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JJ Abrams Star Trek Movies in Order: A Journey through the Final Frontier

When it comes to science fiction movies, few franchises have captured the imagination of audiences quite like Star Trek. With its rich lore, captivating characters, and thought-provoking themes, Star Trek has become a cultural phenomenon that has spanned over five decades. And in 2009, director JJ Abrams took the helm to breathe new life into the beloved series with his rebooted Star Trek movies. In this article, we will take a journey through the final frontier and explore JJ Abrams’ Star Trek movies in order .

1. Star Trek (2009): The first installment of JJ Abrams’ Star Trek trilogy takes us back to the origins of the iconic crew of the USS Enterprise. This film serves as a reboot of the original series and introduces audiences to a younger version of Captain James T. Kirk (played by Chris Pine) and his loyal crew. With stunning visuals, thrilling action sequences, and a fresh take on familiar characters, Star Trek (2009) successfully reignited the franchise’s popularity.

2. Star Trek Into Darkness (2013): The second film in JJ Abrams’ trilogy delves deeper into the relationships between the crew members while introducing a formidable new villain, Khan Noonien Singh (played by Benedict Cumberbatch). As Captain Kirk faces personal and professional challenges, he must navigate a web of deception and make difficult choices that will test his leadership skills. Star Trek Into Darkness is an action-packed installment that keeps viewers on the edge of their seats.

3. Star Trek Beyond (2016): In the final chapter of JJ Abrams’ Star Trek trilogy, director Justin Lin takes over the reins to deliver an exhilarating space adventure. The crew finds themselves stranded on an uncharted planet after their ship is attacked by a ruthless alien warlord named Krall (played by Idris Elba). As they fight for survival and reunite with new allies, the crew must discover the true nature of Krall’s intentions and find a way to save the Federation. Star Trek Beyond is a fitting conclusion to Abrams’ trilogy, offering a perfect blend of action, humor, and heart.

While JJ Abrams’ Star Trek movies have faced some criticism from die-hard fans for deviating from the original series’ tone and style, they undeniably brought new life to the franchise and introduced it to a whole new generation of viewers. With their stellar cast, breathtaking visuals, and thrilling storytelling, these films successfully captured the essence of what makes Star Trek so beloved.

In addition to Abrams’ trilogy, he also served as a producer on subsequent Star Trek projects like Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard, further expanding the universe he helped revive. Whether you’re a longtime fan or new to the series, JJ Abrams’ Star Trek movies are an exciting journey through space that should not be missed. So grab some popcorn, set your phasers to stun, and prepare for an adventure that will take you where no one has gone before.

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Trivia Simon Pegg did not audition for the role - he simply received an email from J.J. Abrams asking if he would like to play Scotty. Pegg said he would have done this for free, or even paid Abrams to be in this film, if he had not been offered a role.
Goofs After Spock boards the Vulcan ship on board the mining vessel, Kirk is seen walking through some pipes. His Starfleet phaser has switched to a Romulan gun (longer barrel and no lights), before switching back to the Starfleet one again in the next scene. He actually acquires the Romulan gun a few scenes later.

Spock Prime : James T. Kirk!

James T. Kirk : Excuse me?

Spock Prime : How did you find me?

James T. Kirk : Whoa... how do you know my name?

Spock Prime : I have been and always shall be your friend.

James T. Kirk : Wha...

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James T. Kirk : Uh... look... I-I don't know you.

Spock Prime : I am Spock.

James T. Kirk : Bullshit.

Crazy credits The first part of the closing credits is styled after the opening credits of Star Trek (1966) , where the starship Enterprise blasts off into space as a monologue describes its mission, and then the cast names appear as the famous "Star Trek" theme music plays.
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In defense of the J.J. Abrams Star Trek movies

J.J. Abrams' Star Trek movies dared to go boldly go where 'some men' had gone before.

For a fanbase as passionate as the one Star Trek has collected over the years, change is often met with collective suspicion rather than communal excitement.

Star Trek is sacred, and those who cut their teeth on the William Shatner -starring original series or the much loved Next Generation are fiercely protective of their darling franchise. Anyone brave enough to reimagine the series for new audiences has a cosmically high bar to leap, with many believing the task to be a no-win scenario (a ' kobayashi maru ', perhaps?).

In the age of remakes, remasters and reimaginings, Star Trek has seen numerous iterations of its winning formula, some garnering success and others catastrophic failure. Losses be damned, though, as when it does succeed, the seasoned sci-fi franchise does so in spectacular fashion.

While shows like Discovery and Lower Decks take us to a new branch of Starfleet or a new story in the Star Trek universe, the 2009 self-titled film tackles the Kirk and Spock story head on, and it's bravery is rewarded. The 2009 film is a masterclass in contemporary science fiction, and by building Kirk and Spock respectively and setting them for a collision course in the film's opening act, it reminds us of the pair's polarizing differences, as well as their critical similarities.

It’s a new Star Trek for a new audience, and in forging something fitting for the current climate of films and media it’s crucial that the seasoned franchise makes small, yet significant differences to ensure that new releases don’t feel like a relic from the past.

In Defense of the J.J. Abrams Star Trek Movies: image shows Captain Kirk (Chris Pine) in Star Trek Beyond (2016)

Leap Before You Look

The success of the Star Trek license has been a result of a winning formula; one that’s sure to capture the hearts of many, and - critically - is future-proofed to continue to appeal to new fans. J.J. Abrams and Bad Robot Productions didn’t do away with what made the original series special (unlike some sci-fi properties), instead they reflected on the past and evolved them significantly. Thus, the Kelvin timeline was born.

Old friends and new alliances prop up the plot of the first in the trilogy, and the familiar face of series icon Leonard Nimoy is simply a wonderful wrinkle that pays dividends. The passing of the torch from Nimoy to Quinto was simply excellent, and though the role was somewhat short-lived for the Heroes actor, it was more than prosperous as his performance as the stoic, yet compassionate Spock impressed critics and fans alike. In fact, it's hard to pluck a bad or out of place performance from the entire trilogy, as the glut of talented actors presented offer some of their best to date.

It has to be said, however, that though the performances remain top notch, it's evident that some of the magic is lost as the trilogy develops. Into Darkness reintroduces us to an iconic villain but lacks the emotional weight of the first and while Beyond provides more of the USS Enterprise crew that we’ve come to love, it does have an air of the 'soulless Summer blockbuster' feel to it. What makes the trilogy more than a one hit wonder is Abrams and co’s ability to develop authentic, grounded and human character quirks for a whole host of personalities that are often anything but.

In Defense of the J.J Abrams Star Trek Movies: image shows Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness (2013)

Star Trek Into Darkness was largely a victim of a poor release window. Set out into a world cluttered by cookie-cutter offerings in the MCU like Ironman 3 and lackluster Shyamalan sci-fi attempts like After Earth, the consensus was that it didn’t offer much that the scores of other summer blockbusters didn’t. It’s a great film, and a continuation of a story that thoroughly deserved another chapter in the tale. The chemistry of the Enterprise crew is as good as it’s ever been and the injection of a menacing villain was a much needed correction to the only significant flaw of the first film.

Beyond was helmed by Justin Lin of Fast and Furious fame, and while he brought his own flavour to the franchise (and far fewer lense flares), it saw our heroes depart on a fun --albeit linear-- adventure that served as a platform for the already-developed characters to flourish. No origin story was necessary to maintain the viewers’ attention, as the chemistry that three films across seven years had forged between the actors and their respective roles.

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Furthermore, the somewhat vague reports of Quentin Tarantino circling the Star Trek IP is enticing to anyone familiar with his previous work, and though many believe the recent trilogy to be concluded, there's always a possibility of a continuation, and the Pulp Fiction director's supposed interest is enough to garner more than a little excitement. Will it happen? Who knows, but it's enough to make keen cinephiles (Star Trek fan or not) curious.

The trilogy is flawed, yes, but with the franchise providing less-than-stellar action sequences and over the top acting in decades past, it's clear to viewers that Star Trek wears its flaws on its sleeve. In truth, most of said viewers would find such blemishes charming rather than distracting, and a reminder that the franchise has always blazed new trails rather than retreading old ones.

Like James T. Kirk and his father before him, Star Trek is a franchise that always leaps before it looks, which has resulted in a few harsh lessons and more than a few home runs. A quick glance at our Star Trek movies, ranked worst to best article will show that when J.J was firing on all cylinders, his Trek movies were up there with the best of them.

To Boldly Go...

In Defense of the J.J. Abrams Star Trek Movies: image shows kirk and spock

Nostalgia is a frightfully difficult impulse to overcome. When we find something we love in fiction, the characters, its stories and the adventures that they take us on are forever etched into our minds, only maturing with age to the point where the rose-tinted spectacles are in full effect.

To many, Star Trek was the first series that took our impressionable minds to the moon and back, providing hours of escapism amongst the stars and allowing us a glimpse at what the future could be like.

As the swinging 60's stretch further into the rear view mirror and Star Trek's humble beginnings feel even more humble in comparison to modern CGI, the JJ Abrams-produced trilogy is proof that, in the face of immense adversity, the franchise still has more to give.

Abrams' take on the seasoned sci-fi franchise provides bright-eyed viewers of today the opportunity to feel the same way our parents and grandparents felt the first time their screen was graced by the frightful Gorn or the sinister Khan. It's made Star Trek fans of the sons and daughters of those faithful Trekkies from decades past, which is all the evidence you need to believe that J.J. Abrams created something truly special.

If you're looking to revisit the latest Star Trek trilogy, check out our Star Trek streaming guide to find out where you can watch the movies online. And if you're wondering where the Kelvin movies fit into the rest of the Trek timeline, well it's complicated, but our Star Trek movies in chronological order guide explains it all.

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Star Trek is ready to boldly go where they've gone three times before.

On Tuesday, J.J. Abrams announced plans for a fourth Star Trek film at the Paramount Investors Day presentation. The film will be directed by Matt Shakman ( WandaVision ) with Abrams producing, and the aim is to bring back many of Abrams' original stars from his 2009 reboot of the long-running franchise.

"We are thrilled to say that we are hard at work on a new Star Trek film that will be shooting by the end of the year that will be featuring our original cast and some new characters that I think are going to be really fun and exciting and help take Star Trek into areas that you've just never seen before," Abrams said. "We're thrilled about this film, we have a bunch of other stories that we're talking about that we think will be really exciting, so can't wait for you to see what we're cooking up. But until then, live long and prosper."

However, EW has learned that the studio has yet to enter negotiations with that original cast at this juncture. The cast features a litany of high profile names, including Chris Pine as Captain Kirk, Zachary Quinto as Spock, Zoe Saldana as Uhura, John Cho as Sulu, Karl Urban as Bones, and Simon Pegg as Scotty. Anton Yelchin , who featured as Chekhov in Abrams' previous three entries , died in 2016 before the previous film in the franchise, Star Trek Beyond , hit theaters.

The new film will feature a screenplay by Josh Friedman ( Avatar 2 ) and Cameron Squires ( WandaVision ) based on a earlier draft by Lindsey Beer ( Sierra Burgess Is a Loser ) and Geneva Robertson-Dworet ( Captain Marvel ).

With his 2009 film, Abrams reset the Star Trek timeline, originally established in Gene Roddenberry's 1960s groundbreaking sci-fi television series. He followed it up with 2013's Star Trek Into Darkness, but the last time the characters' were seen on the big screen was in 2016's Star Trek Beyond, which Abrams produced with Justin Lin directing.

Plans to bring them back — including a 2018 announced sequel set to team Pine with Kirk's late father as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth in the 2009 film — have stuttered along the way. For a time, Quentin Tarantino was even circling a project .

Of late, Star Trek fans have turned back to television for new content on series Picard and Star Trek Discovery.

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JJ Abrams: 'I never got Star Trek'

I was trying to avoid using the G-word, but JJ Abrams brings it up himself, unprompted. We're talking about his childhood and I begin a question with a slightly meandering: "So were you a ..."

"Geek?" he interjects, pre-empting a question he's clearly heard many times. Well, now you mention it, were you? "I don't think it's much of a question," he laughs.

He's right - it doesn't really need asking. Firstly, in an age when the most popular movies and TV series are based on comic books, sci-fi, fantasy and the supernatural, we are all basically geeks now. And secondly, his appearance is all the answer I need: a slight, young-looking, 42-year-old with thick, black-rimmed glasses, wavy vertical quiff and a blue-grey smock shirt that could be part of a uniform on, say, an intergalactic space vessel. And he's just directed the new Star Trek movie.

Actually, Abrams is personable, attentive, self-effacing and in no way socially maladjusted - but he is also ruler of an ever-expanding universe of geek-friendly viewing, in particular Lost, the cryptic TV series about marooned jet-crash survivors (complete with polar bear and smoke monster) that has viewers eating out of its hand, even as they scratch their heads in confusion. Add in TV shows like Alias and Fringe, and movies like Cloverfield and Mission: Impossible III and he's one of the most powerful forces in the industry. Now, with the addition of Star Trek's legions of devotees, he's a veritable emperor of uber-geekdom.

One thing Abrams has never been, though, is a Trekker. Or a Trekkie. Or even a Trekkist. "Star Trek," he says, referring to the original TV series, "always felt like a silly, campy thing. I remember appreciating it, but feeling like I didn't get it. I felt it didn't give me a way in. There was a captain, there was this first officer, they were talking a lot about adventures and not having them as much as I would've liked. Maybe I wasn't smart enough, maybe I wasn't old enough. But The Twilight Zone I was obsessed with. Loved it."

Any new addition to the Star Trek universe must manoeuvre through a dense asteroid belt of existing Trek lore that has accumulated after 79 episodes of the original series, its TV successors (The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Enterprise), 10 movies and innumerable other spin-offs. But Abrams's ignorance was, he says, an asset: "I had no idea there had been 10 movies! I still haven't seen them all. I didn't want to become a student of Star Trek. I felt that was actually one of the few advantages I had. I was trying to make a movie, not trying to make a Trek movie."

Sure enough, Abrams's Star Trek zips along, fuelled by state-of-the-art special effects, agreeable young actors and a generous measure of comedy. By focusing on Spock and Kirk as novices finding their footing, and putting their gut-vs-logic dynamic at the heart of the film, Abrams gives non-followers plenty to hang on to, but also pays homage to familiar Trek tropes: Bones says: "I'm a doctor, not a physicist!"; Scotty says: "I'm giving her all she's got!"; and Leonard Nimoy, the original Spock, makes a cameo to symbolically pass on the torch.

For advanced-level Trekkers, there are in-jokes and seismic events hardly anyone else will notice. This is the first time, for example, we see how Kirk cheats Starfleet's notorious Kobayashi Maru test, as mentioned in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - an event, indeed a sentence, that will mean absolutely nothing to the rest of us. And only the faithful will notice how Abrams pulls off a cheat of his own with this movie: the time-travel plot neatly sidesteps all that hazardous Trek lore - and sets up a fresh, blank future in a parallel reality (if you don't understand how, ask a Trekker). If there is a sequel, and it's difficult to imagine there won't be, he's free to boldly go wherever the hell he likes.

As usual, everything seems to be going Abrams's way. It's difficult to shake the impression that he mapped out his entire career in advance and it's all coming good. If you were to make a biopic of his life, it would be too corny to believe. At a time when most children were being entranced by the magic of moving images, young JJ was already peering behind the curtain, Wizard of Oz-style, figuring out how they worked. He would take apart electrical appliances with his grandfather and learn how they ticked. He learned magic tricks. His father, Gerald W Abrams, is a successful TV producer, so he was no stranger to sets and studios, even if Dad discouraged him from going into the industry. "He thought he'd be paying my bills for the rest of my life," he laughs.

Abrams, who lives in LA with his wife and three children, first picked up a movie camera aged eight."Making movies was more a reaction to not being chosen for sports. Other kids were out there playing at whatever; I was off making something blow up and filming it, or making a mould of my sister's head using alginating plaster. So the answer is: Yes, I was and am a geek."

Abrams was also an obsessive fan. He wrote to his heroes - not just directors but top makeup artists and special-effects legends, industry giants of the pre-computer age such as Douglas Trumbull, John Dykstra or Dick Smith. And he got replies. "Dick Smith sent me a little cardboard box with a tongue inside. It was one of the fake tongue extensions from The Exorcist, with a note saying, 'Just stick a dab of peanut butter on the end and put it on.' I was like, 'Holy shit!'" After seeing Jaws, he sent a little finger-puppet contraption to Steven Spielberg, but he didn't reply. "Not until recently."

By college, Abrams had sold his first screenplay, Taking Care of Business, which starred James Belushi. By his early 30s, he'd written a blockbuster, Armageddon, and was starting to produce TV programmes. One thing led to another, including Alias, a spy series starring Jennifer Garner. Tom Cruise liked Alias and asked Abrams to direct Mission: Impossible III. Paramount liked that and offered him Star Trek.

Like Spielberg, Abrams has been immersed in film-making for so long, he seems to have mastered every aspect of it. He appears to have an innate feel for entertainment that is cult yet mass-market, accessible but not dumb, polished and high-tech yet character-driven, zeitgeisty but infused with good old-fashioned storytelling. Abrams hasn't revolutionised film-making, though he may be perfecting it. What he has revolutionised, though, is the art of 21st-century entertainment. The movies and TV shows are just one feature in a landscape of viral marketing campaigns, merchandising tie-ins, spoiler alerts, online chat forums, fan blogs, websites that treat fictional worlds as real places, and so on. "People want to find magic," he says. "It's almost like a Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe thing. You want to find that secret. You want there to be some kind of portal between reality and fiction."

Lost is the perfect illustration. From the basic starting point of plane-crash survivors on a desert island, its plot has thickened and thickened to the point where it is now an inhabitable universe. Fans are happy to spend hours not just scrutinising the show's every shot, but collectively pondering its mysteries online, quizzing its makers, solving puzzles to gain access to "restricted" areas of the (fake) Hanso corporation website, speculating on Hindu symbolism, nanobot clouds, time travel or whatever, and generally positing theories as to what the hell is going on. It might be the biggest geek-magnet around, but Lost is also as risky and radical a TV programme as there's ever been: one that provides no answers week after week, has no qualms about killing off major characters, takes huge liberties with narrative convention, and deals with spiritual and even political questions of our age, including fame, leadership and even the Iraq war. It's as much a religion as a TV series - a bit like Star Trek.

But, while "Losties" have faith that the show's creators have it all figured out, Abrams says that's never been the case: "It's a leap of faith doing any serialised storytelling. We had an idea early on, but certain things we thought would work well didn't. We couldn't have told you which characters would be in which seasons. We couldn't tell you who would even survive." That instinctive, improvised, unpredictable element, he says, makes for great entertainment: "You feel that electricity. It's almost like live TV. We don't quite know what might happen. I'm sure when Charles Dickens was writing, he had a sense of where he was going - but he would make adjustments as he went along. You jump into it, knowing there's something great out there to find."

More of a Kirk approach than a Spock approach, you might say, more heart than head. In fact, Captain Kirk could well be Abrams's alter ego. They're both child prodigies following in the footsteps of their fathers; they're both partial to taking a chance; and they both find themselves at the controls of a gigantic and gigantically expensive machine, at an inordinately young age.

And right now all Abrams wants to do is sit at the bridge and shout: "Give her all she's got!."

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It has been six years since “Star Trek” fans have seen the USS Enterprise on the big screen, but they will soon get to see it again as producer JJ Abrams announced at ViacomCBS’ investor presentation that his studio Bad Robot is getting set to shoot the fourth installment in the “Trek” reboot film series. Matt Shakman, the veteran TV director whose credits include “Game of Thrones” and the hit Marvel series “WandaVision,” will direct the upcoming film with the entire reboot cast in talks to return, including Chris Pine as Captain James T. Kirk and Zachary Quinto as Commander Spock as well as Karl Urban, Zoe Saldana, John Cho and Simon Pegg.

“We are thrilled to say that we are hard at work on a new ‘Star Trek’ film that will be shooting by the end of the year that will be featuring our original cast and some new characters that I think are going to be really fun and exciting and help take ‘Star Trek’ into areas that you’ve just never seen before,” Abrams said. “We’re thrilled about this film, we have a bunch of other stories that we’re talking about that we think will be really exciting so can’t wait for you to see what we’re cooking up. But until then, live long and prosper.” The “Star Trek” reboot series — known as the Kelvin Timeline in “Trek” lore — began in 2009 with an origin film directed by Abrams that told the story of how Kirk became the captain of the Enterprise, followed by the sequels “Into Darkness” in 2013 and “Beyond” in 2016. The fourth installment will be the first since the passing of Anton Yelchin, who played Chekov in the series.

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J.J. Abrams Talks “Compelling” Story For ‘Star Trek 4’; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait

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The saga of J.J. Abrams’ attempt to follow up Star Trek Beyond with another feature film at Paramount Pictures continues with the first comments from the producer himself since his high-profile announcement a year ago the project was moving forward.

Abrams still looking for a director

The update on the Star Trek movie comes from an Esquire Magazine profile primarily about Chris Pine, star of Paramount’s upcoming movie Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves . In between comments from Pine, interview Alex Pappademas dropped this clue from the Star Trek producer:

Pine and crew’s return to the screen was announced in February 2022; when I speak to producer J. J. Abrams by phone, the search for a director is ongoing. Abrams is elliptical about the film, even by J. J. Abrams standards. “I will say it’s the first time [since the original reboot] that we have a story that feels as compelling as the first one.”

Director Matt Shakman stepped away from the Star Trek project last August, recently citing issues with getting the Kelvin crew actors’ schedules aligned along with the opportunity to work on a Fantastic Four movie for Marvel, but the director said the project was still active at Paramount.

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Pine is frustrated

As for Captain Kirk, Chris Pine tells Esquire he is in the dark:

“I don’t know anything,” he says. Which is apparently pretty standard: “In Star Trek land, the actors are usually the last people to find out anything. I know costume designers that have read scripts before the actors.” Is it weird, I ask, to be the captain and know so little about what you’re signing on to? “I would say it’s frustrating,” Pine says. “It doesn’t really foster the greatest sense of partnership, but it’s how it’s always been. I love the character. I love the people. I love the franchise. But to try to change the system in which things are created—I just can’t do it. I don’t have the energy.”

One of the reasons it has been so hard for Paramount to follow up Beyond is due to the 2016 film not meeting studio expectations; it brought in $344 million, significantly less than the $467 million delivered by Star Trek Into Darkness in 2013. Pine addressed his concerns over the studio’s goal of trying to match mega-hits from other franchises:

“I’m not sure Star Trek was ever built to do that kind of business,” Pine says. “I always thought, Why aren’t we just appealing to this really rabid fan group and making the movie for a good price and going on our merry way, instead of trying to compete with the Marvels of the world?” He’d like to span more years as Kirk but wouldn’t be surprised if Beyond was the end of it. “After the last one came out and didn’t do the $1 billion that everybody wanted it to do, and then Anton”—Yelchin, who played Chekov—“passed away, I don’t know, it just seemed . . .” He pauses, looks out the window at the view Star Trek bought.

Chris Pine as Kirk with Anton Yelchin as Chekov and John Cho as Sulu in Star Trek Beyond

Matt Shakman, who helmed the Star Trek 4 project for over a year, recently said Paramount’s goal was to make another “large tentpole film,” noting it is expensive to make a sci-fi film, especially with the returning cast that includes stars like Chris Pine and Zoe Saldana.

For now, fans will continue to wait as we will soon pass the seven-year mark since Trek’s last time on the big screen, with no solid idea when it will be back.

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‘a story that feels as compelling as the first one’

Maybe he means its involving time travel/alt reality, and legacy characters?

Bring back a baddie like Chris Plummer’s Kang, have a weapon that does “Rockem-Sockem Starships”, and have Kirk’s half-human/half-cat son up as a young terrorist with a heart of gold!

I just don’t understand why you’re not working in Hollywood as a writer or showrunner. You got skills.

You just answered your own question with that second sentence.

“Bring back a baddie like Chris Plummer’s Kang”

Kang was Michael Ansara.

Time travel, Alternate Universe, Trans Warp.. They slowly become a nice sweet poison. You know it kills you, but you can not Stop to like it

What i mean:

Time travel: With Section 31 and other Time travels so far in Star Trek (also the Movies), at some Space and Time you want to ask yourself what was first? The Chicken or the Egg?

Alternate Universe: Surprisingly it’s always the Terran Empire. What if the Vulcans did not separated and are the bad guys? Because it is Logical to eliminate the “cancer” of all Unworthy Lifeforms?

trans Warp: Wrath of Khan in the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise say it all. Why this Tool is to Omnipotent. Nearly the Same as the Spore Drive of Discovery

I find that worrying. He thought what Tarantino wanted to do was a good idea. He liked the Daddy Kirk transporter story. JJ is also the person who thought turning Luke Skywalker into a worthless maguffin was compelling.

I thought JJ had nothing to do with LAST JEDI, that he just trashed the odd-numbered ones? Not making excuses for him, I hate nearly all of the guy’s work — TFA is somewhat rewatchable — and think he managed to disimprove on Berman era, which is really saying something pretty nasty in my book.

JJ had nothing to do with Luke’s story in The Last Jedi. I know for a fact JJ didn’t understand why Rian Johnson made the character choices that he made… for any of the characters.

I feel for Pine- such a great actor, and really an enthusiastic creative person- and Bad Robot has strung them along with a series of false starts. I’m really skeptical of J.J. Abrams’ tenure at this point. He’s failed to get a feature off the ground for a few years now. And with Kurtzman’s shows gaining so much momentum, I wonder if the film division is looking at this 4th Kelvinverse movie as a fading prospect. Eventually, the studio is going to move on, and probably not too long from now.

Shakman the Betrayer

Why? Because he took another job when this one was stuck in development hell. I think the real issue is they can’t afford to pay the actors and keep the budget on par with the previous film.

The jokes on him — Fantastic Four…lol

They can keep the budget in line with previous films, but Beyond’s $185m is why it wasn’t profitable, it needs to be lower. But the actors are part of the reason they can’t keep the budget reasonable.

No, Paramount’s loss of two marketing executives during the period leading up to BEYOND is why the film failed. Internally this is the explanation that Paramount reached almost immmediately.

That makes sense!

Even Trekkies weren’t very excited about Beyond though. It felt like Insurrection did, a big budget episode. And I liked it. It’s the only JJ verse movie I like actually but it just had no real hook.

And another supervillain trying to take down the Federation is probably another reason no one really cared They can’t seem to come up with something new and fresh.

It’s def true that the letdown from STID probably played a role in Beyond’s disappointment. But do you really think that doing something fresh and new, a decade later, is going to lead to a $750m box office? No matter how good it looks, I think any new Trek film will struggle to reach that kind of blockbuster status.

The problem is like Pine says: they need to set their sights lower, and produce something on a more modest budget and just have fun with it. But I doubt he’d take a pay cut to do it.

We agree fully brother! 👍

I’m still shocked they are still trying (and trying and trying and trying) to even make another JJ verse movie at all. I think it’s going to make what Beyond did or even worse.

But they can still make a good movie at least. I don’t care about about JJ verse at all, especially now that Star Trek is back where it really belongs, on TV. But if it’s good I’ll definitely go see it.

But I agree I don’t think anyone really cares that much anymore. Hardcore fans will go see it of course but everyone else will just probably catch it on Paramount+ in a month, especially if it’s the same ole same ole like the last three.

As for Pine, this guy keeps saying they should make smaller movies but wasn’t he the same guy who walked when they tried to make his paycheck smaller too? 🤣

Yeah if you want to make smaller movies then you have to start where the budget inflates the most, usually starting with actor salaries. That’s also easier to control.

But Pine is just talk. Trust me, if they ever decide to call the guy again, his asking price will be the same as before and why there won’t be another movie.

Transformers films have flopped or did not make the money Paramount wanted before, they didn’t stop making Transformers movies. Same with MI 3 was a near bomb, they continue to make those. Its just Star Trek the studio doesn’t believe in. They are far more likely to greenlight more Bayturtles films than to make a Star Trek film.

Bro not a single aTF has flopped or lost money, no idea where you’re getting this? What movies are you talking about??

Bumblebee has made the least amount of money, but it was also the cheapest movie too at $130 million. And keep this in mind, it still made $150 million more than Beyond did with a much lower budget;😂

It basically made what STID made and much cheaper than that as well. How these JJ verse movies keeps getting made for the ridiculous money but no real profit to show, I will never understand it?

Ok I went and looked. Transformers: The Last Knight can be argued it bombed because it cost $250 million but it still made $600 million. So I don’t think that’s a bomb but it didn’t reach expectations either like Tiger2 explained in another thread. They probably assumed it would do a billion like the one before it and it didn’t.

But we know it wasn’t a real bomb because unlike Star Trek they made too more movies since, Bumblebee and the new one this summer. And they didn’t cancel 5 movies before they finally made Bumblebee like how bad the Trek movies have turned into a joke.

And I’m glad they finally moved on from Bay.

MI3 didn’t bomb though, it just didn’t reach expectations. And it made more than 2 out of the 3 Kelvin movies and much cheaper than 2 out of the 3 movies as well.

That’s why we got four more of those movies and Trek remains DOA

Those two marketing executives, what were their names and how exactly did their exit lead to the failure? Were they fired? Did they quit? Genuinely asking, i’ve not heard of this before.

But if Paramount is well aware that these two execs are the key to a successful Trek film, have they rehired them?

Wouldn’t that affect Paramount’s non-Star Trek products in a comparable way, though?

If they can cut $80 million like they should have from Beyond then they will probably get a greenlight.

They know the next movie could bomb again.

And the real irony is like that old saying, necessity being the mother of invention. I’d bet that if they slashed the budget, and writers were forced to be creative, they’d wind up with a better movie.

Isn’t that literally what happened with TWOK? 😉

After putting everyone to sleep with the mind blowing budget of TMP (I’ve seen it once 20 years ago, promise myself never to watch it again) they came back and did it better with TWOK with a third of the budget.

It doesn’t have to be that low but half makes sense or around $100 million. No one is going to give these fools over $150 million anyway. Not anymore! 😉

But TWOK would have cost way much more if it would have been the first movie, that means if it had been made instead of TMP.

LOL at people who feel fandom requires them to defend every thing and every one involved in Star Trek.

So annoying I agree. Almost as bad as the ones who are required to trash every thing and every one involved with current Star Trek.

Is that me? I didn’t realize finding it absurd to call a director for hire a “betrayer” because he walked from a project defending everything and everyone involved in Star Trek.

Huh. They had no cast signed on, no approved finished shooting script and no greenlight. Just a bunch of pr to try and get investors. Worse than JJ’s mystery box smoke and mirrors.

As compelling as the first one? I’d really hope he means considerably more compelling. Yea, that film sufficed because it had novelty value, but they need to do much better this time. And for my money the best one was Beyond anyway.

Beyond was the best, indeed!

Beyond was the ONLY compelling one. It was great. The 2009 film was fun, but generic, and Into Darkness was a pale ripoff of Wrath of Khan.

Agreed on Beyond; I have found things to appreciate about all of them, but Beyond is the only one I was truly enthusiastic for.

Oh, don’t get me wrong–I like all three. But the 2009 film was rather simplistic and Star Wars-y, and Into Darkness was derivative. Beyond was the first original story in that trilogy, and the only one I’d call “compelling.”

Into Darkness was paranoid conspiracy theory junk.

I agree — BEYOND was the only one of the Kelvinverse movies that I ultimately liked, in retrospect.

2009 was Star Wars remade as Star Trek, basically he remade A New Hope. Then he did it again with Force Awakens.

I’ll go so far as to say it is the only emotionally engaging one, that it at least felt right in several key moments. I saw it twice in the theater, which makes it the only Abrams-related project so viewed by me. It still has a big sag in midfilm and a protracted act 3 with all the peter pan chasing tinkerbell above yorktown stuff that had me drumming my fingers on the chair arm. Still, tons better than ID and no comparison with the utter waste of film that is the 09, which I think I’m going to start calling the Mythology-Deformer, since it tries and fails woefully to Joseph Campbell a property that already had its own unique mythology.

Loved Trek 2009. It’s by far the best of the three Kelvin movies.

I know it’s going to be a bad day when I find myself agreeing with you…

It had a lot of problems. But all three did.

Yep Beyond was the best, mostly because it felt like Star Trek and waaay less dumb than the first two.

STID was bad and dumb but the first one was actually way more dumb in so many ways but less bad of a movie, so I guess they are even. 😀🙄

Just make Tribbles the villain! Can you imagine that trailer? Easy $1bn box office gross.

In all seriousness, Trek 2009 was a good origin story. But a HUGE mistake was made with ST:ID and the Kelvin film series has never recovered from it. I can see why they went with Khan as the villain for the 2nd movie, but the John Harrison thing was a massive blunder. Kelvin-Khan needed to show less head squishing, and more of that superior intellect, to be an intimidating villain.

Failing to use the Borg as a villain in the 3rd one is puzzling. Surely space-cyborgs done right would pull in a decent non-trek audience. You could literally have had a modified (better) version of Beyond.

Idris Elba as the Borg King (Edison first to be assimilated, then assimilated the Franklin crew).

The drone ships being actual Borg drones invading the E and assimilating crew, even as the E is being ripped apart.

The clear threat to Yorktown/Federation.

Spock wondering if he is more like the Borg than human in light of his break up with Uhura/thoughts on continuing friendship with Kirk.

Kirk’s fear of losing his individuality if he stays in his role as a Captain, or accepts Admiral’s position. Questioning his Starfleet future.

Jaylah seeing her family being assimilated/fear of Borg. Having to fight her borgified father/brother instead of random henchman.

Artefact from the beginning of the movie was a hidden Omega particle. Borg King wants it to perfect the collective and power his planned assimilation of the Federation. Ent-Crew activate it in climax destroying the borg and (an assimilated) Yorktown.

Ent Crew escape Yorktown/Omega detonation in barely completed Yorktown starship (designated ENT-A at end of movie).

I remember some rumours about the Borg being in Beyond even with the trailers out (twist would end up being Krall and his army are the borg). If they want some marvel box office (AntMan box office at least) they could do worse than bring in the borg .and even have them from the Prime timeline (to create a trendy multiverse link).

Apparently, Jonathan Frakes is interested… I doubt Bad Robot has/will ask him to though.

I don’t know that Frakes would be the guy to direct a potential $200mm film. A film that big is a massive undertaking.

These films shouldn’t cost $200 million though. Creative artists and producers can find a way to make magic out of a budget of half that. A $120 million film doing $300 million at the box office reads as a success story.

Depends how Picard Season 3 succeed, Perhaps he would be to busy for the Movie :)

“I would say it’s frustrating,” Pine says. “It doesn’t really foster the greatest sense of partnership, but it’s how it’s always been. I love the character. I love the people. I love the franchise. But to try to change the system in which things are created—I just can’t do it. I don’t have the energy.”

Yeah, Nimoy and Shatner, had much more pull in TOS movies than this.

The interviewer noting that “Abrams is elliptical about the film, even by J. J. Abrams standards .” just screams volumes about why Pine is frustrated. Anyone in Bad Robot’s orbit just talks in circles all the time. All the talent potentially involved with Trek XIV has moved on, because they are in demand, and you can’t work when all a potential project gives you is double, or elliptical talk.

They moved on because these movies don’t make real money. If the last three movies made what the Transformers movies did more would’ve stuck around.

There is a reason why Michael Bay did five TF movies and Abrams bailed after the second Kelvin movie. One made hand over fist in profits, the other one just broke even or bombed.

Like why doesn’t Abrams just direct this one then? Isn’t it weird how the guy who started these movies in the first place and has less to do these days since WB has turned down practically every TV show or movie the pitched for DC doesn’t seem to have any interest to do it?

Here’s the opportunity to step in and direct the next one once Shakman left just like he stepped in to direct Episode 9 when Colin Trevorrow left. Here is the chance for history to repeat itself. But that’s not happening, I wonder why?

Probably because either they can’t afford the guy anymore or it’s not enough potential money for a backend deal Abrams to do it like he made with Star Wars.

There could be a third reason and after making huge stinkers like STID and TROS they don’t want him near this either. But we know Hollywood doesn’t care about making quality stuff, only money. It’s why Bay made five Transformers movies in the first place. 🙄

So it’s probably just a money issue.

Star Trek Beyond was so boring, the other films were very disapointing overall but not boring as such, but Star Trek beyond just felt…boring, and it had the scale of a very expensive TV movie to me. They have soooo much potential with the Kelvin crew, each film has had moments of brilliance, true “Trek” moments, but they are just moments lost in a big budget mess of a dumbed down movie series. I dont know what to say, the last 20 years of Star Trek has been awful it really has struggled in the 21st Century, I include Nemesis and ENT in that and I am fans of both.

The real life tragedy of 9/11 disproved Star Trek ‘s thesis once and for all. That’s why everything we see now is either a pastiche of the 60s version or a gritty “update” with the label of Star Trek stretched over underlit Blade Runner ripoff schlock.

I’m not exactly sure what “thesis” 09/11 disproved once and for all, so I think that probably overstates it some. But there is no question that the classical Trek value of depicting a positive, rational future has been pretty devalued, and at this juncture is pretty out of touch with the culture. Plenty was going wrong in the world when TOS and its spinoffs were on the air — wars, assassinations, crime, environmental calamities, etc. — but there was also a sense that the world could be different, and the one thing liberals and conservatives alike took for granted was that there was at least a fair chance that their children would have it better than they did, as had been the case for every generation after the postwar boom. That, unfortunately, is no longer the case. So I’ll repeat the question I’ve been asking since the Picard season premiere: if Star Trek no longer exists to portray a more hopeful future than you can get in other genre offerings, what exactly is it for?

Spoken like an old, disillusioned liberal…and I get that, because I am one of those too!

I say that because I do see a lot of positive young people today who do have a better vision for the future. And for them, yes, we need more positive Star Trek — like what see see on SNW, Prodigy and DSC, for the most part, not like what we are getting on Picard Into Darkness and Cynical Decks, for the most part.

To turn a profit for Paramount in order to cover losses in Viacom’s larger portfolio.

I used to think that if Trek could convey optimism while on the air in 1968 — a year when it seemed the balloon went up (or is it down?) on world madness — that it would probably survive tough times again with the proper stewardship.

But the last few years (or the last 30 odd years if you want to go back to when I got seriously concerned about the environment in addition to all the other Big Things) have really provoked equal measures despair and rage in me, and a Pollyanna future barely works even as escapism. Older Trek still works for me because it is protected against my cynicism by its preexistence in a memory bubble of my youth, but honestly, the TREK that remains relevant for me is mainly the darker DS9 stuff: PAST TENSE nails things decades ahead of time, s31 shows what it needs to about governments and IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT is prid near perfect.

Sorry to pee on the wedding cake, but that’s my two cents. Now I got to go back to editing my PICARD article, which is quadruple the length it is supposed to be. (Too bad startrek.com and the newest version of the TREK magazine never respond to my inquiries, because I could keep them well-fed with just my leftovers.)

…there is no question that the classical Trek value of depicting a positive, rational future has been pretty devalued, and at this juncture is pretty out of touch with the culture. Plenty was going wrong in the world when TOS and its spinoffs were on the air — wars, assassinations, crime, environmental calamities, etc. — but there was also a sense that the world could be different…

This is a fascinating discussion. I’m not *not* convinced, but I’m not convinced, either. :)

TOS premiered in 1966 — that’s just over 20 years after V-E day, longer than the time that has passed between 9/11 and today.

If TOS could credibly portray an optimistic future a mere 20 years after the Holocaust, and indeed a mere 40 years after the Great War, I’m not sure why 9/11 precludes modern Trek from doing so as well.

I’d throw out the following hypotheses:

1. The issue is not so much 9/11 or other world events, but *domestic* politics — after Watergate, the loss of confidence in domestic institutions, and the US government to “do the right thing,” made it harder to believe in a future with a robust, stable, morally positive polity like the Federation. In the early 1960, people believed in the righteousness of Western democracy. Watergate changed that, and although that crisis of confidence receded in the 1980s and immediate post-Cold War period (uncoincidentally, the time when TNG was made), it came back with a vengeance in the new century after the Great Recession. Just *why* it came back is a huge question for political scientists.

2. Roddenberry and his cohort were not just garden-variety Hollywood producers — they served in the war, and then as a civilian commercial pilot with PanAm. Say what you will about him, but he believed in that future despite lived experience that showed how hard it would be to achieve. JJ’s lived experience is what, Hasty Pudding?

This is a fascinating (sorry) conversation to have. I think the parallel I would make is that in the mid 60’s, the nation was dealing with the existential dread of the A bomb constantly looming over them. If embracing space socialism meant not having the bomb dropped on themselves, that was something to look forward to! Now, the clear existential threats hanging over us constantly are not just the bomb, but also the wealth gap, a charred environment with the slimmest of chances of turning around, an economy that has pivoted to the exact opposite of socialism that we have healthcare from Amazon (owned by the richest person on the planet). The hopeful optimism of TOS Trek (which I still unabashedly love and show to my child) is not applicable. SNW did a radical thing (in my opinion) right off the bat in the pilot episode by showing familiar images to us 21st century rubes and pairing them with fabricated images of WWIII to show that it will get worse, much worse before it gets better. It shows us that we will pay for our follies but that we may still be resolute if we rely on each other to solve issues.

The nice thing about current Trek isn’t that all the programming is solid (spoiler, it isn’t) but that each show gives different people different views through which to help understand our humanity. Having trouble coping with trauma? There’s Discovery. Need a kids show that portrays a diverse group of kids working together? There’s Prodigy. Need a show about dealing with multiple midlife neurosis? There’s Picard. Want the old feeling of episodic cowboys in space? There’s Strange New Worlds. Need a good laugh while wallowing in the warm blanket that is 24th century LCARS and uniforms? There’s Lower Decks.

I didn’t mean to make this a defense of the franchise as a whole and sorry if I derailed the thread a bit, but I am one of the most cynical people I know and having a son that I am mostly convinced will grow up in a capitalist hellscape makes me reach for any amount of hope I can. I usually find writing and thinking about Trek gives me that so I think they’re still abiding by the original mantra set forth in the 1960’s. At least for me.

I find it very courageous that you even had a kid given that viewpoint. I knew that I couldn’t ever live with myself if I brought a kid into the world, given the way I saw the world as far back as the mid-70s when I was a teen. I spent a couple decades waiting for a vasectomy procedure to become free before finally shelling out for it myself. My wife and I always and only wanted to adopt, but never came across any situation where we’d qualify financially.

There’s a little core of gushy optimism in nearly all cynics, and Trek really used to tap that expertly with me. But that was another century …

For me Star Trek has been awful with Enterprise and only got worse JJ verse (but I thought all those were better than Nemesis at least) and more awful with Discovery and Picard.

Now I like more of that today. Really came to like Enterprise once I watched it and I did like Beyond but yeah it is on the boring side but a quality film. Picard is finally feeling like Star Trek to me this season but I said the same thing about the first two seasons after the first few episodes only to turn into huge stinkers, so not jumping the gun yet

But it’s sad I have been mostly unfulfilled since Voyager went off the air until very recently when LDS, SNW and PRO showed up. And I know some fans are still mixed on those shows too. But I am enjoying it more personally today, it just sucks it took this long.

Can’t be too compelling if no one is ponying up the money to make it, and the studio is waffling on starting it.

Even if the story was the most compelling thing ever conceived, this is a commercial business and the studio’s overriding concern is whether the pic would make money. The Kelvin films’ track record at the box office is pretty spotty. It ST films made bank, we wouldn’t be talking about when the fourth film is going to be released. We’d be eagerly anticipating the seventh .

Untrue. Film studios don’t make monetary decisions based on how compelling something is.

You’re splitting hairs on semantics there. Whatever the process is for evaluating a potential project, if compelling is one of the adjectives used to describe it, then they’ll make their decision accordingly. Outside of JJ talking it up, no one seems to be in a rush to make this movie (we’re assuming this story even exists). No one else seems too….compelled….by it.

Abrams wouldn’t know compelling if it hit him in the head.

If finding a director is the issue, why not JJ himself?

It would be erroneous to assume Abrahm’s isn’t busy.

JONATHAN FRAKES has been saying all along he’d direct a JJ ‘Trek film ….. what’s stopping Paramount (and JJ) from asking him, if they’re ONLY waiting to find a director?

Another candidate I would put forward from Star Trek is Olatunde, perhaps my favorite Trek director right now.

The problem with Olatunde is that he doesn’t know what a tripod is. Hand held camera works for action scenes, but when two people are talking and having a quiet moment he still has the camera bouncing around. It’s jarring and constantly pulls me out of the story.

Jesus Christ, no. All that guy knows how to do is spin a camera.

What’s stopping Paramount? Maybe no script. No story. No investors. Clearly, no budget. And Frakes waffles just a bit on directing, as well. Seems he does have other projects going on.

Yeah…all of this! 🤣

Simple answer. He doesn’t want to.

Because JJ will want a huge paycheck which will prevent it from being made on a reasonable budget. Trek was never a passion project for him, it was a job.

It was supposed to be a cash cow, with him wanting TPTB to suppress all other merchandise so that Kelvingear would have a wide-open road. When that didn’t happen, he probably washed at least one of his hands of it for good. And I’m more than fine with it going down that way.

I thought the 2009 film was great, which has re-watch value for me to this day. As does Beyond, which was very good except for pretty much wasting the talents of Idris Elba. As for STID, if it were a newspaper, I wouldn’t even deem to line my birdcage with it.

Overall, I find Abrams/Bad Robot to be very overrated. And please, stop using Beastie Boys songs in Trek movies.

Sooner or later Paramount will make this with the Kelvin crew! Its all about budget how little or how much they want to spend but in 2009 they went big & got approx $1.5b out of the franchise with 3 films. They just need to go big again relaunch the Kelvin crew with another mega budget JJ production with lens flare searing out of every frame & even JJ himself directing perhaps!

As crazy as that sounds, I think you’re right

Otherwise no point making another Trek movie the setup costs for new ship & crew are too high! Give the Kelvin one last adventure I think will do big box office & get a few more movies with this cast!

Makes no sense. A. They already have to make a new ship since they destroyed the last one lol. B. You think it will cost more to hire a new actor than it would to keep Zoe Saldana around who has already been in three of these and can command even more money now since her last three movies were Infinity War, Endgame and Avatar 2? Bro all those movies made more money in a single weekend than Beyond made total. 🤣🤣

What are you talking about??! New actors would be way less money unless they are Tom Cruise or Matt Damon replacing them lol.

They probably should fire the cast and just hire Cruise to do it and the next movie might actually make money.

I don’t get the lens flare or Apple bridge; SNW did that all much better with a smaller budget. I’d use the SNW bridge sets, ships just go with that’s the Kelvin “movie era” or restore the timeline or something along those lines. Go full motion picture era with Carol Marcus, Saavik, etc but something totally different like trying to stop a civilization from triggering a Higgs collapse at a supermassive black hole and go totally new with the 1701 ending up on some cross-galaxy expedition to stop it before everything (including the prime timeline) is doomed. Try to combine TMP with TWOK in some LOTR type adventure, something that should be possible but has never truly been done.

That’s not bad, something a little along the lines of what John Black pitched as a feature back in the 70s.

I always want to say that a small but successful Trek feature would be the way to go, but small, even if profitable, doesn’t often leave a mark that spurs more interest (look at Karl Urban’s DREDD — no followup and it has been over a decade I think.)

Is there just a whiff of sarcasm here?

Bro the last one bombed! No one cared about it but Trekkies and that was 3 years after STID. Now I don’t even think even a lot of Trekkies care about these movies anymore which means the next movie can bomb harder than Beyond did it the budget is too high again.

Why else has there been no movie after 7 years? It’s just money. Either they still don’t have enough to make a movie or they don’t think it will make enough. That’s all it is. If Beyond made a billion dollars, the next one would’ve been made years ago with an even bigger budget.

But instead it flopped, people aren’t dying to give the next movie more money because they will probably flop too. On top of that the cast can now ask for whatever they want not being under contract anymore and why no one has called Chris Pine. 🤣

I get why he’s complaining, but he’s also part of the problem. If they could make another big movie like Beyond they would just make the movie by now. It’s been 7 years! 😜

Pine should direct ST4. Obviously! They just need to ask him.

I just read the VF story. I don’t think that’s something Pine is interested in doing.

I like Chris Pine because, unlike pretty much everyone else involved with Trek, he’s not a hype machine. He’s an honest and thoughtful person.

One big problem is that the cast is now VERY expensive and that defeats the purpose of trying to make a film on a modest budget.

Well, perhaps the State of the Art now with Greenscreen and Monitor walling could reduce some Budget. But Today you need more CGI as in the Past and i bet many Star Trek “Pipeline CGI Artists” have their hand full with TV Series and such

But well, perhaps they can hunt for Ex-Game High Qualify Animators. They are trowing some of them out, because of saving Money. Same Ships but different Decks. could work

Go back to the TOS movie sequel model. Limit the number of space and transporter and ship shots to 150 cuts, not 1500.

And I find it terribly ironic that Pine is pushing for a lower budget. “Ok, Chris, we found a way to make it for $90m. You just have to do it for a $1m salary.” Crickets…

Quinto, Cho and Urban are doing TV shows. How pricey could they be? These guys aren’t Tom Holland or The Rock.

Semi-warm take: Pine is right. Trek films are never gonna make Marvel levels of money. Paramount would do well to disabuse themselves that they are.

Anyone in their right mind agrees!

I feel like Paramount is stalling and waiting for the clock to run out on JJ’s Kelvin Trek. It seems like it is going to be very close to a decade since Beyond before anything new is back in theaters.

With the Prime timeline of Star Trek flourishing on P+, how long will any interest in the unrelated and dormant Kelvin Trek last?

There are many questioning (including Paramount perhaps?) that the streaming series are flourishing, as you contend.

Who are the “many questioning” other than trolls here in the chat room? The streaming series objectively are flourishing as they are at the forefront of everything that Paramount+ publicizes.

Lots of people like those youtubers who have been yelling at the sky that Kurtzman is going to be fired ANY DAY NOW because new Star Trek is a failure, viewership is in the toilet, and Nick Meyer has ALREADY signed on to replace him! Haven’t you heard????

One can hope Trellium G.

2009 is the only Kelvin movie I could get my family to watch, and it convinced them to stick with the prime timeline. I can’t see myself going to a theatre to watch one alone.

I notice in hindsight that Paramount stuck JJ with making the announcement of the fourth movie launch window to investors…a deadline he’s failing to meet.

The fact that Abrams himself now seems to feel compelled to keep the hype alive suggests he’s not in a position of strength.

And why would he be?

His tentpole projects are not doing well.

Star Trek 4 should be about Kirk traveling back in time to save his father (aka Chris Hemsworth). In the process he sacrifices the Enterprise and dies dramatically but manages to restore the timeline. This erases the Kelvin alternate universe and puts everything back in place. It wound be a nice closure and ends the way the whole movie series started.

Of course the Alternative Universe is separate from the main universe so nothing needs fixing.

I’d direct it and I’d do it for 100.000 to 200,000. But I’m not really all that experienced with big budget films. Still to work on a Trek film is a dream of mine. I’ll do whatever the current prenise they got is though and not fight then. I will push it to be better of course. If anyone there at Paramount wants to contact me we can talk about it. Not that I expect them to from a post on this forum.

To summarise: I don’t feel like I need anymore of this crew. It’s too late. That era is closed for me. The series franchise is way ahead and currently way more interesting. I’m talking about SNW and any new post-TNG era series.

I feel bad for Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Urban, etc. These actors are constantly asked about a follow-up film. I don’t personally care about the Kelvin timeline … I would rather Paramount pour any money for the Trek film franchise into Kurtzman’s coffers.

A surefire way to generate the most comments in the least amount of time is to post an article on ST 4.

Maybe JJ Abrams should direct it. I mean he probably has enough pull left with the studio to actually get the movie made. Though i still believe the 4th movie as real as George Lucas sequel Star Wars trilogy. As in its not getting made.

After “Rise of Skywalker,” I’d prefer Abrams never direct anything else ever again.

I could be devil’s advocate and say he had to course correct after Last Jedi, but i won’t because JJ never had a plan. If only he had bothered to outline, and figured out who Rey was and had an actual arc for Luke. All he did was remake A New Hope. There were some interesting ideas i liked Rey as a scavenger and the idea of Finn as a renegade former stromtrooper turned Jedi. But it never went anywhere. The least interesting to me was Kylo as the new Vader. Why did Luke search for the first Jedi temple, why was there a map. A bunch of mystery boxes. And Last Jedi didn’t answer them. Also JJ making Rey a Palpatine i also found incredibly disappointing.

JJ was handed an impossible task with that film, and I guarantee he didn’t even want to do it. But they wanted his name attached, and probably thought that if anyone could clean up that mess it could be him, and backed up a brinks truck to convince him.

The real question is why they didn’t just contract him for all three in the first place, so there could be at the very least one clean story, win or lose.

Pine is frankly right. And I’m not even a fan. Trek was never going to pull in Marvel money and they should spend less on the movie and expect modest returns. As many of the TOS era movies showed us, You can make classic timeless movies on a limited budget if you Just Stick To the STORY!

“I always thought, Why aren’t we just appealing to this really rabid fan group and making the movie for a good price and going on our merry way, instead of trying to compete with the Marvels of the world?” At least Sad Robot did a decent job casting Kirk because that Pine guy is also smarter than the admirals.

Just feed ChatGTP with all those attempted scripts and ideas for ST4 (and the rejected for ST3) and we might get a story…

Chris Pine nailed it on the head. It goes to show you that the actual artists and creators understand the real potential and niche this franchise holds. It’s the number crunchers at the top trying to squeeze every damn penny out of us that create issues. Good on Pine for allowing his frustration to boil over. A combination of passion for the material and being self aware enough to know he’s ready to move on if it’s just going to cause frustration.

I’m of the opinion that the movie franchise needs a new “showrunner”, because it really demands someone’s undivided attention, and I mean no slight to JJ Abrams when I say his undivided attention is a rare commodity.

Is anyone even looking for a fourth movie at this point?

If pine wants the film made on a tighter budget he could have helped by accepting a lesser fee.

I’m hoping Star Trek 4 is base on TOS “Assignment: Earth” and TOS “Tomorrow is Yesterday” together. It would make a super Star Trek movie.

A better formula for success is to stop trying to recast old characters with new actors. Just invent new characters and tell new stories with those guys.

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It has been six years since “Star Trek” fans have seen the USS Enterprise on the big screen, but they will soon get to see it again as producer JJ Abrams announced at ViacomCBS’ investor presentation that his studio Bad Robot is getting set to shoot the fourth installment in the “Trek” reboot film series. Matt Shakman , the veteran TV director whose credits include “Game of Thrones” and the hit Marvel series “WandaVision,” will direct the upcoming film with the entire reboot cast in talks to return, including Chris Pine as Captain James T. Kirk and Zachary Quinto as Commander Spock as well as Karl Urban, Zoe Saldana, John Cho and Simon Pegg.

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Before J.J. Abrams, Star Trek Almost Got Its Own Version Of The Dark Knight Trilogy

The post-9/11 world was rough on "Star Trek." The not-super-popular "Star Trek: Enterprise" debuted on September 26, 2001, and the world wasn't in the mood. The U.S. president at the time, George W. Bush, began to affect violent, revenge-forward rhetoric, and many U.S. citizens were in a bitter, wounded mindset. While some may say that the utopian future of "Trek" was needed at that time, one can see how its idealism felt out of place. "Star Trek" would have us reaching out to our enemies and solving problems through diplomacy. That suggested course of action didn't sit well with a nation itching to enact justice. It's no wonder films like "The Avengers" took off in the post-9/11 milieu; the Avengers avenge the destruction of our cities. Diplomacy was out, freelance super-powered military mercs were in.

So when "Enterprise" was canceled in 2005 after four seasons, it seemed that "Star Trek" was at an end. The "Trek" movies had also recently petered out with the release of the terribly unsuccessful "Star Trek: Nemesis" in 2002. Trekkies could now only look back on the previous 39 years of entertainment and hold those hundreds of hours of film and TV close to our hearts. Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning.

But it seems the head honchos at "Trek" weren't quite done yet. Trying to keep the franchise alive and relevant in 2005, executive producer Rick Berman conceived of an idea to explore the lives of a young Kirk and a young Spock in a new feature film. That film, called "Star Trek: The Beginning," is discussed in the notable oral history book "The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years: From The Next Generation to J. J. Abrams," edited by Mark A. Altman and Edward Gross.

Star Trek: The Beginning

In 2001, screenwriter Erik Jendresen came into the public eye writing the hit TV series "Band of Brothers" for Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg. He was in high demand and, perhaps naturally, got a call from Paramount about the possibility of writing a "Star Trek" movie. Jendresen was not a Trekkie, so he balked at the offer. Indeed, his view of sci-fi was very specific, literary, and classic. He said:

"Shortly after 'Band of Brothers,' I got a call from my agent, who said, 'Would you be interested in getting into "Star Trek?"' And I said, 'No.' First of all, because I don't really like science fiction. I'm kind of an odd purist that way. If it's not Jules Verne or H.G. Wells or Edgar Allen Poe or Arthur Conan Doyle, I'm not that interested. The space opera genre of science fiction is just something that has never held any interest for me. But they didn't take no for an answer."

For producer Jordan Kerner, though, it was just a matter of convincing Jendrensen to find an "in." If he could be made interested in "Star Trek" as a concept, then he might want to write a screenplay. Knowing that the new film was to be about James T. Kirk — a forthrightly literary character — certainly piqued Jendresen's interest:

"Kerner really wanted to have a conversation, so they called me back and said, 'Would you come consult with us?' And I said, 'Sure.' And I was very honest with them. I loved two things about 'Star Trek.' The first was this sort of Horatio Hornblower aspect to Kirk. All of that boldness. It's sort of a throwback to a great kind of literary figure and hero."

Classic "Star Trek." So far, so good.

The pitch experience

Jendresen also appreciated the franchise's tendency to be political. He said that he "loved the fact that the stories were always, at the time, of political or social relevance. There was a message behind them all. And it was kind of lovely. I really respected that."

Rick Berman noted that making a "Star Trek" movie was more of Kerner's mandate, as it was part of his contract when he took a job at Paramount. Hence, the hiring of a screenwriter. Jendresen recalled that Berman was ready to step away from "Star Trek," knowing that a lot of Trekkies weren't so fond of his position overseeing everything. This was a new regime, just beginning, and Jedrensen was going to be one of its golden children. He recalls the entire experience of pitching a new "Star Trek" movie over producer Donald De Line's desk, located somewhere in Southern California. It didn't feel right. Jendresen explained:

"We went in to pitch it to the head of the studio, Donald De Line. We sat down and started telling the story. I've been in a lot of rooms in Hollywood. I've pitched a lot of projects. I've never been in a more preternaturally dead room than this one. It was like being in a sensory deprivation tank. There was not a sound, and in the middle of the pitch I thought, 'This is really odd.' In the middle of it, I look over to the sofas and one of the producers is sitting there and he started doing that 'Kennedy just got shot' with his fist under his chin."

Despite the dead room, Jendresen continued to pitch his idea for 45 minutes. At the end, the producers shook his hand, suddenly ecstatic. He got the job.

The actual idea

According to Glen C. Oliver, one of the critics at Ain't It Cool News who had read Jendresen's script, "Star Trek: The Beginning" was to follow the adventures of a character named Tiberius Chase, one of Kirk's ancestors. The story would involve a genocidal campaign by the Romulans against Earth in an effort to kill all the Vulcans living there. Given the time frame, it seems that "Star Trek: The Beginning" was to take place only a few decades after the events of "Enterprise," but also a few decades prior to the events of the original "Star Trek" series. Oliver recalled that the tone of the script — perhaps borrowing from "Band of Brothers" — was very World War II-tragic. One of the speeches made by the Chase character even sounded like a letter written by a soldier in the 1940s: "I will still, and forever, wonder how one can go boldly and follow at the same time?"

One might take note that some of these concepts would appear in the eventual 2009 "Star Trek" film directed by J.J. Abrams .

Jendresen elucidated by saying:

"This is all happening during the Serbian-Croatian conflict. So the whole notion was of this interstellar ethnic cleansing going on. It was really about something. And the fact that the Earth stands up against the Romulans and says, 'No.' The needs of the few outweighs the needs of the many. That is the moment when the Earth stands up and says no."

Oliver did note that "Star Trek: The Beginning" was a massive departure from the previous "Star Trek" ethos, which traditionally cleaved to pacifism. This new film was to be a straight-up military thriller of a type never seen in the franchise, not even during the days of "Deep Space Nine."

Respecting canon

Despite the tonal departure, Jendresen felt he was respectful to "Star Trek" canon, which he knew was massively important to the franchise's many fans. He still wasn't a Trekkie at the end of the experience, but he was proud of his work. He also came to understand Trekkies, as he began to equate their preoccupations with some of his own pop interests. Jendresen noted:

"By the time I was finished writing it, I was quite shocked about the whole thing. I really enjoyed the process. I was also very well aware of the fact that because of the agnostic feeling I had toward the genre, and I wasn't a die-hard fan, I was able to serve it better, because I wasn't precious. My own feelings about a story or a canon of material are as strong as most Trekkies are for the [Doyle] books. That was something I was crazed about as a kid. To this day, I still am."

One might find evidence of Kirk's family in expanded-universe lore and tie-in novels, but Kirk rarely talked about his family explicitly in any of the "Star Trek" shows or movies. Jendresen was free to explore that character. He also liked the idea of writing a character who didn't live into the rest of "Star Trek" canon. He was free to harm Chase or make him as tragic as he wanted:

"Having to come up with some kind of clever way to be able to have a human encounter a Romulan and deal with the notion that no one lives to tell of it. And it was really fun to try to tackle the idea of Kirk's progenitor. Who is this guy that he was named after? Where did his spirit originate from? I really embraced it."

The Beginning trilogy

Both Jendresen and Oliver noted that an ultra-military world was very strange for "Star Trek," but both acknowledged that Starfleet — by the franchise's own canonical history — couldn't be born before Earth survived several devastating wars. Jendresen merely wanted to see what the world of "Star Trek" looked like during those wars. There was a time in "Star Trek" history when the world was not placid and put-together, and looked more like "Starship Troopers." The critic said, however, that the cliffhanger ending of the screenplay to "Star Trek: The Beginning" left a lot to be desired. Oliver noted:

"It's difficult to completely assess the full success of Jendresen's overall intent here, though. My understanding is that 'The Beginning' was the first of three intended movies, and as such it ends somewhat ambiguously. Thus, the payoff of several important plot threads is currently, and will likely forever be, unclear. If whatever he planned next was as forward-thinking and out of the box as his first installment. We'd have seen a very unusual, very grown-up 'Trek' for the ages."

Jendresen, meanwhile, already had begun to figure out what the next movie in the series might be, noting that "The Beginning" would indeed be the first part of a three-film cycle, all literarily inspired. In his words:

"I was so looking forward to the second one, because it was going to be a chase from Romulan space. And also, the great notion being that most of the Romulan fleet would be heading back to Romulus from Earth so they are sort of on a collision course with the whole Romulan fleet. During the course of this, there would be conflict, tension, and suspense. But, I was looking forward to inventing the adventures of Odysseus on his way home, back to Penelope."

Christopher Walken, captain of the Nazi UFOs

"Star Trek: The Beginning," then, was to be a sci-fi, WWII-inflected rendition of "The Iliad," with Kirk's grandfather serving as Odysseus. Not a bad pitch! The follow-up film was to be the soldiers returning home from the battlefield, very much like "The Odyssey." Jedresen even began to brainstorm what might happen on that Odyssey, and the kinds of character Chase would meet along the way. Most significantly, Jendresen wanted to include Chase's own father as a notable villain. He even knew which actor he wanted to play this villain:

"I did have one person in mind when I wrote it. But it's a tertiary character. Tiberius is Kirk's great-grandfather. So his great-great-grandfather is Tiberius' father, Otto Chase, who leads this group of xenophobes, and I was just absolutely convinced there was only one guy to play him. And that was Christopher Walken. I would have brought him back in the sequel. He was such a colorful character. The idea of Walken in this subterranean cavern with all of these ancient rotting Nazi UFOs would've been great."

The "Beginning" project likely fell apart because of a schism in Viacom in 2006, causing the film and the TV rights of "Star Trek" to be split among two companies. Jendresen's ideas about a Romulan attack fleet and the extermination of the Vulcans found their way into the screenplay written by Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci for J.J. Abrams' 2009 film. The 2009 film was also extremely militant (the characters even wore army-like uniforms in "Star Trek Into Darkness") and looked back at events prior to the original series.

Would Jendresen's war trilogy have been better? We can only speculate.

New Star Trek movie from producer JJ Arbams announced by Paramount

Set phasers to 2023

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Paramount has announced a new Star Trek movie, set for release on June 9, 2023. J.J. Abrams , who directed 2009's Star Trek and its sequel Star Trek: Into Darkness , returns as producer for the project.

A statement from StarTrek.com reads: "This will be the first new Star Trek film since the last installment in the Kelvin-verse series, Star Trek Beyond , director Justin Lin's 2016 installment. As of now, there is no official information concerning the director of this latest movie, nor do we know whether or not we'll be exploring more of the Kelvin-verse, perhaps pick up from where Star Trek: Nemesis left off with The Next Generation films , or if the film will follow a new plot entirely through the Prime timeline."

Last month, we learned Paramount had chosen Star Trek: Discovery writer and consulting producer Kalinda Vazquez to write the script for an upcoming Star Trek movie. However, according to io9 , some reports indicate that the 2023 movie is not written by Vazquez and may be a separate project.

Confusingly, Abrams is still producing Vasquez’s Star Trek movie , which came from an original pitch from the writer. There was some speculation about whether or not it could connect to the current Star Trek TV Universe in some way – we'll have to wait and see how things continue to develop.

Things have been on the up and up for the Star Trek franchise. Earlier in the week, the first trailer for the forthcoming Star Trek: Discovery season 4 . The series is coming off a highly lauded season 3, which saw main character Michael Burnham promoted to captain. Star Trek: Discovery season 4 debuts later this year.

There are no details on who will direct or star in the new Star Trek movie or what the exact timeline or story details will be, but in the meantime, you can check out some other space adventures included in our list of best sci-fi movies .

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Plot details are being kept under wraps at this stage, and there is no official release date, but the publication reports that Abrams is also still working on Star Trek 4 .

Last autumn, screenwriter Lindsey Anderson Beer confirmed that the sequel with Chris Pine and the crew of the previous three Star Trek films remains on track .

"It's still on the tracks. I love that project, and it was another one that I had to hop off of to direct [ Pet Sematary: Bloodlines ], and that was a hard thing to do. But I love everybody involved with that project," Beer told Collider .

The project had previously been delayed following the departure of director Matt Shakman , who has since joined the Marvel Cinematic Universe for the long-awaited Fantastic Four film.

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Discovery Was Built On Earth Like USS Enterprise In J.J. Abrams’ Star Trek

WARNING: Contains SPOILERS for Star Trek: Discovery, season 5, episode 4, "Face the Strange". Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 4, "Face the Strange", reminds us that the USS Discovery was built on Earth, just like the USS Enterprise in the J.J. Abrams Star Trek movies. Written by Sean Cochran and directed by Lee Rose , "Face the Strange" catapults Captain Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Commander Rayner (Callum Keith Rennie) through the personal history of the USS Discovery. From its construction in the 23rd century to the crew being killed by the Breen in the 32nd century, Discovery season 5, episode 4, covers the full spread of the starship's history.

Star Trek: Discovery season 1 established that the USS Discovery was still a new and groundbreaking vessel in 2256 . It's unclear exactly when Burnham and Rayner's trip to the in-construction USS Discovery takes place, but deck seven hadn't quite been completed on schedule. However, it's very clear from a glimpse of the outside world where Burnham and Rayner have traveled to, the San Francisco Fleet Yards on Earth, drawing a direct link with J.J. Abrams' version of the starship Enterprise from the Kelvin Timeline movies.

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The USS Discovery was built at the San Francisco Shipyards, something first mentioned way back in Star Trek: Discovery season 1 . "Face the Strange" reveals the location of the shipyard, via a glimpse of the Golden Gate Bridge. This places Starfleet's San Francisco Shipyards somewhere in or around Starfleet Academy and Federation Headquarters. A huge amount of space must be required to construct starships, so it's possible that specialist platforms have been erected in the area around San Francisco Bay. The height of Burnham's view means that the audience don't see the ground, suggesting that the Crossfield-class starship could be constructed on a floating platform.

The Kelvin Timeline version of the USS Enterprise was also built on the Earth's surface, at the Starfleet Shipyard in Riverside, Iowa . However, while the majority of construction took place in Iowa, the Enterprise itself was launched from the San Francisco Fleet Yards. This draws a direct link with Star Trek: Discovery , suggesting that the nature of starfleet construction in the 23rd century was largely unchanged by the destruction of the USS Kelvin. However, the USS Discovery and the Kelvin Timeline USS Enterprise are still unique, because the majority of Star Trek 's starships are built in space.

Star Trek: Discovery was the first Star Trek show in 12 years, released after the three J.J. Abrams movies, which may account for season 1's reference to the Earth-based construction seen in Star Trek (2009) .

Starfleet Ships Are Usually Built In Space

In the Star Trek universe, Starfleet's ships are generally built in space, either at the Utopia Planitia Shipyards above Mars, or in various space docks. The USS Excelsior, first glimpsed in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock was being built and tested at Spacedock One. A century later, the USS Enterprise-D, USS Defiant and USS Voyager were all constructed at the orbital Utopia Planitia Shipyards. This makes the USS Discovery unique in the prime Star Trek timeline, as it's the only hero ship confirmed to be built on Earth. In fact, Discovery is unique among other starships in Star Trek: Discovery 's 32nd century timeline.

Starships in the 32nd century are built and refitted at Starfleet's Archer Spacedock , unveiled in Star Trek: Discovery season 4. The USS Discovery has made several trips to Archer Spacedock for repairs following its encounters with the Dark Matter Anomaly and the avalanche on Q'Mau. All of which proves that, while starships can be constructed on Earth, it's far more convenient and efficient for them to be built and repaired in space so that they're primed to join Starfleet's armada at the nearest opportunity.

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J.J. Abrams' 2009 movie Star Trek rebooted the iconic sci-fi franchise in a totally new timeline. When a Romulan ship travels back in time and alters the past, the lives of James T. Kirk (Chris Pine), Spock (Zachary Quinto), and the future crew of the USS Enterprise are drastically changed. In this new timeline, the Romulan Nero (Eric Bana) sets out for revenge on Spock, setting off a chain of events that reshape the entire universe.

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“Less Shatner.” Those two little words encompassed the advice filmmaker J.J. Abrams had for Chris Pine when the two collaborated on the big-screen reboot of the Star Trek franchise, which began in 2009. Pine was tasked with picking up the enormous mantle of the iconic character, James T. Kirk, who was portrayed brilliantly by William Shatner from 1966 until 1994. Pine said in an interview during his appearance on the Wait Wait… Don’t Tell Me podcast:

“I think the biggest correction that J.J. [Abrams] ever had for me was ‘less Shatner.’ Because it’s so deliciously fun. I mean, anything from how he sits in the chair to how he does a double take. There are many… the Shatnerisms are long and deep, and they’re beautiful. They’re beautifully crafted.”

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Pine starred as James T. Kirk in all three of the reboot films, which began with Star Trek (2009) and was followed up by the sequels Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond . Abrams directed the first two movies, but he turned the director’s chair over to Justin Lin for the third installment. And nearly eight years have passed since Star Trek Beyond , and Star Trek 4 has still yet to warp speed into movie theaters.

Chris Pine Believes the Star Trek Franchise Is 'Cursed'

While J.J Abrams’ 2009 reboot certainly isn’t the best of the Star Trek films, both critics and audiences alike enjoyed the U.S.S. Enterprise’s encounter with the rogue Romulan Nero (Eric Bana), which featured the return of Leonard Nimoy as the original Mr. Spock. Abrams’ new vision of the sci-fi phenomenon also made $385.7 million worldwide (per Box Office Mojo ). So, a sequel was inevitable. And in the summer of 2013, Kirk and crew faced off against Khan (Benedict Cumberbatch) in Star Trek Into Darkness .

Star Trek Into Darkness made even more money ($467.4 million) than Star Trek (2009) did globally, but 2016’s Star Trek Beyond didn’t fare as well as its predecessors ($343.5 million), and the reboot series has been in limbo ever since. Co-star Zoe Saldaña (Lt. Uhura) still has hope that Star Trek 4 will come to fruition. But when it comes to the Star Trek franchise, Pine “feels like it’s cursed,” according to an interview he did with Esquire in 2023.

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In March of this year, the C.O.O./President of Development for Roddenberry Entertainment, Trevor Roth, said “there is a plan” for a new Star Trek movie. Roth elaborated on the possibility in the same interview conducted at the SXSW film festival:

“I am not able to say much, but I can say that it is Paramount's intent to figure out the Star Trek side of movies and what's going on there. There's every intent of a new movie coming out in the very near future. There's a lot of secrecy around what's going to happen there. But there is a plan getting into place. And we're very excited to see it return to the big screen.”

Most recently, Pine wrote and directed his first feature film, Poolman. Pine also stars alongside Danny DeVito in the comedic mystery, which opens exclusively in theaters on May 10. And fans can watch the Poolman trailer right now.

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10 ways finn being a jedi would've improved the star wars sequel trilogy.

If Finn became a Jedi at some point in the sequel trilogy, the movies would have been improved in a variety of different ways, most notably these ten.

Finn becoming a Jedi would have improved the disjointed sequel trilogy, fulfilling otherwise empty storylines and creating more effective twists.
Finn's lack of agency and focus in the sequels could have been fixed, highlighting his character in the way he deserved.
Finn being Force-sensitive would resolve his unresolved plotline in The Rise of Skywalker, which is now quite confusing in hindsight.

Out of all the characters introduced in the Star Wars sequel trilogy, it often feels as though if Finn had eventually become a Jedi, parts of the sequel trilogy would have been improved. Despite the success of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, with each installment in the trilogy more controversy followed, culminating in disastrous reviews for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. All in all, despite certain positives, many view the sequel trilogy as being rather disjointed and flawed - but Finn's story could have changed that.

Originally known as FN-2187, Finn is best known as the stormtrooper who helped to free Poe Dameron and defected from the First Order . As a character, it seemed as though there were hints in the final installment of the trilogy that might have once pointed to bigger plans for the character. If these plans had been acted on and Finn was, for example, revealed to be Force-sensitive, it could have improved the sequels in a variety of different ways.

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10 becoming a jedi would have given finn more to do, finn feels mostly left out of the rise of skywalker.

Throughout the sequel trilogy and in The Rise of Skywalker especially, Finn feels like an afterthought of a character. The importance placed upon him in the first two movies disappears by the third, leaving him to simply follow around characters who have been deemed more vital by the plot, such as Rey and Poe Dameron. This left him feeling empty and forgettable where he once was a character driving the plot, such as in Star Wars: The Last Jedi where he infiltrates the First Order along with Rose Tico.

If Finn were to become a Jedi in The Rise of Skywalker, this would have helped to solidify a place for him in the plot. Because his time as a stormtrooper is now over and done with, Finn doesn’t have a specialty anymore. This would have given him something to work towards, either trained by or learning alongside Rey herself , who at this point is much more experienced. In turn, this would have made the movie more exciting and filled the spot of an empty character.

9 Using The Force Could Have Given Finn More Agency

Finn doesn’t do much on his own in the sequel trilogy.

An issue that plagues Finn throughout the sequel trilogy is that most of what he does is fueled by others. He ends up following Rey in The Force Awakens, offering little in the way of ideas and mostly just going along with her plan. In The Last Jedi, it's never Finn’s plan. It is either Poe’s plan to infiltrate the First Order and overrule Admiral Holdo, or it is Maz Kanata’s plan to find the Master Codebreaker.

Agency and doing what Finn feels is right would become an integral part of his character.

The only real instance where Finn shows any sort of real agency happens at the very beginning of his story, when he makes the conscious decision to defect from the First Order. If he were to choose to follow the path of the Jedi, this is something that Finn could build upon. Agency and doing what Finn feels is right would become an integral part of his character, in turn improving the themes of the sequel trilogy.

8 The Plot Would Have Had Something Else To Focus On

Sometimes the story feels like it’s missing something.

There are many scenes in the sequel trilogy that feel like added fluff. Instances like the Canto Bight sequence in The Last Jedi are well staged and often beautiful, but receive very little payoff in terms of the actual story. Because of this, there are sometimes moments in which the story of the sequel trilogy falls flat and doesn’t seem to go anywhere.

Giving Finn a concrete goal to achieve with real stakes and history attached would change this. By offering Finn the journey of the Jedi and showing it juxtaposed in a different light to Rey’s own journey, it would help to fill those moments where the story currently isn't so compelling . It could be anything, from Finn using the Force for the first time to actually telling Rey that he is Force-sensitive and asking her for help.

7 The Jedi Could Have Been Brought To The Forefront

The sequel trilogy often forgets about the jedi that came before.

Despite the fact that the Jedi are the most well-known part of Star Wars as a whole, the sequel trilogy often forgets to feature them. The Last Jedi is the only movie that really tries, going deeper into Luke Skywalker’s Jedi Temple and the story of how Ben Solo became Kylo Ren. The Rise of Skywalker touches on them too, if only briefly, to pose Rey as the vessel of all the Jedi against the Emperor, who represents all the Sith.

If the seeds of Finn being Force-sensitive had been sewn from the beginning, this could have helped to establish a more Jedi-focused narrative for the story. Finn could have represented a fledgling just learning their way , as Rey seems to know what she’s doing and how to do it for the most part throughout the entire trilogy. This would have helped the Jedi to have more of a showing, as Rey and Luke Skywalker are the only real Jedi that appear - and Luke only really appears for any length of time in The Last Jedi.

6 Finn Would Have Offered The Perfect Opportunity For The Jedi To Rebuild

Rey’s new trilogy had the best starting point and did not use it, rey skywalker.

Little is known about Rey’s future trilogy, but one thing that has been confirmed is that it will center around the New Jedi Order. It is possible that this series will follow Rey as she teaches the next generation of Jedi, rebuilding what Luke Skywalker thought was long-lost . Viewers will have to wait a while to see where the series goes next, but thinking about the upcoming series in the context of the sequel trilogy could help to shed some light on what is to come.

Not only would Rey have the opportunity to pass on what she has already learned, but it would provide teaching experience on the fly that could guide her going forward into her new trilogy.

Regardless of what will come next, if Finn were to start on his Jedi journey in the sequel series, it would have provided the perfect starting point for Rey’s trilogy to jump off of. Not only would Rey have the opportunity to pass on what she has already learned, but it would provide teaching experience on the fly that could guide her going forward into her new trilogy. This inclusion would help the sequels by rounding out the ending and exciting viewers for the next installment in the franchise.

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5 the plot wouldn’t have been so focused on rey and ben solo, another jedi could have added more character variety, ben solo/kylo ren.

By the time the sequel trilogy reaches The Last Jedi, it very much seems like Rey and Kylo Ren, later Ben Solo, are hogging the spotlight. Most of the important scenes in the latter two movies go to them, with other characters relegated to what could be considered side quests in relation to the main plot. Finn especially gets the short end of the stick, mostly due to his increasing lack of agency as the story progresses.

Because Jedi are often so plot relevant, especially in a trilogy of films where Jedi are scarce, simply making Finn into one would already give the plot someone else to focus on for a little while. His journey in the Force and what he can do to help restore balance would be elevated by his personal stake in it. Finn would no longer be a bystander watching from within the Resistance, but an active part of the fight with the growing skill set to actually take part in battle.

4 Finn Could Have Shown That Anyone Could Become A Jedi

This would have continued the message of the last jedi.

One of the themes touched on in The Last Jedi and then subsequently dropped in The Rise of Skywalker is the one that anyone could be a Jedi, or more generally, a hero. When Rey’s parents were originally confirmed to be “nobody,” this is the direction that many thought the filmmakers were going. This, coupled with the scene at the end of the movie of the child on Canto Bight using the Force, really hammered the message home that people don't have to come from a famous family like the Skywalkers in order to be special.

The Rise of Skywalker completely undoes this message by relating Rey to the Emperor. However, if the movie wanted to keep that plot point and also the important message of The Last Jedi, the writers could have used Finn instead. Finn started out as a stormtrooper in the least likely place for a Jedi to begin, the First Order. Finn would have been the perfect character to show that it isn't about who a person is related to or where they started out ; it's about what they do with the tools they have.

3 It Would Have Called Back To Finn’s Lightsaber Fight In The Force Awakens

His lightsaber fight against kylo ren remains impressive.

When Finn fights against Kylo Ren on Takodana, it culminates in one of the most interesting lightsaber fights in the sequel trilogy. Finn has never used a lightsaber before, and it clearly shows, but he holds his own well enough to survive against a man who has been training for his entire life. He should be dead, and yet somehow Finn survived.

Not only would it be very cool to see him wield a lightsaber again, but it would give the opportunity for the plot to call back to this moment.

Seeing Finn wield the Skywalker lightsaber gave viewers a taste of what he as a Jedi could be like. Not only would it be very cool to see him wield a lightsaber again, but it would give the opportunity for the plot to call back to this moment. Perhaps it was the Force that allowed him to survive, or it could have just been quick thinking - or even sheer luck. Regardless, it would have been nice to see Finn use a lightsaber again.

2 Finn Being Force-Sensitive Could Have Fixed An Unresolved Plotline

The rise of skywalker left one plot point dangling permanently.

In the little that Finn is given to do in The Rise of Skywalker, there are several moments where he states there is something he needs to tell Rey. He says this several times, to the point where he and Poe Dameron even clash over it. Many thought this might have been a love confession, but Finn never ends up saying what it was he needed to tell Rey before the end of the movie.

It was later confirmed by J.J. Abrams that he was going to tell Rey he was Force-sensitive. However, that never made it into the final version of the movie. If Finn were to tell her, even in a short scene where he shows Rey that he can use the Force, it would resolve this plotline that, as it stands now, makes little sense still being in the movie.

1 Star Wars Needs More Black Jedi

Mace windu has been leading the charge for 25 years.

For years, the only prominent black Jedi has been Mace Windu. Others have been introduced, such as Kelleran Beq , but none have held the same importance to the plot that a character like Anakin Skywalker or even Rey has . Until recently, there has been a lack of people of color playing prominent roles as a whole.

Finn is more than just another member of the Resistance, and becoming a Jedi would mean so much, not only to the story but to those who watch as well. It would have allowed Finn to be a role model operating within the mystical Jedi framework. Star Wars has a noticeable lack of black Jedi, and allowing Finn to take this journey would have been a step forward for the franchise.

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