time. Plus I suspect the OP's hair may be damaged or even "fried" at least in some places, though we can hope for the best.

I hope she is able to find a solution to her extra-curly hair. If push comes to shove, the OP can always wear a hat outdoors on the top decks, by the pool and on shore excursions. I had to resort to that trick until my hair finally grew enough and straightened out.

I'm not sure of the extent of the damage of the OPs hair, however that is the best, least expensive, and non-damaging treatment I can think of to help with a quick fix other than cutting everything off.

As for perms.....They can be very helpful, or horrible.

Let me tell you, this whole spiral perm thing withthe fancy rods and twisting twirling spirals is nothing more than a fad and a bad one at that. The spiral on long hair can NEVER mimick natural curly hair..

However I have given spirals on longer hair using different rod sizes starting with a smaller toward the scalp and working up two sizes to the end, holding the rods together with shishkabob skewers while it processed. While these perms came out natural looking there was a lot of maintanance involved, including air drying and scrunching with gel based products to hold the look. Personally if I was a female I'd just use rollers, or a curling iron in a pinch....Its a nicer natural look IMHO.

As for me they called me "Bleach" in Cosmo school as I was always putting highlights in my hair and it was basically platinum:eek: . I could also roll a perm so tight it included a free face lift! The little old ladies loved it!!

I went from "bleach" to bald.........too much drying of the scalp and a little bit of genetics......

For everyone, all I can say is before you have ANY kind of chemical treatment...ASK/LOOK at previous work done by the salon and trhe stylist. The person who normally cuts or styles your hair MAY NOT be the best person. See someone who specializes in what you want and shop around. Ask about what products they use, background and prices.

For everyone, all I can say is before you have ANY kind of chemical treatment...ASK/LOOK at previous work done by the salon and trhe stylist. The person who normally cuts or styles your hair MAY NOT be the best person. See someone who specializes in what you want and shop around. Ask about what products they use, background and prices.   Dave:eek:

We owned a salon for 16 years and fortunately rarely had the type of stylists who would not "share" their clients. We believed as a business overall it was best to have the client go to the person who could best do the work. We had people who were better at perming, some did better color, we had one guy who did awesome clipper/flat top work, some that were great at trimming mens beards, some were better with kids, etc...

It's really what all salons should do, it's very rare that one stylist excels at everything. And... the client should never feel uncomfortable going to another person in a salon, just ask, they really are quite used to it.

I'm not sure of the extent of the damage of the OPs hair, however that is the best, least expensive, and non-damaging treatment I can think of to help with a quick fix other than cutting everything off.   As for perms.....They can be very helpful, or horrible.   Let me tell you, this whole spiral perm thing withthe fancy rods and twisting twirling spirals is nothing more than a fad and a bad one at that. The spiral on long hair can NEVER mimick natural curly hair..   However I have given spirals on longer hair using different rod sizes starting with a smaller toward the scalp and working up two sizes to the end, holding the rods together with shishkabob skewers while it processed. While these perms came out natural looking there was a lot of maintanance involved, including air drying and scrunching with gel based products to hold the look. Personally if I was a female I'd just use rollers, or a curling iron in a pinch....Its a nicer natural look IMHO.   As for me they called me "Bleach" in Cosmo school as I was always putting highlights in my hair and it was basically platinum:eek: . I could also roll a perm so tight it included a free face lift! The little old ladies loved it!! I went from "bleach" to bald.........too much drying of the scalp and a little bit of genetics......   For everyone, all I can say is before you have ANY kind of chemical treatment...ASK/LOOK at previous work done by the salon and trhe stylist. The person who normally cuts or styles your hair MAY NOT be the best person. See someone who specializes in what you want and shop around. Ask about what products they use, background and prices.   Dave:eek:

You description of the "spiral" perms using regular rods sure did bring back old memories.

The last one I got like that (YEARS ago) was 5 hours (and 300 rods) but it was beautiful. I won't say what it cost! :eek:

To the OP: I think you are going through "perm shock". Give it some time, let it relax and have a great time on your cruise!!!

You know Dave, my daughter was 16 at the time and had been usuing prmanent color on her hair. her hair is naturally light auburn but sh eliked tomake it redder. she had her hair done at one of the mall salons and I do not bleive the silly girl bothered to tell the gal she had color on her hiar. She seemed to feel as it had been two weks since she had colored her hair it was "safe" to perm.

After many, many, months ( I am guessing close to a year or a little over a year) of her hair looking terrible and she having an inch here and there trimmed off, (she wanted to keep that long hair-even though it looked like dry frizzy straw) I convinced her to let me take her to our friend who is a hair dresser. He cut her hair medium short, in a page-boy "bob" very cute and it was simple for her to blow out semi-straight, leaving just enough of the wave in for her hair to turn under. Her hair looked nice again and she was able to grow it out after that,as most of the perm was then gone, her hair being no more then 6 inches long!

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