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Does anyone have any input on the 1999 V10 Good or Bad? I have a 2001 7.3 and im thinking of buying a 1999 V10 and i was wondering if anyone had and type of input as far as mileage or how the V10 tow's compared to the 7.3 or anything else yall may want to add  

buddys uncle has one he has a little trailer one tank 7.2 mpg average:doh:  

Since your in Mi listen to it run for a hissing shound. Chances are the manifold has a crack on it, most V10s I see have it. Personally I'd stick with a Diesel.  

Say good bye to gas mileage. My dad had a v10 when I was younger and it had 35s with little lift and got 9 in the city.:doh: Besides that I have never owned one.  

The bad things about 99 v10s are bad oil pumps:doh:. And the very restrictive manifold(that crack) and Y pipe. And the 99's are only 235HP You are prob better of w a 00(265hp) or newer to get away from the oil pump issue. But they still have the restrictive manifolds and Y pipe. If you go 05 0r newer(365hp) they run like a scolded dog and are very reliable. for power for towing they do pretty good.(05 and newer) Depends on what you tow and how often. I'm sure someone is going to yell at me for this but a stock(o5 and newer) will smoke a stock 7.3 Newest v10s can get as high as 15 mpg(highway) Which isnt too bad when you think about the power and when gas is at least $1.00 a gallon less than diesel  

If you don't plan on doing alot of heavy pulling then they're ok, but if your thinking of buying this for a tow rig, you need to get a diesel.  

Yeah, there were more V-10's installed in C-class motor homes then all other engines from all 3 auto companies combined. The V-10 is one tough engine that tows just fine. Yes, the 99 had a few problems, mostly with restrictive exhaust/Y-pipe and blowing spark plugs. That was fixed totally in 2002 and the HP was upped to a 365 in 2006 to present. With adding the new Ford Torqueshift tranny, the V-10 is tough to beat when matched with the right rear end ratio. It will give the new diesels a run for their money and beat most of them. In the Truck Trend mag a few months ago, where they tested all 3 auto maker diesels and all 3 gassers, the Ford V-10 was rated the best gasser and the comment was "it is as close to being a diesel rig as any gasser could be."  

all these mentions of other year engines have no merit in this thread. the v10 the OP is looking at is a dog, and will never compare to a 7.3. stick with diesel bro. biggest mistake our FD ever made was buying a v10...  

I owned a 99 I did an intake and exhaust It had a 5-speed as well It wasn't bad on gas 15-17 at 65mph. But I went back to the ol' 460 that would run this truck into the ground with similar mods at 10 mpg though. But I fell in love with my 7.3 when I test drove and sent the 460 down the road. Needless to say the 7.3 would stomp the V10 LOADED or EMPTY.  

thanks everyone for yr replies and thanks slowleak for pointing out the yr i was looking at, the only reason that yr is important is i was concerding trading my 7.3 for a 99 V10 and i dont know sh1t about them...I hate to get rid of my diesel but fuel prices have got me so frustraded...... and my 7.3 mpg sucks..........  

A good tune and a air intake should up your milage quit a bit. Dad's 01 (4x4 ext cab 8' bed 6 speed 3.73 gear) gets around 19-21 mpg running @75mph. That truck is similar to yours so your results will probably be similar. Real trucks dont have sparkplugs!  

You dont want a v10 no matter what year the mileage sucks. My old employer had a 99 got 10 mpg highway on average. My buddy just got an 07 10.2 mpg is the best hes gotten out of it so far and thats babying it  

I did the math a couple weeks ago towing 7k at 60-65 i got 10mpg And then again on a tank without towing anything 75%highway and 25%city And got 11.. Ive had this truck since new and its running fine great power just no mps's  

The wife has a 2000 lifted excursion w/ headers , some air intake upgrade,throttle body . 3.73 LS rears. When she wanted one I brought home several 7.3 's from the local dealer , finally she went with me and she jumped in the gasser tromped on it and that is the one she had to have (i think it was the color). Nope , she dont tow , dont really haul heavy , but she can take a half a dozen kids snow boarding and stop at super wal-mart on the way home and still have room. When we drive on vacation I get the chance to run it and I like it .  

What's yr V10 mpg pappy?  

It's a 2008, Supercab, shortbed, 4.10 rear, automatic, V-10. I get an average during the summer, of 11.6 around town and going from my house to Boise which is 50 miles of curves and hills. Towing heavy, I have never gotten below 9.0 and seems to hover around 9.5 no matter what the terrain is. I have added the Diablosport Predator and have it set on the middle, 91 octane position, and added the Air Raid intake system. A total of $600 in mods. I have had this setup for almost all of my 30k on the truck. Runs like a top and I wouldn't change anything.  

I just based this off of all the trucks I've had. 1997 cclb 80horse chip and 3 inch dp, picked up 1.5 mpg. 2001 dodge ram 3500 4x4 6 speed 11,500pds 4.10 gears edge box avg 20.8mpg stock mpg 15. 1996 cclb 4x4 35's, 530 hybrids big oil trans air intake fuel system 3.55 gears 19.5 mpg stock 15. I guess I should have said "results will vary":doh:  

My uncle just bought a 2008 CC short bed V-10 with 4.10 rear about 2 weeks ago. he just took a 400 mile hunting trip out to iowa and he averaged about 12.0mpg. havnt had it long enough to tow anything around the farm yet.  

If you're only getting 12 or 13 mpg out of a SRW 7.3 then you have something wrong with it. My truck in sig on a bad day will get 17mpg(with a strong headwind). Normally I am in the 19-20mpg range. I have on occasion achieved 23.5 mpg while babying it a lot. Fathers 99 7.3 gets 19mpg all day long @ 75mph with 305,000 miles on it. Brothers stock 2004 6.0 gets 18-20 no matter how you drive it. Nobody that I know with a 7.3 gets below 17mpg unless they are towing really heavy or hot rodding around. A V10 can't touch a properly running diesel in the mpg department. I agree the new V10's make good power, but I haven't seen one yet that's turning out almost 700 lb ft of torque and still get 20mpg like my 12 year old truck does.  

And comparing fuel prices, i'm sorry but $1.79 per gallon @ 11mpg costs a lot more than $2.23 per gallon @ 20mpg... (current fuel prices here)  

We run a fleet of v-10's where i work (my boss is a retard) and all of them live under 24-32 foot flatbed gooseneck trailers. We never haul less than 15,000lb and in my opinion they suck. They will run 70-80 on the flats but as soon as you hit a hill you better get out and help push. Our mileage runs between 4.2 and 5.8. I've offered to race my boss pulling ( did I mention he's a retard) with my 96 psd but he wont take me up on it. Oh ya and at 100,000 plan on a new motor. The best i've seen so far as about 113,000 before they blow. I know first hand, I'm workin on blowin up my third one rite now.  

Well maybe your boss is a retard depending on the way he has his V-10's set up. If you all are hauling what you say, then he should have adjusted the rearend ratio to make up the difference. If you look at all of the motor homes and C class vehicles with V-10's and look at the number of complaints versus the number of diesel engine complaints, there is no comparison, the diesel engines are dead last for TSB's. Yes, my 2002 7.3 hopped up to the max would consistantly get 16-18 mpg depending on my foot, no argument there. And, that 7.3 had plenty of poop, I'd guess close to 400 hp when I sold it. BUT, when you look at an occasional tower, even at max, and include the difference in fuel cost and maintenance issues, the new V-10 is one hell of an engine to do most anything it is asked to do. I would not change my decision to order my 2008 from a 6.4 diesel to a V-10 gasser, as my "gas and go" is a real winner.  

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Limited 7.3L 4x4 2003 Ford Excursion Review

2003 excursion new car test drive, they dont come any bigger than this., introduction.

The Ford Excursion is the king of big sport-utilities. It is supremely stable; it feels safe and secure on the open highway. Whether you have a lot of cargo to carry, a bunch of people to transport, a big trailer to pull or all of the above, the Excursion is ready for whatever you throw its way. It's a beast, however, taking up more garage space, parking space, and street space than anything else this side of a dually. 

Ford Excursion comes in two trim levels: XLT and Limited.  The XLT includes three versions: SSV, Base and Premium while the Limited offers Base and Ultimate versions.  All XLTs come with a nice cloth interior with comfortable seats that offer good support for long drives and a high level of standard equipment. The Base version adds body side cladding, a cargo net, day/night mirrors, a removable third-row seat and chrome steel wheels. The Premium upgrade includes a center floor console, autolamp headlights, rear-seat audio controls, running boards, six-way power front seats, a trip computer, alloy wheels and power rear quarter windows.  Limited trim adds automatic front air conditioning, wood grain trim, fog lights, turn signals on the exterior rear view mirrors, wheel moldings, power adjustable pedals, a reverse sensing system, leather seats and speed-sensitive intermittent wipers.  The Limited Ultimate adds a retractable cargo cover, HomeLink garage door opener, power adjustable pedals with memory feature, heated front seats and a deluxe steering wheel with audio and air conditioning controls.  Three engines are available: a V8, a V10, and a turbocharged diesel. And, of course, there's a choice of two- or four-wheel drive.  The base XLT 4x2 retails for $32,820. We drove a $38,235 XLT 4x4 with the V10. We've also driven a diesel, which adds about $4,000 to the bottom line.  Among the new equipment for 2002 is an available rear-seat entertainment system with a DVD player ($1,360). 

The Ford Excursion is based on Ford's Super Duty F-Series pickup trucks and is more than seven inches longer than the Chevrolet Suburban.  Excursion's rear cargo doors are split three ways. You can swing the glass hatch up for quick access to gear. This same glass hatch offers much better visibility rearward while driving than vehicles with traditional split doors. The rear doors are half height, like Dutch doors. Thus, they can be opened when you've got a trailer attached and can be swung nearly 180 degrees for easier access.  Excursion 4x4 models come standard with Ford's 6.8-liter single overhead-cam Triton V10. It generates 310 horsepower and 425 foot-pounds of torque. A 5.4-liter V8 is available as a no-cost option, but few will be built; it puts out 255 horsepower and 350 foot-pounds of torque. A 7.3-liter turbodiesel engine is also available, and produces 250 horsepower and a whopping 505 foot-pounds of torque.  If you drive off the pavement or on snow-covered roads, you'll want to opt for the $250 limited-slip, the $130 all-terrain tires, and the $75 skid plate. Optional $95 trailer mirrors feature little convex mirrors at the bottom that eliminate blind spots. Ford says the Class IV receiver hitch, which comes standard, is designed to prevent smaller cars from going underneath the rear bumper, while a specially designed BlockerBeam is designed to accomplish the same goal up front. 

Inside the Excursion is a comfortable interior. It doesn't matter whether you're sitting in the front seats, second row or third row, all of the seats offer generous legroom, headroom and elbow room.  Six adults can ride in comfort with 48 cubic feet of cargo space left behind them. For shorter trips, like going to a restaurant, the Excursion can seat eight people, or nine if you order the front bench instead of the bucket seats.  Remove the third-row bench seat, and the Excursion can easily carry five people and a lot of gear. Removing the third-row seat is easy: Flip the seatback forward, yank a bar at the foot of the seat and pull the seat toward the rear of the vehicle; it glides along on rollers. The seat weighs 75 pounds, but in short order I pulled it out and threw it into the back of another SUV on a cold Montana morning.  Set up as a two-seater, the Excursion can carry an outlandish amount of cargo. A sheet of plywood slides in easy and lays flat on the floor. Two people could sleep in comfort on the huge, flat cargo area. Believe it or not, we managed to fill an Excursion. We were finishing a three-day float-fishing trip. As planned, the river guide in charge of setting up camp had arrived at our vehicles ahead of us. He quickly stuffed all of the supplies from base camp and enough fishing equipment for eight people inside. When he was done stuffing, only seating for two remained and the rear-view mirror was rendered useless. Granted, he could have packed more efficiently, but he was grateful for such a large storage container.  After reorganizing the equipment and putting some of it into another vehicle, six of us piled into the Excursion and made the long trip back to town. Cruising along steadily with this load, the Excursion demonstrated its virtues of size, stability and power. I was surprised when this cynical group of fishermen sang its praises.  The Excursion comes with a nicely designed interior. The dash is attractive and well designed and all of the controls are easy to find and operate. 

Driving Impression

Cruising along in a 2002 Ford Excursion gives you a secure feeling. It's smooth and quiet.  The V10 is a delightful engine. It produces 310 horsepower and can propel the Excursion along the Interstate at high rates of speed. The V10 generates a very impressive 425 foot-pounds of torque at 3250 rpm. Tell someone you have a V10 and they think you're driving a rocket. But an Excursion 4x4 weighs about 7,200 pounds, so its acceleration performance at high altitudes seems no better than an Explorer or Expedition.  Still, it had no trouble passing other vehicles on two-lane roads. The Excursion is rock solid at 97 mph where a governor keeps you from going any faster. The EPA doesn't even rate trucks this big for fuel economy, but you should expect something in the 10-12 mpg range; we saw 14 mpg on the highway, but 10 mpg is more likely around town.  If you like diesel engines, you'll love Ford's turbocharged 7.3-liter Power Stroke. It seems unaffected by high altitude and I was amazed at its ability to accelerate past slower cars on two-lane roads. The diesel generates 505 foot-pounds of torque at just 1600 rpm, useful for pulling stumps out of your yard or pulling heavy trailers up steep ramps. Ford worked hard to reduce noise from the diesel both inside and outside the Excursion; but you still shouldn't expect to sneak up on anyone. The diesel gets around 16 to 18 mpg, and with a 44-gallon fuel tank, the diesel has a range of more than 700 miles.  On paper, the Excursion is with a 5.4-liter V8, but I suspect they would struggle if you loaded six passengers and luggage and headed for the mountains. This engine is best left as an economical engine for utility companies in the flatlands.  While the 4x2 comes with Ford's Twin I-Beam front suspension and coil springs, the 4x4 uses a solid front axle and leaf springs. Differences in ride and handling between the two are surprisingly subtle. The 4x4 handles well, tackling corners with confidence and offering good grip on dirt roads. It does not offer the ride sophistication of the newest generation Suburban and Yukon XL 1500-series models, however. At high speeds, the Excursion is stable. Strong crosswinds and an 18-wheeler going in the opposite direction had little effect.  Its long wheelbase means the Excursion is not a serious off-road vehicle. But the part-time four-wheel-drive system and 8.1-inch ground clearance should get you up some pretty gnarly dirt roads in nasty weather. The Excursion does not offer a system like GM's Autotrac, which distributes torque front to rear automatically for slushy, inconsistent conditions. But Ford's clever vacuum-controlled hub-locking system quickly engages four-wheel drive on the fly by pressing a button. A low-range set of gears is ready whenever you need to tackle steep, slippery terrain.  Most important, the Excursion is rated to tow trailers up to 10,000 pounds (more than enough to pull a hefty boat). All Excursions come ready to tow, with a Class IV receiver hitch and factory-wired seven-pin electrical connector; a four-pin adapter is also included. All Excursions come with D-load range light-truck tires, LT265/75R-16D. You may want the available all-terrain treads if you drive on muddy trails, but the all-season tires are smoother and quieter for towing long distances.  This is a heavy vehicle, however. It's so heavy that it doesn't offer a big payload.  There's no getting around the fact that this is a big vehicle and its size is apparent in downtown areas. The Suburban is easier to manage. However, if you're used to big rigs, then you'll find this one surprisingly maneuverable and easy to park. 

Ford's gargantuan sport-utility is a stable platform for towing heavy trailers and can at the same time carry a truckload of fishermen. It rides fairly well for a heavy-duty truck and it's luxurious and comfortable. For those who want to tow trailers up to 10,000 pounds, the Excursion is a good alternative to a pickup with a cap.  The Ford Excursion should not, however, be considered as an alternative to a minivan. It's far too thirsty, and its size and design make for poor maneuverability and handling when compared with minivans and light-duty SUVs. 

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XLT 4x2 ($32,820), XLT 4x4 ($36,075), Limited 4x2 ($38,795), Limited 4x4 ($41,895). 

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Are the v10 and the 7.3 transmissions interchangable? Do the internals differ? I am wondering if i can stick a v10 4r100 into my truck? I would think they are the same. Are the converters interchangable? From gas to diesel? thx  

you would figure the gearing is different due to the different RPM range  

They are not the same trans. Mounting is different.  

mounting to the engine? thx  

yes. the housing is different.  

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