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Tom DeLonge Revisits Box Car Racer’s Lone Album 15 Years Later

Box Car Racer emerged from a side door of the Blink-182 stable with its eponymous debut in the spring of 2002. With practically no promotional push leading up to its May 21 arrival, 'Box Car Racer'…

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Box Car Racer emerged from a side door of the Blink-182 stable with its eponymous debut in the spring of 2002. With practically no promotional push leading up to its May 21 arrival, Box Car Racer succeeded beyond expectation, selling over 65,000 copies in its first week, largely due to the names tethered to the project. Created and led by Tom DeLonge, Box Car Racer also featured his Blink-182 bandmate Travis Barker on drums, with the LP including guest vocals from Rancid ‘s Tim Armstrong, New Found Glory ‘s Jordan Pundik, and, naturally, Blink-182 bassist Mark Hoppus. The core of the band was rounded out by lead guitarist David Kennedy, who would later go on to play in DeLonge’s Angels & Airwaves .

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While the band’s sound would inevitably see comparisons to Blink-182 given its roster (and DeLonge’s distinctive vocal delivery) Box Car Racer was noticeably darker, heavier, and — save for the raucous, 65-second “My First Punk Song” — mostly devoid of the often puerile themes found on albums with bawdy titles like Enema Of The State and Take Off Your Pants And Jacket . The tone is evident in the track listing, where you’ll find song titles like “Letters To God,” “Sorrow,” and “The End With You” before ever even pushing play to dig into the album’s emotive opener, “I Feel So.”

Despite DeLonge never intending for BCR to evolve into a “real band,” the trio gained a bassist in Barker’s friend Anthony Celestino and took to stages across the U.S. for close to 30 shows through the end of 2002 — many with support from the Used and H2O . This only fueled the fire that would result in a subsequent decade-plus of fans begging for a second album, reunion shows, or a combination of both.

Leading up to the 15-year anniversary of Box Car Racer’s sole release (May 21), DeLonge spoke with Billboard about the project’s beginnings and the recent rumblings of a long-awaited reunion.

For the uninitiated few, can you give me a rundown of how Box Car Racer came to be?

We had a couple big records in Blink, and I knew that we needed to progress. I always considered my job in Blink to try to architect new arrangements and sounds to push the band forward. I took on that role, and it was by no means only me — everyone contributed to the great music that we did — but I made that my passion, I made that my focus. I knew that we needed to have a transformational album but I wasn’t totally sure what that was just yet, so I wanted to do something on the side and completely get rid of the standard protocol of how we [wrote] songs and how we [recorded]. It was too constrictive for me to sit there and try to get a guitar tone for 10 hours straight, and then you’d start to track at like midnight. The whole way we did it was really difficult for me, so I wanted to do something in the studio that was much faster, much more dynamic, much more emotional, and much more aligned with a lot of the punk rock roots that I’ve always been into. Not that I wasn’t into pop-punk; pop-punk was obviously in my DNA, but there was a lot of other stuff that I was into that I wanted to have come through that wasn’t just uptempo punk sh–, but was more post-hardcore and the beginning movements of what people started calling the emo stuff. I was always into these earlier bands that were doing that stuff but with much more of an edge.

So I went and did the Box Car Racer record and I was writing the songs and I was like, “Shit, I need someone to play drums on this,” and why would I not ask Travis [Barker]? He’s the best drummer ever and he could just come in and pop it out. Well, once we get started we want to do stuff to the best of our ability, so there wasn’t any kind of motive here to create a new band; it literally was an art project, but we just ended up being enormously proud of it and it sort of created a lot of wings for us artistically and gave us a little bit of a door opening for how we could progress the music that we love and that we make, but also not strike people over the head with something so radically different that they wouldn’t understand it. It was just a natural progression that was a beautiful progression at that point in time. 

A lot of that carried over to the untitled Blink album. There are plenty of instances musically, like “Stockholm Syndrome” and “All Of This,” that could have fit on a Box Car album.

Oh yeah, it had all the effect. I always tell people that record was [Blink-182’s] best record absolutely because of the Box Car Racer record. It had nothing to do with anything else in my opinion, because there was so much drama around the Box Car Racer record in the band that we all had kind of a coming to Jesus moment saying, “Look, what are the things you’re looking to do musically?” to me, and I said, “This is the kind of stuff I wanna do. It’s much more dynamic, it’s more emotional,” and all those things I described earlier. So we said, “Well, let’s do that here.” 

So we got a house and we didn’t record in a studio. We changed up the way we record and we changed up what we were willing to do — not just being complacent and satisfied. So much punk rock is like that. That’s what people hate about punk: You love it till like three records later and you’re like, “Fuck! It’s just the same shit!” So how do you progress something that seems like it’s unprogress-ible? [Blink-182’s] self-titled album came about because I went to “musical school” with Travis and we forced the door to come completely open and do many more things. 

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When was the last time you really listened to the Box Car Racer album?

Oh my gosh, I haven’t listened to it for… a really long time. I mean, if Box Car came out 10 years ago, my gosh.

15 years ago.

Wait, how many?

Oh, 15? Oh my god. I thought 10 was short. [ Laughs .] I probably haven’t heard it since then. I mean, I traditionally listen to my music all the time because I make the music for myself, you know? It’s not out of vanity, because I definitely think I barely get by when it comes to musical skill set. [ Laughs .] I just like what I do because all I’m doing is just celebrating the shit that I love, so I’m grabbing shapes and colors from all the music I love and trying to combine things. Like, “Here’s something from Journey and here’s something from Fugazi . What happens when you put it together?” [ Laughs .] Then you’ll hear it and be like, “Well, that still sounds like Descendents ,” and I’m like, “Ugh! I was trying so hard!” [ Laughs .] So I do listen to my own stuff a lot but then I get bored of it and never listen to it again. So to answer your question, it’s probably been about that long. 

Well despite it not being exactly fresh in your mind, looking back on it, how do you feel about the album all these years later?

No, I know it well. I think it’s dope. It’s a mainstream version of the post-hardcore and punk rock influences in my life, but it’s also very artistic. I think we did something with the recording of that record that’s never been done for the most part, where the variances and volume and sonic scope are just extreme. That was the first record I crafted. Not recorded, crafted — two totally different things. 

In hindsight, do you think there’s anything you wish you had maybe done differently with that album?

No, not at all. It’s funny because it’s kind of like it was the best and worst thing for [Blink-182]. It was the beginning of a lot of tension in the band but it was also the thing that led us to writing way better songs, so what do you do? Change is hard for fans, for band members, and I never want to change just for the sake of change. I’m pretty strategic about how I do everything and I’m never gonna vary from my definition of what I think is cool. [ Laughs .] 

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Was Box Car Racer always meant to be a one-off project to get out of your system or did you ever have intentions to carry it on after that?

There weren’t any intentions but I can safely say that we would have followed it wherever it led at the time because right when we finished it the label was freaking out. They were like, “Oh my god. What is this?! You might have done the most incredible re-branding and marketing thing ever done in music!” [ Laughs .] They were saying all this shit because it was coming out of a pop-punk band that was really popular for being very polished in a way but very rated R at the live shows. So we came out with something really cool but the whole thing died very quickly because it created a really significant obstacle in [Blink-182] that really divided the band. The label sensed that and it was the last thing they wanted; it was the last thing anybody wanted. So we just put it to the side. We did one tour and then it was gone.

You tweeted recently that you and Travis had a serious conversation which obviously led to many BCR assumptions from your followers. You’ve since dropped more hints and even asked who fans would want to see guest on a second album. So how many beans can you spill? What’s going on?

[ Laughs .] Well I’m not going to spill any beans, but Travis and I talk all the time. There was always talk of Box Car Racer; we’ve talked about it for a very long time. We just came out with vinyl, and we’ve gotten offers to bring it back. I don’t know if it was like Coachella, but we’ve had things like that pop up from time to time. It’s something that’s never died in our imaginations and it’s something that I think we’re willing to do. Whether we come out with some big announcement or we’re ready to say, “Hey, this is happening,” I don’t know any of those kinds of details. But I think that our passion for what we did lives strong. We do talk about it and we do want to do something but we have no desire to talk about details because there’s a lot going on in my life right now, and [Travis’s]. Blink’s doing really well right now and everyone’s in a good spot, contrary to what public opinion may be. [Laughs.] I have the best situation ever where that band can continue and they can do what they want. And I’m making major motion pictures and working with people in government, so it’s a big deal. 

Do you have any stuff written that you think you would use for a Box Car album?

[Pauses.] You are such an investigator. [ Laughs .]

You’re the investigator, not me.

[ Laughs .] I think the safest answer is that the music I am doing now, that I’m writing now, lives more sided towards that [Box Car Racer] sound than traditional Angels & Airwaves, by nature of what I’m into at this moment.

So if you were to do another album, who are some people you’d love to get involved with it, as far as the guest situation?

You know, it’s funny: On Twitter I was talking to Anthony Green ( Circa Survive , Saosin ). His voice just makes me feel like I’m back in the ’70s or some shit. But, I don’t know… he would be good on that record. That’s a really good question. I mean, do you go with something electronic and edgy, or do you go with someone who’s more of a veteran of cool, where we come from? You know, try to get Ian MacKaye (Fugazi, Minor Threat) to come on there and scream something. Do you put Enya on there? [ Laughs .] I could even see us doing an acoustic song with Ben [Gibbard] from Death Cab [For Cutie], you know? That’d be cool, too. I don’t think there are any limits at all; it just has to be someone very authentic. That’s all I care about.

I saw a lot of people responding to that tweet and suggesting Mark [Hoppus], which I guess you had to expect.

Oh, yeah. That was funny. I saw that, too. [ Laughs .] I didn’t see that coming but I should have.

So if it came to be, what are the chances we’d get a conspiratorial concept album?

If we were to do an album, what are the chances it would be… If it were it’d probably have a twist because I am somebody who’s deeply involved in things that are contrary to public opinion when it comes to conspiracy. I know a lot of stuff and it’s just always different than what you think it is, and that would be a story I would like to tell even if it’s through a concept album. Your emotions cause you to define something that hasn’t been defined and your emotions aren’t always correct. And when you learn the real definition of whatever the subject matter is you might feel a little naive. That to me is much more cerebral and interesting. 

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Box Car Racer is a weird and wild look into the mind of Tom DeLonge. At the height of Blink 182’s success, Tom and Travis set out to make a harder record, a side project. Things are not always what they seem on this album. Songs that are seemingly breakup songs turn out to be about national tragedy. Tom DeLonge’s songwriting is deceptively simple, obfuscating a more complex playing style. The band’s existence and how it was communicated to the public seemingly put too much strain on Blink-182, and it went away before it truly got going. Alternative Press ’s editor in chief Anna Zanes joins Yasi to connect the dots on the one Box Car Racer album we did get.

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Serving as a side project for Blink 182 members Travis Barker and Thomas DeLonge, Boxcar Racer is a return to a more traditional punk sound. Adding guitarist David Kennedy and bassist Anthony Celestino, the group came together between Blink 182 sessions and recorded their eponymous album in the winter of 2001/2002. Cutting much of the pop from their usual sound and showing diverse influences like the Replacements and D.R.I., the band used it as a showcase for the material they wrote that wasn't Blink-friendly. ~ Bradley Torreano

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An unreleased Box Car Racer song exists – and Tom DeLonge says that it will see the light of day at some point…

With 2021 marking the 20-year anniversary of Box Car Racer , Tom DeLonge has confirmed that the band – completed by former blink-182 bandmate Travis Barker, and Hazen Street bassist David Kennedy – have an unreleased song in their arsenal.

Speaking on the latest episode of Rock This with Allison Hagendorf, Tom teases that, "I think Travis already let out of the bag that we do have a Box Car song laying around.

"We have not decided when to release it, but there is one," he adds. "And we did it over the past, like, I think couple of years. But we just got to figure out, like, when that comes out, and how we do that. But we plan to."

Late last year, Travis told Uproxx : "There is a Box Car song that’s unreleased. I think whenever the time’s right or it makes sense, we’re gonna release it. I would just love for the fans to hear that song."

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Elsewhere in Tom's chat with Allison, he enthuses of the upcoming Angels & Airwaves album: "I have never worked so hard on something. And what's encapsulated on this new Angels record, I have a tendency to get emotional about everything I do. It's fucking great. I love it. You know, everyone's like, 'Okay, is it really?' But with this record, I'm like, 'This is like the best shit I've ever done in my life.' It really is.

"Everyone's going to argue about like, 'Oh, I like some of these old songs better or I liked it when they did X,' but I'm just telling you, for who I am as a person and as a songwriter and coming out of the punk scene and taking a left turn, but then coming back to the punk scene, but with that knowledge and life experience, this is some futuristic shit. Every song’s so diverse: you hear New Order, Depeche Mode, you hear Quicksand . You hear little elements of blink and the Descendents . You hear a bit of Box Car. So it starts to become more of a time capsule or some shit where I can lock off something, like, 'This is who I am right now and the sum of all my parts.'"

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Tom DeLonge Confirms Existence of New Box Car Racer Music

In 2002, Tom DeLonge and Travis Barker spun off from Blink-182 a side band called Box Car Racer . Their debut album was well received and yielded a pair of singles, but after the album cycle, the group was shelved in 2003 ... until now. Late last year, DeLonge and Barker seemed to tease something new was afoot with Box Car Racer and during a chat on the Tuna on Toast With Stryker podcast , DeLonge confirmed that there is a new Box Car Racer song that's done, but has yet to be released.

“Travis [Barker] and I recorded a new Box Car song,” the rocker matter-of-factly admitted. “We did it a couple of years ago.”

According to DeLonge, the track has been "floating around" on "someone's computer," and that there was initially an idea to release it last year. When pushed about the vague nature of the song's existence, DeLonge laughingly offered, "We did it. It's there. It's not floating around. It's on our two computers, our phones. I don't know. It's in the fucking cloud. Tim Cook has it."

DeLonge noted that given the 20th anniversary of the first Box Car Racer album is on the horizon next year, it seems like things are lining up for the song's eventual arrival.

“Yes, we are gonna put this out and it’s probably perfect timing now that we’re at that anniversary,” he admitted. “We didn’t right now because I had this big release coming up and I had to focus on finishing it,” he further explained, alluding to Angels and Airwaves’ new album, Lifeforms .

The initial self-titled Box Car Racer peaked at No. 12 on the Billboard 200 Album Chart in 2002, yielding the charting singles "I Feel So" and "There Is." Guitarist David Kennedy was third member of the band upon its initial release, while the group added bassist Anthony Celestino during touring, but it has not been revealed who is part of the modern day recording lineup aside from DeLonge and Barker.

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Moscow Raceway

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Circuit Overview

Moscow Raceway owes its existence to Russia's desire to host a Formula One race but seems destined to lose out to Sochi and the Igora Drive circuits for the foreseeable future.

Boasting a full FIA Grade 1 Grand Prix layout and and FIM Grade B circuit, the track was initially successful at attracting a range of high-profile championships, from the World Superbikes to World Touring Cars, the DTM and the Blancpain World Series.  One by one these have dropped off the schedule, however, leaving the circuit to host mainly national level events, albeit the most important on Russian racing scene.

Circuit History

Plans for a street race in the Russian capital were first mooted in the 1980s and a Grand Prix of the Soviet Union did in fact make it onto the draft F1 calendar for 1983. However, bureaucratic barriers prevented the Grand Prix from being held, and the race was dropped.

Two decades later, new plans were advanced for a permanent circuit on an island in the Molzhaninovsky area in the north of the city. These received backing from the Moscow mayor, and F1 circuit designer Hermann Tilke was engaged to design the facility. Construction was due to start on November 30th, 2001. However, the mayor rejected the commercial contract offered by Bernie Ecclestone and construction was delayed. It was eventually abandoned altogether in January 2003 and the land turned over to a hotel, yacht marina and golf course instead.

By 2008 momentum had built again for a new project, intended to host both F1 and MotoGP events and located around 90 minutes from the capital. Hermann Tilke was again employed to design the permanent facility. Unlike previous attempts, this project became a reality and on October 1, 2008 a delegation including F1 driver David Coulthard witnessed the ceremonial laying of the first stone.

Construction continued throughout the next few years, supervised by Tilke. After initially signing a deal with Bernie Ecclestone in 2008, the project was dropped from the 2010 Formula 1 calendar in early 2009, and construction stopped. Work resumed in June 2010, with the new contractor agreeing to complete the road section of the track. By September 2011, all asphalt laying had been completed, and construction of the associated pit, support and medical buildings was being undertaken.

When the full circuit and all of its infrastructure was completed in July 2012, it had cost a total of 4.5 billion rubles. Tilke had designed a technical circuit featuring a 873 metres long back straight – among the longest allowable under modern track design guidelines – which would see Formula One cars achieve a theoretical 193mph.

When presented for inspection, the circuit achieved FIA 1(T) status, allowing for Formula One testing and all categories of racing below this. However, the FIM only granted Grade B status, one below the expected level for motorcycle. This still allows for the raceway's inclusion on the World Superbike calendar, though further work will be required before MotoGP could visit.  Subsequently, the track has achieved FIA Grade 1 status, allowing for full Formula One races to take place.

A total of 18 variations of the circuit can be run, from the full Grand Prix course, to shorter 'sprint' variations and a small 'club' circuit utilising the western end only. World Superbikes have utilised the FIM GP course, as has the Renault World Series and WTCC from 2013 onwards (the Renault series' had previously used GP1),  while the DTM makes use of the shorter Sprint Circuit 4.

Tragedy struck the circuit during the first visit of the World Superbike Championships in 2013. During the first lap of the supporting World Supersport race, Italian rider Andrea Antonelli lost control on a slick track during torrential rain. He fell to the ground where he was struck by fellow Italian rider Lorenzo Zanetti, dying from his injuries later the same day. Criticism was levelled at race organisers for beginning the race in such conditions, while the circuit fell under scrutiny for what some felt was inadequate drainage – both claims strongly rejected by championship promoters, Dorna.

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Moscow Raceway is located within 90 minutes drive of central Moscow and 20 minutes drive from Volokolamsk.  Moscow's three international airports are within easy reach of the circuit - Sheremetyevo and Vnukovo are both around a 60 mile drive, while Domodedovo is around 90 miles away.

Travelling by car from Moscow, take Novorizhskoye highway (M9) or Volokolamskoye highway and drive for 60 miles/95 km, and then follow the turn sign for Moscow Raceway.   The journey usually takes 90 minutes.

You can also travel by train from Moscow. Take a train from Rizhsky train station to Chismena (2 hours 10 minutes). During international events free shuttle buses are available from the station to the track and back.

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