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TaylorMade SLDR Fairway Wood Review

In recent years the evolution of the fairway wood has been nothing short of staggering. Since the first use of the various slotted technologies and the gains they have led to for most golfers, fairways are now firmly in the mind of many amateurs. With that, the sizes, shapes, and even colors for fairway woods have gone through a myriad of changes and no one has driven that more than TaylorMade. With the new releases upon us, those changes are continuing with adapting the basic principles of their popular SLDR driver (lower CG) and taking it into the realm of fairway woods.

For the purpose of this review THP was sent the standard SLDR 3-wood at a loft of 15-degrees and paired with the stock Speeder 77 shaft in stiff-flex.

Product Features from TaylorMade:

General Information:

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SLDR fairways woods and Rescue clubs combine two of TaylorMade’s most recent innovations: Speed Pocket technology and an exceptionally low-and-forward center of gravity (CG) location.

Smaller is better. The new Speed Pocket is smaller (introduced in the RocketBallz fairways and Rescues), which actually makes it more efficient at increasing how fast the face flexes at impact, promoting faster initial ball speed across a wider portion of the face, which helps you get consistently long distance on every swing.

The new Speed Pocket design also gave TaylorMade engineers room to move the clubhead’s CG lower and farther forward, to a place that promotes faster ball speed and a lower spin-rate.

We learned with the SLDR driver that a low-forward CG location allows many players to increase their loft to achieve the right combination of high-launch / low-spin that promotes maximum distance. The same thing goes for SLDR fairway and Rescues, which is where our Loft Sleeve technology serves such an important purpose, by allowing you to adjust the loft 1.5° up or down to dial in their optimal launch conditions.

Visually, SLDR fairways and Rescues incorporate the same rich, charcoal-gray crown and traditional shaping as the SLDR driver. The dark crown-color contrasts beautifully with the silver-colored clubface to make it easy to align the face accurately at address.

Available Lofts:

• Tour Spoon – 14 degrees
• 3-wood – 15 degrees
• 3-wood HL – 17 degrees
• 5-wood – 19 degrees
• 5-wood HL – 21 degrees
• 3/5 Available in RH and LH
• TS14/3HL/5HL Available in RH Only

Stock Shaft:

• Fujikura Speeder 77 – Regular, Stiff, and XS

Aesthetics:

Love them or hate them, no one can deny that TaylorMade has a way when it comes to the color schemes that they use within each line that they release. The SLDR line is no different with its metallic charcoal crown, brushed sole, and blue accents. The result is possibly the best looking fairway wood that TaylorMade has released in years. Even with the small graphic at the rear of the crown it is a clean look, with nothing unnecessary and no bright white finish – it’s just a look that says this one has come to work.

• Overall Design Appearance

Obviously the aforementioned finish qualities are what the eye is going to catch first with any club, but equally important is how the actual design aesthetics round out the package when standing over the golf ball. With the standard version of SLDR fairway there are some major changes from what we have seen in the recent past with TM fairways.

The first change worth mentioning is the smaller overall size of the head. The SLDR 3-wood comes in at 155cc, whereas the last non-TP fairway that TM released was 175cc. It is a sizeable difference for sure. The benefit to this is that the profile of the SLDR looks more like a fairway wood and less like a miniature driver, a definite improvement by many people’s standards. Additionally, the Speed-Pocket is much different than we have become accustomed to as it is smaller and a slightly different shape. Put all of this together and the SLDR fairway wood is an impressive package.

Performance:

• Trajectory/Accuracy

The most recent push from TaylorMade with the introduction of the SLDR driver is that of a more forward and lower CG, which is intended to promote lower spin and faster ball speeds. That same ideology/technology has been applied to the SLDR fairway and hybrid lines as well. Because of the CG movement creating much lower spin, the actual effective loft of the club has become more important as far as achieving optimal launch conditions. The low-spin/loft situation is exactly why TM included their Loft Sleeve technology in the standard version this year and not just the “Tour” version as they did in the past.

Clearly, such focus on a lower spinning design where increased loft has been necessary for even Tour players can lead to a bit of hesitation by many golfers. On the course however this proved to not be anywhere near as severe as with the driver. In fact, off of the tee in particular the ball flight was quite impressive as it settled nicely into the mid-high category the majority of the time. One area where the low spin affected trajectory more was off of the deck. In its standard 15-degree setting, the ball flight was definitely lower and more penetrating, but after adjusting the Loft Sleeve the ball flight off of the deck became higher and more consistent.

By now most golfers know about the purpose of the Speed-Pocket and its role in impacting face flexion and ball speed. As years go by it is now clear that this is a technology in which TaylorMade has bought all the way into across their lines, but rather than settling with it, they are continuing to evolve and improve it. Anyone who has seen the previous models will instantly recognize the difference in the Speed-Pocket within the SLDR. The pocket itself is now filled in with a polymer to prevent debris (a common complaint with prior versions) and also is smaller and slightly u-shaped. Combine this refined Speed-Pocket with the lower spin and higher ball speeds created by the more forward CG and TM believes they have created their longest fairway wood ever.

Undoubtedly, distance claims always get different reactions among golfers, some positive and some negative, but in the end it all comes down to whether or not the performance backs up the claims. As far as the SLDR fairway wood goes on well struck balls, TaylorMade’s belief in its length certainly seems warranted. Both off of the tee and from the fairway the club was legitimately longer than the RBZ and Stage 2 as well when hit side by side. In fact, the term “sneaky long” would definitely be applicable here. Interestingly, considering the typical effects of a more forward CG on the area outside of the sweet-spot, the mis-hits did give distance loss, but not nearly as much as expected.

• Forgiveness

As has been seen with the SLDR driver, the movement of the CG more forward and lower in the head does indeed affect spin rates and ball speeds on well struck shots, but it can also have a tendency to accentuate misses in both distance and direction. Entering the review similar results were expected out of the 3-wood; however they were definitely not seen in the same amount.

The SLDR fairway has a very nice sound/feel to it upon impact. It’s a slightly lower tone and impressively solid sounding. The nice thing about the sound is that it also gives distinct feedback as to when and where a miss takes place. The actual results of misses seem no more severe than one would expect out of any fairway wood. It is very possible that this comes back to the Speed-Pocket and its redesigned size and shape allowing for increased face flexion and thusly restoring some of the cross face (outside the sweet spot) forgiveness that would typically be lost when the CG is moved more forward and down inside the clubhead. Either way, although it will not be mistaken for an ultra-forgiving fairway wood, it is much more playable than many people may initially think.

• Playability

From a playability standpoint with a fairway wood it is always important to take a look at the club off of the tee, off of the deck, and the ability to work the golf ball with it. Off of the tee the SLDR fairway wood shines, as it provides a ball flight and range of accuracy that would make it a useful tool for many in that area of their game. Off of the grass is where the loft on the SLDR comes into play the most. The club itself is effective through impact with its build, despite not having any type of rails, but the low spin nature will certainly influence the type of ball-flight the user sees (high/low). For those that like to work the golf ball, the more compact nature of the SLDR fairway lends itself well to turning the ball left or right when need be, more so than the Stage-2 did before it.

Parting Thoughts:

It is impressive in today’s golf club industry to see a company developing what they feel to be a revolutionary technology and truly sticking with it as time goes on, rather than just hopping from concept to concept. With TaylorMade, they clearly believe that the Speed-Pocket tech in fairways, hybrids, and even irons is a game changer and something that makes their clubs stand out from many other contenders. Frankly, the results seem to back that quite often, and with the SLDR Fairway wood the Speed-Pocket combined with the lower CG has made for a very interesting club. Additionally, it is certainly nice to see the push that TaylorMade is making about utilizing the ability to adjust the loft in order to find the perfect launch angles with this lower spinning line of clubs. In all, the SLDR Fairway is most definitely at least worth a try for those looking for a change in their bag.

The standard 15-degree SLDR Fairway wood as reviewed in this article has an MSRP of $249.99. For more information about the club, be sure to check out www.taylormadegolf.com .

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RocketBallz 3-wood

Usually, the safest place to stand when I’m hitting a wood off the deck is on the green.

After picking up the RocketBallz Tour 3-wood last week, I needed all my *imaginary* fans standing behind the ropes. Quite please!

The high launching RBZ 3-wood produces one of the most powerful flights I’ve ever seen. Driver-esque, if you will.

Anyone who generates 150mph of ball speed will gain an extra 17 yards, claims TaylorMade, who got all of their staff players to wear the number on their caps last month. I certainly take my hat off to them.

The RBZ 3-wood is fitted with a standard Matrix Ozik XCon 5 shaft and weighs just 50 grams. With its lightweight head and shaft, the ball just shoots off the clubface.

The new RBZ white and green combination is awe-inspiring, particularly when combined with the new speed pocket and the distance gains.

The white head and black face combination of the RocketBallz RBZ 3-wood is designed to aid alignment and reduce glare, while a weight port in the sole is positioned close to the face to improve ball speed.

An area behind the face has been removed from the sole to create a speed pocket and this is designed to increase power off the face and to boost ball speed on a range of different strikes.

I really like the deep face as it aids forgiveness. Unlike the RBZ driver, the sound of the RBZ 3-wood is pleasing.

The standard RocketBallz fairway wood is priced at £179. Tour versions are 13, 14.5 and 18 degree (RH only), while standard lofts are in 15, 17, 19, 21 and 24-degree (RH) and 15, 18 and 21-degree (LH)

I didn’t quite believe a ball could go an extra 17 yards, but it does. In fact, I would say I gained more than 20 yards with some second shots off the fairway running out close to 230 yards.

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TaylorMade SLDR Fairway and Rescue Review

Do the SLDR Fairway and Rescue live up to the hype of the SLDR Driver? And what’ s with this low-forward center of gravity concept anyway?

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TaylorMade claims that the low-and-forward CG will let many players increase loft to achieve a higher launch with lower spin to promote maximum distance. This is a tantalizing prospect. In most parts of the U.S., golf remains an aerial game. Bandon Dunes and other truly firm and fast courses aside, players are almost always better off getting maximum carry rather than trying to run the ball along the fairway. Higher shots will land softer, giving us a better chance to hold the green and less chance of it running into trouble.

There is no denying that SLDRs are generating a lot of buzz. You can spot the chrome accent all over every PGA Tour broadcast, and probably at your club, as well. The rumor is that several manufacturers will be moving weight forward and low in upcoming models. Will this be the next big thing? Let’s take a look. Technology The headline technologies in both the SLDR fairway and rescue clubs are the Speed Pocket and the aforementioned low-and-forward CG.

TaylorMade has actually made the Speed Pocket in the SLDR smaller than the version featured in the RocketBallz clubs, which it claims makes the Speed Pocket more efficient at increasing the speed that the face flexes at impact. That, in theory, improves initial ball speed across a wider portion of the face, helping the player get consistent distances on most swings. In other words, TaylorMade is claiming that the smaller Speed Pocket makes the sweetspot bigger. Personally, I’d like a little more convincing of the physics behind this.

The removal of material to create the Speed Pocket helped TaylorMade move the clubhead’s CG lower and more forward, which is supposed to promote improved ball speed with a lower spin.

This is a new take on a common theme over the past decade. Most manufacturers have been removing weight from the crown and other parts of the clubhead and putting it low and back in the club. This weighting tended to make clubs (particularly drivers) higher launching and more stable. It also generally gave the club a more-forgiving quality, allowing somewhat off-center strikes to still fly reasonably straight with good distance.

Taylormade’s low-and-forward weighting puts more weight behind the ball at impact, like fairway woods were before all this moving around of weight began. In this case, however, the weight is low behind the face. It is pretty easy to imagine that this should result in a hotter launch, like hitting a baseball with a more solid bat. On the surface it would seem that the low weight should also launch the ball higher. I was very interested to find out what this weight shift would do to the launch angle, forgiveness, and overall distance of the club.

As for adjustability, the SLDR Fairways and Rescues lack the “slider” found in the driver that lets the golfer slide (go figure) a weight toward the toe or toward the heel depending on the shot shape they want to encourage or discourage. However, both clubs are equipped with the “Loft-Sleeve” (aka, adjustable hosel, I’m always entertained by the way TaylorMade names technology), which allows for loft changes of plus or minus 1.5 degrees.

Esthetics The glaring white and bold graphics of the R1 and RocketBallz are gone. The SLDR fairway and rescue, like the driver, are a more conservative (and pleasing to my eye) charcoal gray. The dark gray Fujikura Speeder shafts complement the clubhead, nicely. Though, I have rarely thought this recently about TaylorMade clubs, I think these look very sharp and all business.

TaylorMade has added just a single “item of flair,” a distinctive chrome accent on the back of the club, which makes the clubs easily recognizable on TV without sacrificing the more traditional appearance. The accent also serves as a secondary alignment cue. You can line up ball, alignment mark, and accent at address.

I would call the face color “bare steel.” TaylorMade calls it “titanium gray.” Either way, it contrasts nicely with the top of the clubhead and (again) aids alignment. Kudos to the TaylorMade designers (and marketers).

While there is quite a bit of technology showing on the underside of the clubhead, it’s still not as busy as some recent TaylorMade models have been. Naturally, none of this is visible at address so it would not bother me much if they’d painted flames on the bottom. A nice touch is that the Speed Pocket is now filled with a polymer that keeps the dirt out while leaving performance unaffected (the factory set weight and Loft-sleeve screw hole will still collect mud, however).

I got to test drive the 15-degree 3-wood in the non-TP version. At 155cc, its head is smaller than that of most 3-woods these days. To my eye, it does not look excessively small at address. In fact, it reminds me of the TaylorMade’s old 200 series, which were very good fairway woods, indeed.

I was very pleased to see that the size of the rescue clubhead is reduced from what we have typically seen in recent years. I don’t want my hybrids to approach the size of my fairway woods. Hybrids are made to play like irons, and the bloated versions tend to encourage players to swing them like drivers with an ascending strike, leading to topped shots and worse. Rescues, and even fairway woods, are best played with a slightly descending impact.

Playability and Feel: Fairway The most important aspect of any club is how it plays, and these play pretty darn well. The low-and-forward center of gravity seems to do what it is advertised to do. The ball jumps off the face of the fairway.

When you hit the center of the clubface, you do not have to guess about whether you made good contact. The fairway delivers a softer and stable feel with center hits, and the ball rockets off at higher trajectory than with near misses (popups not withstanding).

Off-center strikes are punished, but not too severely. Distance takes a slight hit (~10 yards) on near misses, more on truly bad contact, especially off the heel.

When I had the loft set at the standard 15 degrees, I found the club to be long, but a little obstinate. The launch was lower than the 3-wood I have been playing and carry distance suffered. This would not matter that much on firm courses, the roll out would make up for this, but on soft courses it would suffer. Off the tee and on the occasional ball that I hit really squarely, the SLDR was a long club… 5-10 yards longer than my usual 3-wood. But on most off-the-deck shots on less than firm fairway, it averaged several yards less. That was all due to the launch and carry distance.

A player with a faster swing speed (I’m typically around 105 mph with a driver) might generate a little more spin and lift to carry farther. This is one case where the low spin characteristics work against you.

But then I remembered the loft sleeve.

When I increased the loft by 1.5 degrees, the SLDR suddenly developed a better attitude. At 16.5 degree the SLDR was one amazingly long 4-wood. The ball flight was much improved, much more like my typical 3-wood flight, but I didn’t lose much distance at all.

The Fujikura Speeder is one stout shaft. I have enjoyed playing Speeders in the past, but this made-for-TaylorMade version does not have the firm smoothness that I recalled in the past. Happily, it did perform pretty well. Even though it seems to be stiffer than I’d expect, it did not promote an unwanted cut as an overly stiff shaft would. It is a quarter-inch longer than most 3-wood shafts play. You adjust pretty quickly to a quarter inch, but it will make it ever so slightly harder to hit the center of the clubface.

Playability and Feel: Rescue The SLDR Rescue produces a somewhat harsher, but still solid-feeling smack at impact. The club provides plenty of feedback to let you know when you have and haven’t hit it well. But the biggest indication of the quality of impact is ball flight. Better strikes fly higher, which is as we’ll see important with the SLDR Rescue.

Hybrids should be easier to hit than irons and more accurate than a fairway. I expect a measure of help from a hybrid, let alone a club called a “rescue.” Hybrids help you get the ball in the air and to carry it farther. That is their mission. At the same time there are game-improvement hybrids and better-player hybrids. The SLDR Rescue definitely fits in the latter category. Like a casual friend when you’re moving, when push comes to shove it may not be as much help as you’d hoped.

Off-center shots are penalized more with the rescue than with the Fairway. Near misses lose 10 yards or more, and if you really miss, well, you get what you deserve. While toe shots fare slightly better than those off the heel, both are firmly punished. The SLDR Rescue is not going to put lipstick on a pig for you, but good contact is rewarded well. Naturally, the higher lofted rescues will offer more forgiveness.

Contributing to mis-hits is TaylorMade’s insistence on lengthening the stock shaft length. The SLDR Rescue’s shaft is 0.75″ longer than most other hybrids of the same loft. Basic rules of physics say that the longer the shaft, the harder it is to put the clubface squarely on the ball.

Sure, when you hit it right, the rescue gives you added distance. I hit a few that approached 3-wood distance (and I hit some that were more like 8-iron distance, too). To a degree, you will adjust to the shaft length, but it permanently increases the degree of difficulty over a normal length shaft. Happily, shafts can be shortened.

Second, and just slightly less of an issue to me, is the ball flight. Even more so than the fairway, at its native loft the rescue tended to hit the ball lower than other clubs of the same loft. After I’d notched it up a degree and half using the Loft-Sleeve, I started to hit more hybrid-like ball flights. I found that with a SLDR, basically the higher I hit it the farther it flew.

That could be useful at times, but with that long shaft, making consistent contact (and hence achieving higher ball flight) is difficult. The difference between a well struck low ball flight and a pured high ball flight might mean hitting the front of a green and leaving an uphill putt or flying it all the way to the back fringe on medium-sized green.

Even when I made good contact and thus ball flight, I found that hitting the target with that long shaft fairly difficult. I was right or left, but seldom right on. It is simply much more difficult to be accurate with that long shaft. My “normal” length hybrid was more accurate.

While the shaft length negatively affected my consistency, I did pull off some shots that made me wonder about the club’s potential with a shorter shaft. In theory, that should make it more accurate. Best of all the shorter length should also make center contact easier to achieve, and the subsequent better contact might just result in distances closer to what you would get out of the longer shaft.

Specs The SLDR Fairway is available in 14 (“tour spoon”), 15 (3), 17 (3HL), 19 (5), and 21 (5HL) degree models with the Fujikura Speeder 77 in R, S, or X for $249.99. Your SLDR Fairway can be customized with the Speeder 57, the Matrix VeloxT 49, or VeloxT 69. Upgrading to the TP model will run you an extra $100 to upgrade to the Fujikura Motore Speeder TS 8.3 in R, S, or X. You also have the option to substitute from a much larger selection of other popular shafts, though an upcharge may apply. Either fairway can also be customized to the length you want. Unlike with past TP models, the only difference between the TP and regular SLDR is the shaft options.

The SLDR Rescue runs $219.99 and comes in 17 (#2), 19 (#3), 21 (#4), and 24 (#5) degree lofts with a Fujikura Speeder 82 in R, S, or X. Once again TaylorMade gives you the opportunity to choose a different shaft, many of which have an upcharge, from $8 for Dynamic Gold steel to $39 for Matrix Ozik Program 95. Shaft length can also be customized. Paying an additional $70 for the TP model gets you the same clubhead with a Fujikura Motore Speeder TS 9.3 in S or X, or your choice from among some eight other custom choices.

You can view the full specs for both the fairway and the rescue on the TaylorMade website .

Conclusion I have to admit that I’m a little conflicted over these clubs. There is definitely something to the low-forward CG. The ball launches like a rocket, and it can be worked in either direction reasonably easily. But I also think it makes the clubheads a little less forgiving than other similar clubs, particularly the hybrid.

While there are more forgiving sticks in your local golf shop, I don’t think that’s really what the SLDRs are about, anyway. These clubs are hotrods, better suited to a drag race than a grand prix circuit. The combination of the stiffer-than-most shafts with hot clubheads make the SLDRs seemingly beg to be hit hard. Try to resist the urge to swing out of your shoes, though. That rarely works out well.

Players with higher clubhead speed at impact may be better suited to these clubs as they should produce more spin and achieve a higher ball flight. For the rest of us, we need a higher launch to keep the ball in the air long enough for it to reach maximum distance for all other inputs (clubhead speed, contact quality, etc.). I found that when I took TaylorMade’s advice to loft up, I was much more consistent about getting the ball on a proper trajectory. Best of all, even at the higher loft settings, the clubs carried farther and reached nearly the same distance you’d expect from their “normal” lofts.

I particularly liked the fairway wood set at the +1.5 degree setting. It was still long but relatively easy to hit off tight lies or from the tee. Basically, it’s a super 4-wood. This one might stay in the bag awhile. If you are looking at the SLDR, it might be a good idea to consider at the next higher loft in the line. The Loft-Sleeve will keep your options open to lower it, or further raise it, if you need to.

I think that I would enjoy the SLDR Rescue far better less 0.75″ off the butt end of the shaft than as tested. While I hit some really nice looking shots with plenty of distance, I found it much harder to put on target than I do my own hybrid. Length was also inconsistent. As long as this club is, you could easily surrender a few yards and it would be as long or longer than other hybrids of the same loft. I do think there are more forgiving hybrids out there in the better-player category, but the low-forward CG gives the SLDR an extra pop that most of those lack.

You will see a lot of SLDRs on the PGA Tour this spring, in part because TaylorMade pays the players to put them in the bag, but also because in the right hands these clubs can do some wonderful things that friendlier clubs just cannot do.

2 thoughts on “TaylorMade SLDR Fairway and Rescue Review”

George – I currently carry the RBZ 3 wood and the RBX 3 hybrid. My next lower club is a R11 4 iron. If I wanted to add a SLDR wood, where would you recommend I make the addition? Would the 5 wood be a reasonable upgrade to my 3 hybrid?

eurosmitty: It’s difficult to guess how it would fit into your setup for sure. But the 5-wood would undoubtedly be longer than your hybrid, and probably a little less accurate (though people with a sweeping swing might do better with a wood). It depends on what your goal in upgrading would be. Do you need more distance out of the next longer club to your 4-iron or are you trying to replace the same distance? Or some other goal?

Your best bet would be to go to a pro shop or store where you can hit the SLDR alongside your clubs. That way, with your goal in mind, you can get a much better idea how well it will serve that purpose. Hope that helps.

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WRX Spotlight Review: TaylorMade M5 fairway Rocket 3

Product: TaylorMade M5 fairway  Rocket 3

Pitch: The TaylorMade M5 fairway Rocket 3 is a stronger-lofted version of the standard TaylorMade M5 3-wood. The Rocket is 14 degrees. The standard M5 is 15.

Our take on the TaylorMade M5 Rocket 3

“WOW, you really hit that 3-wood like a rocket!”

” Not like a rocket… an actual Rocket!”

The beloved 3-wood. A favorite club of both average golfers and pros alike, a club that many will hold onto well after what some might consider their “best before” date. But with new options and improved technology, these old faithfuls are getting the boot quicker for a lot of reasons including the ability to better dial in a fit and help minimizing misses.

Since making a club faster off the middle is becoming more and more difficult thanks to the limits set forth but the USGA, OEMs are changing the way we think about clubs and putting a greater focus on decreasing dispersion and optimizing misses. TaylorMade is doing this with TwistFace, which was originally introduced in drivers a generation ago, and has now been included in the M5 and M6 fairway woods.

I got to spend some time with the knowledgeable crew at TaylorMade Canada in their new indoor facility just north of Toronto (lets call it Kingdom North) In that time, we went through a driver fitting, and then to the new M5 fairway woods to try and replace one of my oldest faithfuls: a 14-degree SLDR Tour Spoon. To say I have a unique ability to elevate a fairway wood is something that even my fitter was a little surprised by. My numbers with my cranked down to 12 degree (measured) fairway off the deck were good but could be improved. I can hit it both ways (as much as a 6-handicap can actually claim that) but my trusted go-to shot is a slight fade with some heel bias contact because of my swing. I am willing to sacrifice some distance but usually hit it where I want.

What I saw at the end of the fitting was a club that produced longer shots along with a tighter dispersion without having to make or to try and make any changes to my swing. The final fit was a 14-degree “Rocket” M5 fairway set to 12 degrees. It beat out my SLDR by a total of nine yards, which is an increase of just over a total of three percent, including an additional six yards of carry.

To say I was honestly surprised would be an understatement. The SLDR TS is a club that the first time I hit it I went WHOA! Low spin, workable, looks exactly how I want that club to look (small and compact). You can see from the numbers below when it works it works.

Why does TwistFace work?

Let’s explain and get a little deep in the technology weeds for a second. Bulge and roll is not a new concept. In fact, it would be a lie to claim that all OEMs haven’t done something similar to this is the past or played with these two variables to help golfers hit better shots. Fact: Every OEM optimizes the bulge and roll on their clubs to increase speed and maximize performance. Tom Wishon actually had a line of woods at one point that went the other way had VERY limited roll from the top tine to the sole. With this design, more loft on the bottom of the head helped players who miss low or need help elevating the ball off the deck increase launch and spin. It worked. Cobra also has what it calls E9 technology to tweak bulge and roll to help maximize the speed and forgiveness of their woods. It also works.

What makes TaylorMade’s TwistFace different is that it is the most aggressive iteration of this bulge and roll tweaking yet, and by introducing it into the fairway woods and hybrids, it’s proving to be a winner — even for this now-proven wrong skeptic.

At the end of the day, the M5 Ti “Rocket” was a measurable improvement over my previous 3-wood. Now it would be disingenuous to say “if you aren’t using TwistFace in your fairway woods you’re not maximized,” but if you are someone that struggles with fairway wood dispersion and looking to find some extra distance for taking on par-5s, taking a look at the new M5 and M6 fairway woods as part of your next fitting should be very high on your list.

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Ryan Barath is a club-fitter & master club builder with more than 17 years of experience working with golfers of all skill levels, including PGA Tour players. He is the former Build Shop Manager & Social Media Coordinator for Modern Golf. He now works independently from his home shop and is a member of advisory panels to a select number of golf equipment manufacturers. You can find Ryan on Twitter and Instagram where he's always willing to chat golf, and share his passion for club building, course architecture and wedge grinding.

13 Comments

May 26, 2019 at 11:24 am

Im playing the Rocket version of the M6 and love it.

May 26, 2019 at 7:50 am

Are you still able to move the ball (as much as a 6 hcp can claim) both ways with the extra flexed face?

Walt Dillon Jr.

May 24, 2019 at 7:26 pm

The less expensive M6 15 degree worked better for me with noticeably fast ball speed and high flight

May 24, 2019 at 3:26 pm

Dude, so you don’t hit this club to hit greens, huh? This is your tee shot club because you suck at hitting the driver? According to your chart above you hit the M5 lower with lower spin and slight bit of increase in speed. And now you can’t hold the green with that club. So don’t be dumb. I would never switch to that. I need a 3w that I can hit high and into a green to hold it on that green. Not a fire ball that rolls out 30 yards when it hit the deck

May 25, 2019 at 6:09 am

Look closer at the numbers less then one degree change in launch, 200 rpm change in spin and if the difference between carry and total distance is indicative of roll, the m5 rocket is running out less/ stopping faster. Still may not fit what your looking for but just food for thought

May 25, 2019 at 6:11 am

And I didn’t even do my own math properly oops.

May 25, 2019 at 9:01 am

Great, that’s his need not yours. Don’t be stupid, different players want different things and I bet you land 3 woods on greens 4 or 5 times a YEAR if you do at all.

May 25, 2019 at 9:24 pm

But H has a point. You don’t.

Jul 24, 2019 at 12:17 am

To be fair, you don’t have to play it on 12 degree setting. Keep it on 14, or you can Jack it up to 16, but would probably just use a regular 15 degree head, or a m6. They launch higher.

May 24, 2019 at 2:29 pm

Uhhh boy, rocket’s, missiles, grenades, mortars, what’s next? Does it hit the ball in the direction where my swing competence sends it?

May 24, 2019 at 2:09 pm

I use this almost as a ‘2-wood’. Set at 12 degrees with a Tensei White shaft. It really is a rocket. On a firm fairway hitting the big slinging draw I can get out near a driver. Very reliable club.

May 24, 2019 at 2:01 pm

so a rocket and an original one? bit overkill?

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Mizuno ST190 whats the reviews like on these? especially the FW (spoon)

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I cant see myself switching Companys with the driver, M3 to M5, since I have quite a few TM shafts lol but I will try ST190 out once the snow is gone.

Just curious how everyone is finding the Fairway woods, I am thinking of ordering the spoon for its adjustability and the specs says it has a flatter lie.

Just like hear the feedback from Golf wrxers

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I cant see myself switching Companys with the driver, M3 to M5, since I have quite a few TM shafts lol but I will try ST190 out once the snow is gone.   Just curious how everyone is finding the Fairway woods, I am thinking of ordering the spoon for its adjustability and the specs says it has a flatter lie.   Just like hear the feedback from Golf wrxers

I'm curious also, and debating ordering it. Not sure yet, if I need the tour spoon as I basically never adjust a fairway wood, and the last few I've had were glued hosels. They were raving about the Mizuno fairway woods at the beginning of the TXG video for the epic flash fairway woods.

I believe TXG have a review of the fairway coming soon. The driver also performed extremely well in their test.

Would love to know if anyone here has the 190 yet.... My G400 is so good but holding the ST190 last week, it looks great down on the floor, they just didn't have a demo yet...

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I hit the ST190TS 9.5 and 10.5 head with great results today. The 10.5 with the Tensei Orange was best for me compared to my gamer M4. About as forgiving just so much better off the low face strikes in terms of distance and keeping spin proper.

I am going to hit it with my custom club builder with some premium shafts to see if am changing the head and shaft etc...

They didn’t have the 3metal or Tour Spoon to hit yet which is why I mainly went.

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What differences did you notice between the 9.5 and 10.5?

The 9.5 for my 107-108mph swing speed was a little low spin 1700-1880 revs and sub 100ft apex height ball flight. I like to see 120-125ft apex heights and 2300-2400 averages which were pretty spot on to the 10.5spec for me. Other than that they both look stunning and square at set up. The head weight seemed a little light for me but playing my M4 at 44.75” playing length caused me to add a Billy Bobs 10gram rear weight (vs the 3 gram stock weight) in the rear which brought the swing weight back to optimal for my feels.

I was also impressed with the sound on Srixon XV Tour balls, to be powerful but muted vs the high pitch sound of the ST180.

Did I say I loved the look...it’s just so pretty. I can see a Accra TZ6 65S in this thing shortly.

I really need to see the two 3 metals. Has anyone seen these and noticed any size, face, and footprint differences?

I hit the ST190TS 9.5 and 10.5 head with great results today. The 10.5 with the Tensei Orange was best for me compared to my gamer M4. About as forgiving just so much better off the low face strikes in terms of distance and keeping spin proper.   I am going to hit it with my custom club builder with some premium shafts to see if am changing the head and shaft etc...   They didn't have the 3metal or Tour Spoon to hit yet which is why I mainly went.

I do hope that lines up with the CG and MOI data for the ST190 as the M4 is pretty high MOI but also high CG. If the ST190 is similar but with a lower CG (which would explain the better performance on low strikes) then that is a pretty strong recipe there.

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The 9.5 for my 107-108mph swing speed was a little low spin 1700-1880 revs and sub 100ft apex height ball flight. I like to see 120-125ft apex heights and 2300-2400 averages which were pretty spot on to the 10.5spec for me. Other than that they both look stunning and square at set up. The head weight seemed a little light for me but playing my M4 at 44.75" playing length caused me to add a Billy Bobs 10gram rear weight (vs the 3 gram stock weight) in the rear which brought the swing weight back to optimal for my feels.

Did I say I loved the look...it's just so pretty. I can see a Accra TZ6 65S in this thing shortly.

I noticed very little difference in looks between the TS and regular version. Both heads appeared to be the same size, the TS might be just slightly deeper, but nothing extreme.

This is great to know. Thanks for sharing your observations. I cant wait to hit them

No problem. I've only seen them, but their were no demos to hit.

Just so I'm clear because I'm going through a similar situation, you played the 9.5 at 10.5, and the 10.5 at 10.5, and those spin differences were there?

Also, did you find one or the other to be more draw biased? I would guess the 10.5 would be.

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I hit both the ST190 and the 190G on Trackman.

Amazing feel - and solid numbers

Had 6 balls in a row with the Standard head above 171 BS - which I’ve never done

I was wondering about the size of the TS. I'm glad it wasn't me that thought they looked almost the same size, except for the adjustability.

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There are a few threads which already have a ton of information, I would suggest searching for them, but the ST190 is quite good.

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Just so I'm clear because I'm going through a similar situation, you played the 9.5 at 10.5, and the 10.5 at 10.5, and those spin differences were there?   Also, did you find one or the other to be more draw biased? I would guess the 10.5 would be.

Correct above.

To add, I did not notice any additional draw bias for the 10.5 vs the 9.5...just looked like more loft at address. Ball flights were my usual straight or baby push draws with all the tests and the occasional miss which is a quick lefty (always when I try to get yards, why cant I learn?)...working on it

Had a complete fitting with the ST190 driver and the 3TS today along with many other of the new driver heads and learned a lot. Thanks goes to Mark at Center Cut Custom Golf! You did amazing having the right start shafts and adjustments fitted as went along the day.

I wanted to add that the 3TS is a monster off a tee or the ground. Even low center strikes got me 1.49 smash and close to driver ball speeds. It looks so good.

Order is placed and really the shaft played a pretty big part in both heads getting them optimized. The two finalists were the Accra TZ6 and the Fujikura Speeder TR 661S for driver and the 757S for the 3TS. Chose the Speeder TR for its consistency and seemingly balanced effect on some of the push cuts I hit. My advice is no what you read or watch, each player has to do a fitting out doors on launch monitor to get the data and real ball flight feedback. It was great. Can't wait to complete the bag for 2019 now with these last two spots.

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Had a complete fitting with the ST190 driver and the 3TS today along with many other of the new driver heads and learned a lot. Thanks goes to Mark at Center Cut Custom Golf! You did amazing having the right start shafts and adjustments fitted as went along the day.   I wanted to add that the 3TS is a monster off a tee or the ground. Even low center strikes got me 1.49 smash and close to driver ball speeds. It looks so good.   Order is placed and really the shaft played a pretty big part in both heads getting them optimized. The two finalists were the Accra TZ6 and the Fujikura Speeder TR 661S for driver and the 757S for the 3TS. Chose the Speeder TR for its consistency and seemingly balanced effect on some of the push cuts I hit. My advice is no what you read or watch, each player has to do a fitting out doors on launch monitor to get the data and real ball flight feedback. It was great. Can't wait to complete the bag for 2019 now with these last two spots.

Now you only need to get yourself some of the Bettinardi/Mizzy co-designed putters from a couple of years ago.

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I had a fitting for both the driver and fairway yesterday. I mean this as a huge compliment so please don’t take it the wrong way... the ST190 is an updated, better sounding, better looking 2016 Taylormade M2. Maybe slightly more forgiving too. If you liked the OG M2, you will like the ST190. It’s a master of none, but does everything well above average. The flat setting really helped straighten my ball out.

I wanted to fall in love with the glued fairway but I got better results from the TS. The Mizuno rep did confirm that the TS head is slightly smaller than the glued version. Launch was a little low but I was getting plenty of carry. Once again, the flat setting was helpful to get the best fit setup.

On a side note, I hit the new Hot Metal Pro irons to warm up. Knights of Columbus! What a sneaky little iron. I couldn’t believe it. The standard deviation on my shots were probably the smallest they’ve ever been. These irons are going to have a cult following. The best way I can describe them is high spinning distance irons, which doesn’t even seem physically possible. I was hitting the 7 iron longer with more spin than my MP-18 MMC. Great job Mizuno.

Good to hear. So basically the Mizuno fairway woods in the ballspeed area are keeping up with any of the big boys now.

The fact we're talking about Mizuno and "woods" in the same breath is amazing. For a long time they were an afterthought. I made a COMPLETE bag change because of quality of the woods. They're definitely up there with the more established names now.

I had great success with mine. the shaft didn't end up working out for me. perfectly gamable but slightly too spinny for me. but I can say with 100% confidence that these heads are at the least as fast as anything else on the market. beautiful to look at as well

Just brand ocd?

Mizuno irons wedges should hold spots in a bag regardless of their past mediocre woods

It is just this year it appears they have something that performs, and on top of that it looks better than any the other woods out there.

Yeah, or a putter from the TP Mills/Mizuno Workshop line. I have the #1, its a beauty.

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These look spectacular after some research. Going to be hard to get the SeeMore custom out of the bag. Its just money for me but always open to trying. Back to the OP I think that from my testing session and other sim tests, the ST190TS (I didn't test the glued), looks best, sounds best, and performs with anything, if not better when fit like anything. I am really happy that the top of my bag is Mizzy once again. You cant go wrong with this TS.

After hitting it a bunch more, I can definitively say that the standard ST190 feels way better than the G. The G feels more solid, almost firm, but the ST190 reminded me of the good old 910 D3 days. Best of luck to whoever chooses to game them, finally Mizuno is keeping up....

That was the surprise for me, because the initial online reviews had me salivating for the G, but it was the standard 190 which was the real performer.

Same feelings here.

Got to hit the 3 wood and loved how easy it was to get up. Sound and feel was great. It felt really solid.

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