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Volkswagen Golf Owners Manual: Operating Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)

Fig. 169 Left-hand side of the multifunction steering wheel: buttons for operating the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)

Conditions for starting the Adaptive Cruise Control

• The selector lever must be in position D or S or be in the Tiptronic gate. A forward gear, but not 1st gear, must be selected in the manual gearbox.
• In vehicles with a manual gearbox, the actual speed should be minimum 30 km/h (18 mph) if no speed is stored.

Controlling speed

When switched on, the speed can be stored and set. The stored speed can vary from the speed actually being driven if the distance is being actively controlled.

The mph figures given in brackets in the table relate exclusively to instrument clusters with mile readings.

Stop-and-go traffic and the vehicle automatically pulling away

Automatic pulling away is not available for all vehicles and countries.

Setting the distance level

The speed-dependent distance from the vehicle in front can be set to one of 5 levels in the infotainment system   .

In wet road conditions, you should always set a larger distance than when driving in dry road conditions.

The following distances can be pre-selected:

When the highest level is reached, the distance returns to the lowest level when the button is pressed again.

Setting the driving programme

In vehicles with Driving Mode Selection, the selected driving mode (Driving Mode Selection) can affect the acceleration response   .

The following driving modes can be selected:

The following conditions can prevent the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) from reacting:

• If the accelerator is depressed.
• If no gear is selected.
• If the ESC is taking corrective action.
• If the driver has not fastened seat belt.
• If there is a fault in several brake lights on the vehicle or on a trailer with an electrical connection to the vehicle.
• If the vehicle is reversing.
• If the vehicle is travelling faster than approximately 160 km/h (100 mph).

• The ACC may not be able to recognise all driving situations correctly.
• Leaving your foot on the accelerator will mean that the ACC will not brake automatically. This is because manual acceleration overrides the system.
• You should always be prepared to brake the vehicle yourself.
• Observe country-specific regulations regarding the minimum distance.

The set speed will be deleted if the ignition or the ACC is switched off.

The ACC is automatically deactivated when the traction control system (TCS) is deactivated.

In vehicles with a start/stop system, the engine is switched off automatically during the stationary phase of ACC and is then restarted for moving off.

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Switch off the adaptive cruise control (acc) temporarily in the following situations, other materials:.

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Adaptive Cruise Control ⁠ 1

Part of the iq.drive safety-enhancing and intelligent technologies.

Adaptive cruise control (ACC) helps drivers maintain a constant speed and distance from the vehicle ahead using sensors to detect other vehicles . 
The system can reduce speed of the vehicle if there is a slower moving vehicle ahead, bring the vehicle to a standstill, and resume speed regulation as long as the vehicle in front is moving again.

Maintain a safe distance

Assists with unintentional tailgating

Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) feature allows drivers to maintain a constant speed while also keeping a safe distance from the vehicle ahead using sensors. This helps reduce the stress of constantly adjusting speed and distance, making the driving experience more comfortable.

Safety and confidence on the road

Adaptive responses for responsible driving

With the ability to slow down or bring the vehicle to a standstill in response to slower moving vehicles ahead, drivers can feel confident that they are driving safely and responsibly. This feature also ensures that drivers can easily resume speed regulation once the vehicle in front starts moving again, making the driving experience smoother and more enjoyable.

The ins and outs of  adaptive cruise control

How it works

Helps you maintain a preset speed and/or preset distance from the vehicle directly ahead. When dealing with traffic on the highway, it uses sensors to detect vehicles ahead of you, helping adjust your speed, and manages the distance between you and what’s in front of you.⁠

Instructions

• To engage the system, press the ON/OFF button on your steering wheel and then set your speed by accelerating to the desired speed and press the SET button.
• To increase the set speed by the 1 mph, press the + button. If you press and hold the + button, the speed will increase continuously in 5 mph increments.
• To decrease the set speed by the 1 mph, press the - button. If you press and hold the - button, the speed will decrease continuously in 5 mph increments.
• To adjust the following distance from the vehicle in front of you, press the ACC button on your steering wheel. As you press the ACC button, you'll see a change in the number of solid bars in your digital cockpit. The more bars visible, the greater the following distance. You can make the same adjustments using the +/- buttons immediately after pressing the ACC button or in your infotainment screen.
• To cancel, press the brake pedal or quickly press the cruise control button on the steering wheel.
• To resume a previously stored speed, press the RES button on the steering wheel.
• When you accelerate, the ACC function pauses and then resumes as soon as you stop accelerating.
• Note that, in some conditions, select vehicles may come to a complete standstill. For example, if the vehicle ahead of you comes to a stop, your vehicle will also come to a stop. The stop and go feature is included on all model year 2024 vehicles . For previous generation models , see your owner’s manual for vehicle limitations.

Limitations

• You must be driving above a minimum speed to activate the system. For some models the minimum speed is 15 mph; for others, it is 20 mph.
• Only reacts to objects within the sensor’s line of sight; some vehicles such as those depicted below are not detected until they are within the sensor’s line of sight.
• While all MY22 and newer vehicles can detect pedestrians, only some can detect cyclists. See your Owner’s Manual for your vehicle ’s limitations.
• Once activated, system only operates between 0 and 95 mph.
• The following situations can lead to unwanted braking: 
• Damage to or misalignment of the sensor or sensor mounting.
• Sensor blockage, which can be caused by ice/snow buildup, dirt, mud or leaves. 
• Towing heavy trailers or carrying heavy cargo in the rear of the vehicle , which can elevate the front of the vehicle and change sensor angles. 
• Curvature in the road.
• The following situations can disable the system:
• Damage to, misalignment of or blockage of the sensor.
• Towing heavy trailers or carrying heavy cargo in the rear of the vehicle , which can elevate the front of the vehicle and change sensor angles.

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Keeps your distance. And observes speed limits.

Adaptive Cruise Control ACC helps you to maintain a previously set maximum speed and a predefined distance to the vehicle ahead . In conjunction with a navigation system, ACC is enhanced by predictive cruise control and a cornering assist function. ACC can adapt the vehicle speed to the applicable speed restrictions and course of the road (bends, roundabouts, etc.) . In conjunction with the dual clutch gearbox (DSG)*, you can also stay relaxed when driving in traffic jams and stop-and-go traffic . * DSG only in the Touareg

Available in the following models

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Adaptive Cruise Control ACC helps you to maintain a previously set maximum speed and a predefined distance to the vehicle ahead . It also features predictive cruise control and cornering assist function. ACC can adapt the vehicle speed to the applicable speed restrictions and course of the road (bends, roundabouts, etc .

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• complete set for retrofitting an automatic cruise control (ACC) incl. City Emergency Braking for VW Golf VII 7
• by a radar sensor in the front bumper, the system controls both the speed and the distance to the vehicle ahead
• adjustable speed up to 160 or 210 km/h (for manual transmission from the 2nd gear)
• stop & go function (only with automatic transmission)
• increase of the riding comfort in heavy traffic and long highway trips
• the City Emergency Braking are able to warn of impending collisions
• display of distance and control range in the speedometer
• selection of the distance via the multifunction steering wheel (if installed) or via the separate steering column lever on the left side
• selection of the driving program dynamically, comfort & standard on the radio

Selectable options:

• up to 160 km/h
• up to 210 km/h

Scope of delivery:

• depending on the chassis number
• coding dongle
• shipping only by prior arrangement
• only suitablte for vehicles with MFA medion (PR-No: 9S5) or high (PR-No: 9S6), at 9S2 or 9S3 the speedometer must be replaced (on request)
• not suitable for vehicles with PR-No.: FM1 (only sales typ 5G1 and BA5)
• not suitable for vehicles with engine DGEA
• the compatibility of the CAN Gateway need to be checked and if necessary replaced against the Highline variant.
• the delivered hardware partly comes from test vehicles and went through a comprehensive functional test. The software is up to date

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10 tech-tastic features inside the new VW Golf 7

High-tech features now coming as standard

It's enough to make us want to learn German. The new VW Golf 7 launched in Berlin early last month with a slew of innovative new tech features, including lane keeping and emergency urban braking.

The remarkable news is not that the new Golf is so tech-laden, but that these high-end features are typically found on luxury vehicles intended for lawyers and celebrities. Here are the top ten.

1. Lane-keeping

Normally found in a Lexus or Infiniti, the lane-keeping features in the Golf 7 are quite advanced. In some vehicles, a lane alert chimes to tell you to pay attention. In the Golf, the vehicle causes a slight buzz on the steering wheel and nudges you slightly back into the lane. The improvement here is that the lane departure system works continuously, not just when it detects a problem.

2. Direct Steering

If you compare an older Golf to the newer models, you will notice one major difference: the steering in a newer model is much tighter and responsive. That's what makes the Golf fun to drive, like a more accurate controller for a video game. The Golf 7 adds a new feature using a progressive gear ratio that makes steering even more responsive. You feel as though the car is more in your control.

3. Fatigue Detection

Even a Mercedes-Benz from a few years ago had a system that monitored your steering angle, speed, and how long you've been on the road. The new Golf 7 now has this feature as well, which is surprising for a small car. When you first start driving, the Golf monitors how you drive, noting your usual patterns. (For example, that you correct within a split-second.) As you drive, the Golf knows if you change your patterns and warns you to take a break. The system debut in the re-designed Passat.

4. Adaptive cruise control

Many mid-range to high-end cars offer adaptive cruise control (ACC), a system that controls your speed based on the car in front of you. Some only do this at highways speeds, some will adjust your speed in urban areas. The Golf 7 does both – from 30 to 150 kmh and even down to a full stop. Ask anyone who has ACC and you'll find out how beneficial it is – it can be a real life-saver.

5. Multicollision braking

One of the most innovative features has to do with post-crash braking. Many luxury cars will brake automatically if the forward warning system detects an imminent crash. Some will bring you to a full stop. The Golf 7 has a unique system that will do pre-crash braking but will also keep braking if you do collide. (Studies show many serious injuries occur after an initial impact.)

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6. 64GB SSD

In the upper trim level, the Golf 7 comes with a massive 64GB SSD drive that is ostensibly designed to house nav data and other information for the vehicle, but the drive can access about 10GB. The 8-inch touchscreen allows you to control this media with the flip of your finger.

7. Built-in WiFi

Yet another unique feature for a small car, the upper trim levels (those that comes with the 9-inch touchscreen, called Discover Pro) offer a mobile hotspot feature. This is a bit different from some – the car itself has carrier service for some of the nav systems, so you can enable a hotspot and then allow passengers (or the driver while stopped) to tap into the signal with a tablet or phone.

8. Emergency braking

Many cars have a pre-crash system that slams on the brakes and deploys the airbags. In the Golf 7, there's a subtle variation. In slow speeds below 30 kph, the Golf can apply brakes in three stages, which are essentially: light braking if a crash is not imminent, medium braking, and full-stop.

9. Light assist

This feature might seem unusual to those who normally drive budget-model cars. As you drive at night, the high-beams will automatically activate and deactivate. There's a forward-facing camera that detects oncoming traffic. When there are no cars, the high-beams turn on for you.

10. Lighter construction

Even though it is not a tech feature, the steel construction of the new Golf is a win for fuel economy (a rating we won't know until the car hits the road) and durability. VW says they reduced the overall weight by 23 kg to make the Golf, yet the high-grade construction is just as safe.

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The What and How of Adaptive Cruise Control

H itting the road for a long trip? Here's your new best friend: Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) . This technology is becoming increasingly standard on many car models, and for good reason! ACC takes the stress out of highway driving by automatically adjusting your speed to match the car in front of you. It also helps maintain a safe following distance, making your drive more relaxing and secure.

How ACC works

Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) uses a smart team of sensors. Most systems rely on a combination of a radar and a camera, depending on the carmaker. The radar acts like a super-sensitive echolocation system, sending out signals that bounce off the car in front of you to measure how far away it is. The camera works like an extra set of eyes, picking up visual details to confirm what the radar detects. Together, they create a more accurate picture of the road ahead.

One of the biggest perks of ACC is that it can help you avoid collisions . If the system detects a slowing car ahead or a potential hazard, it'll typically warn you with a light on your dashboard and an audible beep . If the system senses you're not responding and a collision is imminent, some ACCs can automatically apply the brakes to help slow you down.  

The development of ACC

While some advanced ACC systems can detect lane changes , it's important to remember they typically won't initiate them for you. However, they can make lane changes smoother by adjusting your speed to match surrounding traffic. Once the coast is clear, ACC helps you return to your preferred cruising speed, keeping your drive comfortable and controlled.

All in all, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) has become a game-changer for highway driving, offering a double dose of benefits: safety and comfort. ACC helps reduce the risk of collisions and takes the stress out of long stretches of road. It's a clear example of how the auto industry is constantly innovating to make driving safer and more enjoyable for everyone.

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Adaptive Cruise Control retrofit – ACC on MQB

The latest generation of compact cars from Volkswagen-Audi Group offered quite some interesting driver’s assistant features.After having  Lane Assist camera retrofitted , I came up with an idea of having Adaptive Cruise Control on my MY2013 Golf MK7. ACC system is based on Bosch radar which works thanks to the Doppler Effect and waves reflection.

This tutorial will be based on my VW Golf MK7 with manual gearbox, A5 Front Camera and ORIS OEM trailer control module. It works in speed range of 20 do 210km/h. If you are planning to use it in DSG equipped car you will get also Stop-to-Follow functionality which provides stopping capability and moving after car was stopped.

Needed parts

• Front bumper guard with mount for the radar –  5G0 807 109 H
• Hanger for ACC radar – 5Q0 907 461 A
• ACC radar plug – 4F0 972 708
• Plastic cover for the radar – 5G0 907 225 9B9  – 15,42 zł brutto w ASO
• Radar LRR3 Bosch (up to 210km/h 5Q0 907 541 D, F, H, P or  G up to 160km/h).
• You need to check rear ABS sensors – has to be bidirectional WHT003864A
• Workshop with capability of Component Protection removal (probably your dealer can do it)
• Steering wheel dedicated to ACC (it’s also possible just to replace left buttons)
• Harness (it’s easy to do it by yourself, 4 up to 6 wires).
• Car has to be equipped with Gateway High – with Extended Can

Luckly enough Golf MK7 has Cruise Control buttons on the steering wheel. You need to replace left buttons or the whole wheel – depends on the costs:

Few words about radars

During preparation of this article I found out a lot of information noise in this topic across the internet. I’d like to shed some light to make it easy to but proper parts, there are two main types of radars which you can find on MQB platform:

• LRR – Long Range Radar – (up to 250m, up to210km/h) – round shape.

• MRR Gen1 – Middle Range Radar – (up to 160m, up to 160km/h or up to 210km/h in conjunction  Lane Assist camera ) – flat shape.

• MRR Gen2, Gen3 – Middle Range Radar – modern flat shape radars, capable of Pedestrian protection, predictive ACC, best on market.

LRR radars were mounted on early released Golf MK7 and Skoda Octavia 3 (version G,  with software limitation up to 160km/h). This type of a radar is more sensitive and more precise then the MRR but it’s also much more expensive – over 900 euro. Audi A3 is still factory equipped with LRR radar as a premium segment representative. Since the middle 2013 VW started mountingt MRR radars in order to cost cuts (price of a brand new MRR unit is around 400 euros). MRR radars has shorter range and sensitivity, in order to provide 210km/h range they need to be used with A5 Front Camera.

To be more precise, you can find three types of radars:

• Radar LRR – round – has only   Component Protection
• Radar MRRPlus – flat – has  Component Protection  and  SWaP/FEC license 
• Radar MRREvo – flat – has  Component Protection  and  SWaP/FEC license 

Component Protection is fairly easy to unlock. It requires visit to your local dealer with legally bought radar and some small payment (around 50-100 euro in Poland). MRR radars has the SWaP/FEC license mechanism and it’s  fairly impossible  to retrofit it in an easy way. are a bit harder to retrofit.

Sum up: If you are on budget, you should buy round LRR radar. I was using  5Q0 907 541 P on my Golf MK7.

If you want best functionality, go for MRREvo Gen3.

I found some misleading information on the internet, that you need to somehow hack or modify firmware/bootloader of the radar in order to install it on your device. It’s absolute lie, the only thing is Component Protection and proper coding.

You need to change the front bumper amplifier!  If you’ll buy used radar it will be factory calibrated on a car. In order to keep this calibration you have to mount in in the same exact position (there is a margin of 0.08* degree). Price of amplifier with radar mount is almost the same as regular one, you can still sell the old one and get the money back.

You will need to remove the bumper in order to change the amplifier. There are 4 screws on each side, 2 screws holding the grill from the top and 7 screws on the bottom. Fell free to check some bumper removal video available on YouTube for example this one.

Amplifier is mounted using 8 screws and 4 screws (2 on each side) which are attached to the intercooler. You don’t need to remove headlight to do it.

Harness should be prepared based on the diagram:

Pin 1 – Ground Pin 2 – Can Extended HIGH Pin 3 – Can Extended LOW Pin 4 – empty Pin 5 –  Camera A5 – Lane Assist – Can HIGH – Pin 7 Pin 6 –  Camera A5 – Lane Assist – Can LOW – Pin 1 Pin 7 – empty Pin 8 – +12V Terminal 15 – from the cabin fuse box

Length of the cables should be measured on the car. Two of the cables to the Can Extendes should be routed to TIUL coupling point, additional pair of can cables sould go from the radar to the A5 Front Camera (if you have one).

It’s REALLY important to use power from fuse box in the cabin not the engine bay! At the beginning I’ve used the fuse box in the engine bay and I’ve felt in constant loop of errors. I wasn’t able to start the system as module 13- ACC Radar was constantly getting error code – radar separated. Probably the current is delivered with a small delay.

01 – Engine 149 – Check Coding of ECUs on Powertrain Data Bus P1647 00 [175] – –

13 – Auto Dist. Reg 1043 — Automatic Distance Control B10E7 F0 [047] — Disconnected

After successful radar installation you need to do the coding – using VCDS, ODIS or VCP. It’s good to follow XaGiCo Dossier guide, I’ll provide few of my own comments :

• 01 – Engine  – for manual gearbox you need to tick ACC – PR-8T5 – for DSG gearbox you need to set ACC with Front Assist (PR-8T3, PR-8T8)
• 03 – ABS (coding for 29 bit) you ned to edit bit 24: – for manual gearbox you need set: 14 (or 16) – for manual gearbox and Lane Assist you need to set F4 – for DSG gearbox you need to set F8
• 09 – Gateway –  Add 13 – Auto Dist. Reg  on the installation list – Under Adaptation change steering wheel type to ACC
• 17 – Instrument – On the cluster set all the ticks for Front Assist and Distance Regulation
• 5F – Radio  – Set all the ticks for Front Assist, ACC and PreCrash
• A5 – Front Camera – Set presence of ACC

The last module that need to be coded is the Radar itself. Here is my coding for the unit:

Address 13: Auto Dist. Reg (J428) Labels:| 5Q0-907-567.clb Part No SW: 5Q0 907 567 P HW: 5Q0 907 567 P Component: ACC3 H10 0100 Coding: 00000100FE030B

Clear all the DTC error and start using your newly equipped Adaptive Cruise Control.

May thanks to guys Trust2k , downtime  and Eldar    for all the help and knowledge.

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Hello, I will also perform this retrofit on my Golf, I am currently sourcing parts.

Can you explain how to replace steering wheels buttons?

You need to pray whole trim from the steering wheel and then unscrew the buttons,

I feel I need to add some better explanation to this 🙂 I removed the buttons yesterday so now I know better.

first of all, be aware that almost certainly you will break some pegs in the steering wheel trim. that thing is simply not meant to be removed. I was as gentle as I could but I broke two, fortunately the two middle top. I was able to glue them back with 2-component glue for plastic, and I also reinforced all the others. should be good because when I put the trim back, I will not touch it ever again.

second, it’s better that we point out that buttons are different between regular and Sport steering wheel. I surely know because I bought the wrong ones 🙁 regular buttons are 5G0 959 442 K and Sport buttons are 5G0 959 442 N.

all the rest was pretty straight forward to me, I had already removed bumper when I retrofitted Park Assist. I also had spare wires on hold that I pulled when I started all retrofits.

I have not plugged in the radar yet, I have to wait for CP removal on monday. I hope I do not need calibration. will let you know for sure.

Hi, I am planning to retrofit Lane change assist in Audi A3 8V, Is Calibration required for Used Lane Change Assist Radar?

thanks for the info.a friend already told me that the first radars did not have swap I did not believe it, now after seeing you, I already have a radar at home waiting for the rest of the pieces to arrive, everything works perfect, right?

Yep, everythings works fine since the installation.

ok,very thanks.

Adaptive cruise control + front assist works. I do not understand why on the internet they talk about that only hacked works. Thank you so much for everything.

I was also very skeptical about the round radar not having FeC and the final confirmation was this blog.

can you guys both confirm you did NOT need calibration?

Hi, I’m waiting for the buttons on the steering wheel to arrive. in 10/15 days I receive it and I can tell you, but if it does not vary 0.08 it is not necessary to calibrate.

I just finished activation and coding, and went for a test drive.

100 % FUNCTIONAL !!!

NO calibration needed 🙂

Cool, good to hear that. You went for 210km/h version?

I’m looking forward to my pieces.

I have letter G that is up to 160km.

I give it to a friend and I can not complain

Ciao Davide, lo sblocco componenti l’hai fatto in Service Volkswagen ? Avevi già la centralina Gateway High o hai sostiuito anche quella ?

everything working perfect !!

Does it work if I do not have Cruise Control but I have Highline Gateway which supports radar and spring column?

Hello, thanks for the great guide!

I have a question about the wiring harness. I do not know where to plug in Pin 2 and Pin 3, CAN EXTENDED HIGH and CAN EXTENDED LOW.

I found the TIUL coupler but there are several pins and connections there. Can anyone please explain?

Great Stuff, How can I get in touch with trust2k?

Im also traying to retrofit acc on my2015 golf 7 – my car cam from factory with FRONT ASSIST already. So i did ask VCP to make parameterisation to enable ACC on my radar unit 5Q0 907 572 D. But after seeing XaGiCo Dossier guide i notice he aslo use ODIS engennering to enable ACC on can adress 19…. Is tis step necessary or you can make coding in VCDS and voila ACC is working?

Hello, do you think it should work with a Seat Leon 5F ? i still have a MRR radar on it, is the replacement with a LRR radar is just plug and play or do i have to change the wires ? Thank you for this post, very interresting 🙂

i have a VW Passat CC V6 4WD 2014. is it possible to retrofit ACC to this car?

Hello Does the LRR with front camera support Traffic Jam Assist? (This means the Lane assist could be activated even in lower speed)

I have a Golf 7 2013 model with ACC as standard, sensor round type 5Q0 907 541 G. The sensor is broken. Do you know if I have to use round type sensor, or can I retrofit flat type? And can I also use round type with other part numbers?

Looking on RADAR Harness—>there is also wind shield camera connection, right ? Is mandatory to have camera ? ACC functionality is working also without camera ? Can I mount also RADAR in VW front logo ?

MRR radars has the SWaP/FEC license mechanism and it’s fairly impossible to retrofit it in an easy way. are a bit harder to retrofit.

Hoe do i get the mrr working?

Hi, maybe you have discord or something i would like to get more information about cabling what cables and where did you bought them

Are you guys sure that calibration isnt needed? Do you just install it and it works?

I Find that hard to believe its that easy.

Do you know if this can be performed on a JETTA 2019 SE ? (it came without ACC, but the wheel button’s are there already.. when I press the car gives a message “Function unavaible” or something like it)

Hello I have a Passat B8 highline with Front Assist but without ACC. Do you know if I will buy the buttons on the steering wheel, will the ACC work? Or I’ll need something else. Thanks

Great job! Just build in side assist in my A3 8V. This will be my new project. Did you cut your grill or replaced it? Thanks for your reply.

Will it need calibration? And if so, how can i do it on my own ?

Golf 7 before facelift

Thanks for the detailed info, verys useful specially for the LRR. I am looking to retrofit LRR to my Skoda Karoq MY19 just for automatic braking. Any advice on parts and cables needed along with coding?

It should go the same as described here for MRR, yet you will need to clone/activate FEC/SWaP licence.

Wasn’t the LRR easier, without FEC license or I misunderstood it with MRR ?

I have all the equipment necessary to get ACC up to 210 km/h.Though, right now it is set to 160 km/h. Is it possible to change this with VCDS? Golf 7 2013 with LRR and lane assist.

I am looking to retrofit this to a 2019 Audi A3, will any round radar be suitable (and only need component protection removing) or do I need to stick to the part numbers in your above post?

I’m trying to clear if i can retrofit my Golf TSi DSG with VIN: WVWZZZAUZFW189030 My ABS Pump partno is 3Q0907379F I’m not clear if this ABS pump supports ACC, Follow-to-Go, Emergency Break (City Break)

I have a Skoda Karoq , Recently i installed the Levers for acc into the steering wheel , and i had to code the front radar for ACC

A coder abroad , coded my car remotly with ODIS, He flashed the Front radar 13 did some adaptations. And ACC works just fine , tested and is perfect.

BUT i scanned the car and i saw Front Radar 13 Error 762560 – Component Protection U1114 00 [009] – GFA key

He said that the job is done he got nothing else to do

Can you share how much did you pay for the coding?

Hi Piotr, I’ve bought 5q0907541 L radar, and by ETKA P is a replacement for L radar, it was installed only on Audi A3 from the factory as P radar you’ve installed. Question: How you parametrized your radar? It was new or used? Because mine was new, and there is no parametrization inside, but I can’t upload the file via ODIS-e for L radar: it shows an error.

I had used radar with parametrisation already inside, maybe try via VCP?

I do not have a VCP unfortunately, original is too expensive for me, I’m not sure if with a Chinese clone I will be able to upload parametrization. Have you tried parametrization with a Chinese clone? I’m pretty sure that the error which ODIS are returning is ODIS-E validation – because the file is 100% correct and is extracted from online session

Hi, thanks for this tutorial. I am trying to login my radar 5q0907572g but unfortunately the component reject my code. if any one have Idea how do it?

what error you get?

Hi there Thank you very much for the detailed guidance. Can radar 5q0 907 541 L be used for retrofitting on Vw golf WVWZZZAUZGW090700, how with software, is it installed in the new radar and it is ready for coding with vcds? I am considering this: https://allegro.pl/oferta/vw-golf-7-radar-5q0907541l-nowy-acc-9915873274 Sincerely, Lars

It will work, but you’ll have to do parametrisation as it’s brand new – that requires Vag Can Pro or proper data set for ODIS. If you’ll go with preowned from Golf you’ll only need to remove Component Protection and coding.

Hi Piotr Thanks for reply. If the used radar 5Q0 907 541 H comes from an A3 / S3 can it be used after the component protection has been removed and coding has been performed as it came from a golf 7?

A5 camera has no component protection. It can be used, but parametrisation will be required

Dear mqb specialist

You are my last hope for help with my Volkswagen Polo problem. I bought this car a few months ago under the assumption that it would have adaptive cruise control. The polo is from the year 2019 highline version and has front assist incl. City-ANB without ACC as standard. I am not a specialist myself, but I strongly suspect that most components to add Adaptive cruise control afterwards are present. If I send you a list with the PR codes, it is then possible for you to see if it is possible to retrofit the adaptive cruise control. I have already had contact with the factory and the dealer here in the Netherlands, but they are not willing or unable to help me. Hopefully you can do something for me or help me get it right myself. I would like to hear from you in advance thanks for your help and effort.

Sincerely Ron

I’m having trouble rebuilding my ACC, my car was accident damaged but had ACC from factory.

I’m trying to put the bits back together and can’t find a wiring diagram for my front acc… where did you get yours from?

As the fec code is not available on your vin, the dealer cannot upload the fec to the radar.

Find a good website about fec upload /pacc and youll find your answers. long story short:

tools: odis e and s and pacc files.

Need radar in CP (possble with odis s, remove cp manually, as it is already removed… During process, remove odis dongle during process will trigger cp. flash with x firmware remove cp (jup again, but now finish the process) upload swap code (read pacc file carefuly) Code replace sw buttons for acc ones..

Hi good evening, I need to code Byte 24 for DSG and Lane Assist do you have the correct code by any chance? F8 is giving me errors as it is looking for ACC that I don’t have at the moment. My actual ABS byte 24 is 00 Best regards Daniele

Thanks for tutorial!

I have a VW EGOLF 2019 with Front Assist but without ACC and CCS. If I will buy the buttons on the steering wheel and make some coding, will the ACC work? Thanks

Bonjour, quel serait le codage pour une rs3 8v2 de 2018 avec front assit ? Merci par avance de votre retour. Cordialement.

Hi, is A5 camera required for pedestrian protection, or does a newer radar suffice? Thanks

03. ABS CODING: First you need to check what coding you have. You can have: 29bit or 30bit coding in ABS Switching from WHT003864 to WHT003864A – will give you an error WHT003864 – one directional WHT003864A – bi-directional You need to change byte:

03 – ABS (coding for 30 bit) you need to edit bit 25: – for manual gearbox you need set: 14 (or 16) – for manual gearbox and Lane Assist you need to set F4 – for DSG gearbox you need to set F8

03 – ABS (coding for 30 bit) you need to edit bit 27: 00: Standard Wheel Speed Sensor 50: Bi-directional Wheel Speed Sensor ( Multi-Link Suspension) F0: Bi-directional Wheel Speed Sensor ( Torsion Bar Rear Suspension ) Here you need to check what type or rear suspension you have and type correct coding 50 or F0

03 – ABS (coding for 29 bit) you need to edit bit 24: – for manual gearbox you need set: 14 (or 16) – for manual gearbox and Lane Assist you need to set F4 – for DSG gearbox you need to set F8

03 – ABS (coding for 29 bit) you need to edit bit 24: 00: Standard Wheel Speed Sensor 50: Bi-directional Wheel Speed Sensor ( Multi-Link Suspension) F0: Bi-directional Wheel Speed Sensor ( Torsion Bar Rear Suspension ) Here you need to check what type or rear suspension you have and type correct coding 50 or F0

SWAP/FEC I can help with SWaP codes and Transferring the unlock code for the SWaP function with ODIS Engineering. To generate SWaP codes you will need VCRN (Vehicle Component Registration Number). This code can be extracted from the measured values ​​of block 13 + VIN number. You will also need to share what FEC codes are active.

2Q0907572 / 3QF_5QF907572 / 3Q0907572 / 5Q0907572

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2022 Volkswagen Golf R

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• Lows Steep starting price, fussy capacitive touch controls, the even more practical wagon version won't be sold in the U.S.
• Verdict With snappy performance and an understated look, the Golf R is the hot hatch for mature driving enthusiasts.

What's New for 2022?

After being on hiatus since the 2019 model year, the Golf R returns for 2022. Its resurrection follows the release of the eighth-generation Golf GTI . With VW planning to stop selling the regular Golf hatchback and station wagons here, that leaves the GTI and the R as the only versions America will get. Thankfully, both are favorites of ours.

Pricing and Which One to Buy

The price of the 2022 Volkswagen Golf R starts at $45,185.

Since the Golf R is only offered as one fully loaded model, the only decision to make when buying one is whether you want to trade the standard six-speed manual for the optional seven-speed dual-clutch automatic. Choosing the latter increases its base price by just $800. However, we'd stick with the stick-shift. We'll leave the decision to get the Golf R painted Deep Black Pearl, Lapiz Blue metallic, or Pure White up to you.

Engine, Transmission, and Performance

Under the Golf R's hood is a turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four-cylinder that makes 315 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque (280 lb-ft with the manual)—up from 288 hp and 280 lb-ft in the last generation R. The engine pairs with either a six-speed manual or a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission. The standard 4Motion all-wheel-drive system features a rear differential that can actively distribute torque between the left and right rear wheels for improved handling. The Golf R's selectable drive modes (Comfort, Sport, Race, Special, Drift, and Individual) can be activated by pressing an "R" button on the steering wheel. We've sampled the hatch's Drift mode , which proved entertaining on slick surfaces, but it won't replace a rear-drive muscle car's fun-factor. Every model comes with a sport exhaust system, variable-ratio steering, and larger front disc brakes than before. It also rides on a set of 19-inch wheels shod with summer performance tires. During our first drive in Germany , the Golf R showed off the quickness and relentlessness of its strong engine, reactive dual-clutch automatic, and intelligent all-wheel-drive system. The version we drove was also equipped with the optional Performance package that adds two more drive modes, including an entertaining Drift mode that allows some tail-sliding antics. At our test track, our Golf R test car with the seven-speed automatic transmission blasted to 60 mph in just 4.1 seconds, beating the 2021 Honda Civic Type R by 0.7 seconds.

Fuel Economy and Real-World MPG

The EPA has estimated the most efficient version of the Golf R is the one with the automatic transmission, which earned ratings of 23 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. Going with the manual transmission drops those numbers to 20 mpg city and 28 mpg highway, a worthy tradeoff in our opinion for the more engaging six-speed stick. In our 75-mph highway fuel-economy testing, part of our extensive testing regimen , the automatic Golf R averaged an impressive 34 mpg, while we got 30 mpg with a manual test car. For more information about the Golf R's fuel economy, visit the EPA's website .

Interior, Comfort, and Cargo

The Golf R mimics the GTI's new cabin design, which provides a sportier aesthetic than the last-generation Golf. Both have a thick-rimmed steering wheel with touch-sensitive controls that operate a 10.2-inch digital gauge cluster with configurable layouts. Unlike the GTI, the Golf R isn't available with plaid seat inserts, but it does boast bolstered front seats wrapped in nappa leather. These exclusive buckets have blue and carbon-look accents in the side sections as well as a blue "R" logo in the backrest. The other interior features include ambient lighting with 30 colors, stainless-steel pedals, and more carbon-look trim on the dashboard. The new Golf R also has impressive cargo space and a comfortable back seat.

Infotainment and Connectivity

As seen on the new GTI, the Golf R's infotainment system will run through a 10.0-inch touchscreen situated in the center of the dashboard. Its secondary controls include touch-sensitive sliders versus physical knobs and buttons. Along with the obligatory charging ports, the system should be available with a Harman/Kardon premium stereo. We also expect popular content such as Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, and a Wi-Fi hotspot.

Safety and Driver-Assistance Features

The new Golf R offers more driver-assistance technology than its predecessor, including blind-spot monitoring, adaptive cruise control, and lane-keeping assist. For more information about the Golf R's crash-test results, visit the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ( NHTSA ) and Insurance Institute for Highway Safety ( IIHS ) websites. Key safety features include:

• Standard forward-collision warning and automated emergency braking
• Standard lane-departure warning and lane-keeping assist
• Standard adaptive cruise control with semi-autonomous driving mode

Warranty and Maintenance Coverage

Although VW's powertrain warranty isn't tops among classmates, both its limited warranty and complimentary scheduled maintenance are among the best.

• Limited warranty covers four years or 50,000 miles
• Powertrain warranty covers four years or 50,000 miles
• Complimentary maintenance is covered for two years or 20,000 miles

Specifications

2022 Volkswagen Golf R (7-speed DCT) Vehicle Type: front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door hatchback

PRICE Base/As Tested: $45,185/$45,985 Options: seven-speed dual-clutch automatic, $800

ENGINE turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, iron block and aluminum head, direct fuel injection Displacement: 121 in 3 , 1984 cm 3 Power: 315 hp @ 5900 rpm Torque: 295 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm

TRANSMISSION 7-speed dual-clutch automatic

CHASSIS Suspension, F/R: struts/multilink Brakes, F/R: 14.1-in vented, cross-drilled disc/12.1-in vented disc Tires: Hankook Ventus S1 Evo3 235/35R-19 91Y +

DIMENSIONS Wheelbase: 103.5 in Length: 168.9 in Width: 70.4 in Height: 57.7 in Passenger Volume: 92 ft 3 Cargo Volume: 20 ft 3 Curb Weight: 3465 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS 60 mph: 4.1 sec 100 mph: 10.3 sec 1/4-Mile: 12.6 sec @ 110 mph 130 mph: 19.1 sec Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec. Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 5.1 sec Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.7 sec Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 3.6 sec Top Speed ( C/D est): 155 mph Braking, 70–0 mph: 153 ft Braking, 100–0 mph: 303 ft Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.98 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY Observed: 17 mpg 75-mph Highway Driving: 34 mpg 75-mph Highway Range: 490 mi

EPA FUEL ECONOMY Combined/City/Highway: 26/23/30 mpg

2022 Volkswagen Golf R (6-speed manual) Vehicle Type: front-engine, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door hatchback

PRICE Base/As Tested: $45,185/$45,185 Options: None

ENGINE turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, iron block and aluminum head, direct fuel injection Displacement: 121 in 3 , 1984 cm 3 Power: 315 hp @ 6500 rpm Torque: 280 lb-ft @ 1900 rpm 

TRANSMISSION 6-speed manual

CHASSIS Suspension, F/R: struts/multilink Brakes, F/R: 14.1-in vented, cross-drilled disc/12.2-in vented disc Tires: Hankook Ventus S1 Evo3 235/35R-19 91Y +

DIMENSIONS Wheelbase: 103.5 in Length: 168.9 in Width: 70.4 in Height: 57.7 in Passenger Volume, F/R: 51/41 ft 3 Cargo Volume, Behind F/R: 35/20 ft 3 Curb Weight: 3380 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS 60 mph: 4.9 sec 100 mph: 11.4 sec 1/4-Mile: 13.4 sec @ 106 mph 130 mph: 20.4 sec Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec. Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 6.0 sec Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 8.7 sec Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 5.8 sec Top Speed (mfr's claim): 155 mph Braking, 70–0 mph: 161 ft Braking, 100–0 mph: 317 ft Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.95 g 

C/D FUEL ECONOMY Observed: 16 mpg 75-mph Highway Driving: 30 mpg 75-mph Highway Range: 430 mi

EPA FUEL ECONOMY Combined/City/Highway: 23/20/28 mpg 

C/D TESTING EXPLAINED

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• Regent Seven Seas Cruises

Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

• 4 months later...

scubacruiserx2

Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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