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By wolfpack December 12, 2012 in Equipment

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My main playing partner has had and plays with a set of Gunmetal Ta5's since they were new.. They look brand new and he won't let anyone touch them. I got to hit em the other day and was really impressed how they framed the ball and the feeling at impact. They were basically point and shoot, even with the 5-4-3. They are shafted with the sensicore stiff shafts and he still has the original grips, not sure how they have lasted but everything feels nice and fresh.

These don't get brought up when people are asking about older irons that are "super duper", but I can't imagine why. Do these still have any kind of loyal following? Anyone have fond memories?

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Bought the non-gunmetal TA5s in 2001 and played them for 5 seasons. Wide soles, low profile and ample offset allowed me to greatly improve my ballstriking. Moved on to the TA7s with DG shafts, sold my buddy the TA5s and he still plays them. Really easy to hit is an understatement.

• 3 weeks later...

Fantastic irons. Simple clean and easy to hit. Felt great for a cast club too.

Won a set of satin ta5's on Men's night, and went on to break 80 3 times with them. Then decided I needed players irons, played various brands and never broke 80 with any of them. Years later, I bought another set of ta5's, this time in gunmetal and broke 80 again. Go figger

I have the regular ta 5's. They are in my all cleveland bag and get used at the range once and a while, they're really nice clubs, mine have all original grips and sensicore shafts as well with all the labels nice and in tact.

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Cleveland had/has a winning game improvement club formula that started with TA5 & 7, then CG7/Red, and now CG16. Lots of variants in between too. I'd really like to get some CG16's but the stinkin lofts are crazy strong. Just got used to my G20's, which are strong themselves, but the Cleveland's are even stronger. Anyone know how much bounce these clubs have? Maybe I could bend them weaker?

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I am getting a serious Ho itch to pick up a set of these for the new year.

My best golf buddy's played gun metal TA5s forever and he's Mr. Automatic with them. As for me, I'm thick and never got the hint!

My first set of 'real' irons. I got a set from my parents for Christmas 2003 (I was in the 7th grade). Real solid set of clubs, though stock lofts were really strong from what I remember (pitching wedge @ 45º). Eventually my game developed past the stock, regular flex shafts, and I moved into the player's cavity family of irons as my game progressed. I did break 100, 90, and 80 for the first time with those clubs though. Good times.

• 1 month later...

Still gaming gunmetal TA5s with stock sensicore release shafts. Been in and out of the bag since 2001, but mostly 'in'. Here's some pics of mine... http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/750155-my-updated-bag-g15-speedline-lp-a7-ta5-gunmetal-cg14-ody-xg-1/

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[quote name='brew4eagle' timestamp='1360111449' post='6369717'] Still gaming gunmetal TA5s with stock sensicore release shafts. Been in and out of the bag since 2001, but mostly 'in'. [/quote] How do those shafts play to flex? Ball flight?

I have them in stiff. They're fairly light and ball flight is high. I'd call them somewhat soft for a "stiff". Love them!

The TA5's were some of the best (and most underratted) game improvement irons ever made. Fairly compact (by today's standard), but extremely forgiving. I think the TA7's sold better, but I think the TA5's were there best GI effort of all time. A few years ago Cleveland released a gunmetal TA7 discount set. I really wish they would have released the old TA5's instead.

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How funny coming upon this thread. I bought a used set of TA5s yesterday at Golfsmith yesterday - $81. Played today and shot 78 with them, my usual scoring range. They felt good. My regular sets are S59s and 99 Hogan Apex . I had sold my Ping Eye 2s...and missed them. I thought the TA5s had a similar design but are more attractive to my eye. Great purchase. Always nice to have a forgivng set lying around. I'll stick with them for awhile and see if it affects my scoring. Bill in Raleigh NC

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[quote name='BMC' timestamp='1360191215' post='6375967'] How funny coming upon this thread. I bought a used set of TA5s yesterday at Golfsmith yesterday - $81. Played today and shot 78 with them, my usual scoring range. They felt good. My regular sets are S59s and 99 Hogan Apex . I had sold my Ping Eye 2s...and missed them. I thought the TA5s had a similar design but are more attractive to my eye. Great purchase. Always nice to have a forgivng set lying around. I'll stick with them for awhile and see if it affects my scoring. Bill in Raleigh NC [/quote] I'm an Eye 2 guy as well, and just like you noticed the similarities. I like the TA5 low profile and rounded toe, but the cavity shape is very close to the Ping.

^^ That's funny you mention Eye 2s - I was thinking of picking up a set and the more I looked at them on eBay, the more they reminded me of my old TA5s! I play a set of TA7 irons w/DGR300 SL that launch too low for my swing. Might pick up the TA5 w/ a higher launching shaft.

I've played a set of gunmetal ta5's for the past 6 seasons since picking them up on eBay. I've tried to replace them each spring with a new or somewhat new iron set but always end up back with the ta 5's by June

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Ta5 Gunmetals with Graphite stock shafts were my first new club purchase back in 2001. I was recovering from a bone graft in my wrist and the Flight Surgeon recommended graphite to begin early play..... I hated the shafts but loved the looks. I switched to TA 7s midway through that summer with Sensicores and gamed them all the way through 2006.

• 2 weeks later...

Dumbest thing I every did was thinking I needed "new" irons. I had the newer version of the TA-5s (with the silver medallion). Bought them used in 2005 off Ebay for an awesome price and gamed them all the way until last year (with periods in between of trying to play forged TA-3s). I miss these every time I go play. Distance was great, they were forgiving, you could work the ball just enough if you really wanted to. Hell I played the stock grips on them the entire time I had them! Would clean them with some Comet once in a while, but they never wore out. On top of that, I loved the look from address, the cavity, everything. They were clean and understated and just did what they were supposed to do. Just sold Taylormade R9s that I bought to replace the TA-5s and looking to pick up some CG7s to hopefully recreate the magic. (BTW - this story of selling a club because I got an itch and regretting it can pretty much apply to every club in my bag)

I recently picked up some CG7 Black Pearl heads off a guy in BST, and threw in some Rifle 6.0 shafts. The blade profile (offset and length) is about half way between a Ping G and i series club, my normal gamers. Really nice clubs in my opinion. I'd categorize them as players-GI clubs. Lofts are not as crazy strong (like the CG16's), and lengths are conventional as well. It's getting hard to find clubs like this now a days. They offer more feedback than G25's, and aren't as shovely. It's kind of bad timing for these clubs though considering how much money I dumped on the new G's (going to stick with them).

Really hard to beat Cleveland's TA series of that vintage. I am still gaming my TA2s, going on 10 years I think!

TA-6's were every bit as good as the TA-5's too. The 6's were my first set of quality irons, a buddy had the 5's, and both were just all around great clubs. I don't think anyone could mishit them. I have moved on since I have improved but they will always have a soft spot with me.

• 5 months later...

I bought a set of TA5's about 10 years ago, played them for several years, and then went to Ping G10's. After a couple of years, I went back to my TA5's; [b]I just sold my Ping G10's. [/b] I even have a back up set of mint TA5's, "just in case." The TA5's are forgiving, look great at address, and feel really solid on good strikes. At 78 years old, I play sensicore release shafts.

Great looking irons. I had the regular stainless one's. The gunmetals are much nicer looking.

TA-5 Gunmetals were the first set of clubs ever hit. They belonged to a friend of mine and they felt soft, good distance and extremely forgiving. When I eventually started playing too and bought my own set, I got TA-7 Tours. Although the TA-7 Tours were great clubs and served me well, they never did feel as soft and as forgiving as the TA-5 Gunmetals... but I attributed this to my inconsistent beginner's swing. Now that I'm starting to get back into golf after a long time away and now that the kids are older, I just picked up a set of Ping G25 as they sorta remind me of the TA-5 with it's dark finish.

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I played a set with the copper colored inlay in it non sensicore shafts in stiff they played weak to flex but they smoothed me out nice high automatic ball flight I played them for 2 years got my hdcp down to a 3 played a entire Cleveland bag actually had the launcher 330 and fairway and a launcher iron rescue 21 degree Cleveland form forged wedges and a designed by form forged putter. I still have the launcher launch iron in the garage lol. now got me thinking maybe find a set of T.A. 5's for back ups great irons

I had a set of these for a moment years ago when I had some health issues. I loved these irons! After I healed up the regular shaft was too soft for me so I sold them. Fantastic point and shoot irons if the flex works for you.

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Had a set of the normal ones around the turn of the century and loved them. Mine were the old type with the orange insert. Great sticks, were forgiving even by todays standards, short irons were really strong and went miles. Had to buy a 588 49 degree to use as a 2nd gap wedge! My brother had the TA7 after that and i thought the TA 5 were marginally the better of the 2. Seemed more compact and more forgiving.

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Had a lefty set back in 2000 and loved them. When I switched to righty in 2002 I got a set of TA3 gun metals. Played those until just last year when I switched to AP1's. I missed the TA3's so they are back in the bag now. TA gunmetals from Cleveland are still great clubs, I hope to play mine as long as possible.

• 4 years later...

I know this is an old thread but I might as well ask the question here.

What shafts would be good options to put in these iron heads? I got a set with stock regular steel, and I am looking to get some STIFF steel shafts in them.

Are S300s preferred? I see a lot of people talking about Sensicore.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Cleveland Tour Action Irons Review – Still Good And Forgiving For High Handicappers?

“The Cleveland Tour Action irons were made to resemble blades but provide the forgiveness of cavity back irons.”

There were a few different iterations of the Cleveland Tour Action irons but for this review, I tested the Cleveland Tour Action 7 irons. This is the latest, and some would argue, greatest version of the Tour Action irons.

With these irons, Cleveland was really trying to bridge the gap between game improvement and players performance. Did they succeed? Are the Cleveland Tour Action irons any good for high handicappers? Read on to find out.

Are Cleveland Tour Action Irons Still Good?

“The Cleveland Tour Action irons have a very unique feature that I don’t think I’ve seen in any other irons.”

At least, not in any irons I can remember. The feature I’m talking about is the “Micro Cavity.” There are about five little chambers bored into the back of the topline. The purpose of these tiny chambers is to lighten the top portion of the head so that the center of gravity is shifted downward.

This design also helps to move more weight to the perimeter of the head where it can provide more forgiveness. The Cleveland Tour Action irons also feature the Vibration Absorption Technology that Cleveland actually patented.

The Cleveland Tour Action irons are cavity backs with progressive offset. At address, you can see the cavity undercut jut out a bit behind the relatively thin top line. You’re not going to be fooled into thinking you’re playing blades but they do have a clean look for cavity backs.

The Cleveland Tour Action irons also have a healthy face depth. There is enough real estate up and down the face to eliminate your thin shots. However, I did have some issues with digging.

Overall though, the Cleveland Tour Action irons have a light, wieldy feel. I found myself falling into a groove with them relatively quickly.

Are the Cleveland Tour Action Irons Forgiving for High Handicappers?

“The best thing about the Cleveland Tour Action irons for high handicappers is that they have a big sweet spot.”

After just a few swings, I found the rhythm of these irons and was able to hit the expansive sweet spot consistently. The offset is generous in the long irons which didn’t look great to me; but it did provide excellent forgiveness.

The combination of the pronounced offset and the large sweet spot made the long irons in this set very easy to manage. And the long irons are notorious for giving neophyte players trouble so I would say that these irons are forgiving for high handicappers.

The large cavity back design helps to push mass towards the perimeter of the head. This stabilizes much of your common mis-hits.

The distance I was getting from these irons was a bit above average. With the 7-iron, I was averaging 158.7 yards. The dispersion was also reasonably tight when I stayed within the scoring lines.

And while the sweet spot is wide and hard to miss, if you do manage to miss it, don’t expect much forgiveness. On shots that missed the sweet spot, my ball was picking up a ton of spin and losing a lot of speed. As a result, my divergence widened and my carry distance dropped.

Cleveland Tour Action Vs Cleveland Launcher XL Halo Irons

“The Cleveland Launcher XL Halo’s are hybrid irons with a hollow body design.”

The Cleveland Launcher XL Halo irons also come stock with counterbalanced shafts. The Launcher XL Halo irons are extremely forgiving but they offer no workability. Also, if you aren’t used to counterbalanced shafts, they may feel weird to you. I would only recommend the Cleveland Launcher XL Halo irons to pure beginners.

Cleveland Tour Action First Impressions

“I liked the fact that the Cleveland Tour Action irons did in fact offer a moderate degree of workability in a forgiving iron.”

They don’t really look like blades which is something I was expecting and hoping for. But I was able to work the ball left and right to a moderate degree. They aren’t massive irons. Instead, they have a moderate head size which strikes a really good balance between forgiveness and versatility.

Cleveland Tour Action Selling Points

• Micro cavities
• Progressive offset
• Good face depth
• Vibration absorption system
• Large sweet spot

Cleveland Tour Action Key Technology

Vibration absorption system.

The VAS is designed to smooth out those harsh vibrations when you miss the sweet spot. I had no problem with the feel of these irons. They felt smooth and consistent all across the face.

Micro Cavities

The small cavities bored behind the top line work to redistribute weight low in the club head. They also appear to be filled with some sort of polymer or urethane which may contribute to the smooth feel.

Deep Face Profile

The deep face profile makes it much more difficult to hit the ball thin. For me though, the same feature was causing me to dig more than usual on the fairway.

Cleveland Tour Action Loft & Lie

Who should buy the cleveland tour action irons.

“This was a tricky one to decide.”

First of all, I would say that Cleveland did in fact do a good job of making an iron that was at once forgiving and workable. The Cleveland Tour Action irons are inherently forgiving and it takes extreme mis-hits to affect their accuracy.

They can be point-and-shoot irons, and for more skilled players, they can be worked side-to-side a bit. So in the end, I suppose these irons would work for high and mid handicappers. Pretty much anyone in the 12-24 handicap range.

Distance: 96/100

Forgiveness: 96/100, workability: 96/100, overall performance: 96/100, value: 97/100.

Overall Score: 96/100

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Cleveland tour action irons review: your ultimate guide to choosing the right irons for your tour [updated apr 2024].

Are you on the lookout for the best golf irons to improve your gameplay on the course? Look no further than the Cleveland Tour Action Irons . These irons are specifically designed for tour-level golfers and are engineered to maximize your performance.

In this article, we’re going to take a closer look at the Cleveland Tour Action Irons and review their features, pros and cons, and overall value. By the end of this guide, you’ll have all the information you need to make an informed decision on whether these irons are right for you.

Introduction to the Cleveland Tour Action Irons

The Cleveland Tour Action Irons are a set of golf irons that are specifically designed for tour-level golfers. These irons are engineered to provide the ultimate combination of distance, accuracy, and consistency on the golf course. They are also designed with a thin topline and a narrow sole for maximum control over your shots.

Key Features of the Cleveland Tour Action Irons

The Cleveland Tour Action Irons come with a range of features that make them one of the most popular sets of irons among tour-level golfers. Here are some of the key features that you can expect from these irons:

1. Precision Milled Grooves

The Cleveland Tour Action Irons come with precision-milled grooves that are designed to maximize your spin rates and control on the golf course. These grooves are designed to be both wider and deeper than traditional grooves, which helps to maximize your contact with the ball and improve your overall consistency.

2. Forged Construction

The Cleveland Tour Action Irons are forged from high-quality steel, which makes them one of the most durable sets of golf irons on the market. Forging is a process that involves heating the metal and then pressing it into shape, which helps to create a denser and stronger clubhead.

3. Low Center of Gravity

The Cleveland Tour Action Irons have a low center of gravity, which helps to improve your launch angles and shot height. This feature is especially useful for golfers who struggle with getting the ball in the air or who are looking for more distance on their shots.

Pros and Cons of the Cleveland Tour Action Irons

Like any golf club, the Cleveland Tour Action Irons come with both pros and cons. Here are a few of the most notable pros and cons to consider before making your purchase:

• The Cleveland Tour Action Irons are designed with tour-level golfers in mind, so you can expect a high level of performance and quality.
• The precision-milled grooves help to increase your spin and control on the golf course, which can help to improve your overall game.
• The forged construction of these irons makes them one of the most durable sets of golf irons on the market.
• The Cleveland Tour Action Irons are not a great fit for beginner or intermediate golfers, as they are designed for tour-level players only.
• These irons are on the pricier side compared to other sets of golf irons, so they may not be the best choice for golfers on a budget.

Overall Value of the Cleveland Tour Action Irons

If you’re a tour-level golfer looking for a set of irons that can help you take your game to the next level, the Cleveland Tour Action Irons are definitely worth considering. These irons come with a range of features that make them one of the best sets of irons on the market, and they are designed to provide the ultimate combination of distance, accuracy, and consistency on the golf course.

While they may be on the pricier side compared to other sets of irons, the Cleveland Tour Action Irons are a worthwhile investment for serious golfers who want to take their skills to the next level.

In conclusion, the Cleveland Tour Action Irons are one of the best sets of irons on the market for tour-level golfers. They are packed with features that make them one of the most popular sets of irons among serious golfers, and they are designed to provide the ultimate combination of distance, accuracy, and consistency on the golf course.

If you’re looking for a set of irons that can help you improve your gameplay and take your skills to the next level, the Cleveland Tour Action Irons are definitely worth checking out. So what are you waiting for? Upgrade your golf game today with the Cleveland Tour Action Irons!

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Cleveland ta5 irons , user reviews.

Bought these as first set, based on reviews read here. The clubs feel great to hit with and are helping me to become a very consistent striker of the ball. The only disadvantage I do find with these clubs is the lack of playability which in time I know I will want in the future. These clubs are great to get you from a 28, down to a mid-teen handicap. I have had to change to Ping Orange grips which I would recommend to anyone with larger hands. Agree with many reviewers on the need for a gap wedge (eg 49/51 degrees) to play those short approaches to the green. Overall a great buy, which I would recommend to anyone on the lookout for a set of clubs with great feel, forgiveness, and a price to match.

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Incredible clubs, great soft feel and long and straight shots. I've noticed a tendency to draw when hitting the long irons. The PW is 45°, too long (about 120 yards for me) so you'll probably need another PW or a GW. I bought a Cleveland 588 49° PW that fits prefectly with my Cleveland 588 54° SW. Some reviews complain about the grips but they work fine for me. They're helping me to lower my scores. I've had them for about a month and they're saving me 5 to 10 strokes per round. They're worth what I paid and even more. Try them and buy them.

After several years with a failing heart, I finally got a heart transplant and am now back to playing Golf. I had a set of Big Bertha clones and hit them pretty well. But being left handed, not a lot of choices are available in stock clubs. So when the Cleveland Tour Van came to town I decided to get some custom made irons. I fell in love with the Cleveland TA5 irons and with the senior flex graphite shafts I seem to hit more solidly and can fly the ball down the middle of the fairway better than with any other club I have ever owned.I also got a couple of wedges along with the 3-PW and all made to my measurements. At least now I can't blame by equipment!

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Old Wilson Staff FG-17 irons, Big Bertha Clones

Finally accepted the fact that with a 10 and 8 year old, I would not be getting to the course as much as I would like. Moved the time-tested Tommy Armour 845s to the closet and visited the Cleveland Tour Van. Fitted for TA7 and TA5 at 2 degrees up and 1/2 inch long. Liked the look of the TA7 a little better but could not tell the difference between the two when hitting. At $399 v. $549, the TA5 won the match. The sensicore shafts really help with less than perfect contact. After three rounds, I have never hit my 3-6 irons as consistently straight and high. Gained maybe 1/2 club in distance, but that was not the true objective - forgiveness and distance control was and is. These clubs are not meant to finesse the ball left or right but as a solid 13 handicap, a predictably straight and high ball flight is better than blade-type feedback (loss of yardage) and control (draws to hooks and fades to slices). Very satisfied. It's a silly game, make it as enjoyable as possible.

Great - the tour van upgraded the grips to GP tour wraps at no charge.

TA 845s - great clubs for ten years. I won't sell them but do enjoy today's technology.

Perfect irons. When I first started golfing, I played with some 30+ year old blades. Then I moved up to some 10+ year old cavity backed irons, but now I have the iron for me. These things are amazing. Even on mis-hits they will still launch the ball great distances. They should have named these clubs Launcher. The clubs look good, feel great, and perform perfectly. I don't have any problems with the grips though, I guess I'm just different. Thank you Cleveland for these great irons!!!!

No problems so far.

None can compare!

All I can Say is Wow! I had a GoldenBear set before I picking up these TA-5's and wow what a difference. I was shooting way over a 100 everytime I went out. My drives would carry me well over 285yards but that was it. My irons were killing me. I did some research and because of forums like this I found out about the TA series from Cleveland. Now I can hit 120+yards with my new pitching wedge before I would have to use a 9/8 iron. The vibration system is a great help along with the new shaft. Most people comlain about the big hard grips but my hands are a little bigger than normal and I love how the grip feels. Solid is the perfect word for these clubs. My dad hit my 7 iron once and he wanted to trade clubs with me(he owns Callaway's x-16 irons) Why pay twice what the other big name brands cost when you can get something better for half the price. Cleveland Rules!!!!!!!!

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I have been playing a limited amount of golf for just over five years. I had been playing with some very old (40+ years) Robert Jones, Jr. blades made by Spaulding. The clubs were my father's clubs and his father's clubs before that. I recently decided to buy a moderately priced set of irons so that I could find more consistency in my game. I have been very happy with the consistent trajectory of the Cleveland TA-5 irons. I hit the sweet spot very easily with these clubs. I have hit several thin or fat shots that still travelled over 80% of the normal distance. With my old blades, I would only get 25% of my regular distance. Even with my relative lack of golf experience, I still get feedback from the TA-5's. I can tell when I mis-hit a ball although I no longer get a painful shockwave up my forearms. These clubs have increased my distance and my accuracy with no effort on my part. I would highly recommend these irons as an entry level set.

I finally did it. I decided to purchase a set of clubs that were worth having. I told myself that I had to prove I would golf enough to justify a new set. Well, I have hit the course over 20 times this summer so that convinced me. I was totally amazed at the feel and forgiveness of these clubs. I typically have a problem of hitting off the toe of the club and my previous clubs let me know it every time. With these TA5's I have shot more consistantly that I have ever did with my previous clubs. I actually logged my best round with only my second time out using the TA5's. The distance takes some getting use to as well, what used to be 4/5 iron is now an easy 6. The only negitive side (if there is one) are the grips. I had Winn grips on my old clubs and loved them. So that would be the only think I would change. These clubs are perfect for a dedicated golfer looking to low his handicap and not dump 6 to 10 bills on the Callaways or Taylor Made irons.

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I purchased these clubs last year as a college graduation gift. Played a little in 2002, but took lessons over the off-season and wow. These clubs are very forgiving, and the sensicore shafts provide a lot of feel in the swing. The grips could use a lot of help. They feel very stiff, almost like concrete. I liked the irons so much that when I looked for wedges, I took to the Tour-Action 900 series wedges and these are also very good. Swung the Launcher 3 and 5 woods yesterday for the first time, and I was hitting them farther than my Nike 400 driver! Thanks Cleveland for making such great clubs! Keep up the good work!

I demo'd Callaway X14's, Adams GT, Cleveland TA7's, Wilson Fat Shaft, and Hogan Apex PLus. I'm probably forgetting a couple models but the point is I spent alot of time making my decision. All of the above irons played decently. In the end however, the TA7's and TA5's both had a crisper feel at impact (probably the sensicore shafts) and had the best sweetspots. There is just a really satisfying feeling when you nail the sweetspot, it is so smooth. The Apex plus had the best feel but the Clevelands were right behind in 2nd. I'm not overly worried about distance but these clubs hit the farthest, tied with the Callaway's. If you hit them severely toe or heel the ball loses 20-30 yards but will simply push off line a little. You don't get the nasty feedback normally associated with such a mis-hit. Simply put, compared to the other clubs tested, for a high-handicapper like me, the TA7's and TA5's were the extremely predictable, smooth, good feel and long. I bought the TA5's because I saw little or no difference between them and the TA7's. So why pay the extra $? I've had the TA5's a year now and can honestly say I love them. I'm constantly looking and trying new drivers and wedges but my TA5's are set.

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Should I get the Cleveland TA5 irons for approximately 75 dollars?

By Rodoalo , June 23, 2019 in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting

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I have a Titleist Tour Model iron set which is really unforgiving to play since I am a beginner.

I thought of buying a set of Cleveland TA5 at 75 dollars shipped to Uruguay. Since I am on a budget (dollar is expensive for us), I wanna make sure I am making a good buy. The seller is GlobalGolf and I want to make sure everything could go well with them. My fear is receiving something which doesn't suits me. I'm 5'8", therefore, I'd be going for a standard set of irons. 

I really liked this set and a lot of golfers on the internet recommended them to me since they say they're one of the most forgiving irons on the range of prices.

What do you think? Should I make the investment?

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2 minutes ago, Rodoalo said: really unforgiving

This is vastly overrated.  It's you, not the arrow, sorry to say.  Save the $75 and get lessons since you already have clubs.  No since in buying another set of irons when you're still a beginner.  Those Titleist's are good clubs.

9 minutes ago, ncates00 said: This is vastly overrated.  It's you, not the arrow, sorry to say.  Save the $75 and get lessons since you already have clubs.  No since in buying another set of irons when you're still a beginner.  Those Titleist's are good clubs.

I was thinking that also!

But you sometimes get confused when your teacher, says to you is that your irons are old and that won't be useful for anything and that you should change them. 

They told me they're crap, basically. 

I tend to believe they aren't impossible. They exist, somebody used them.

Old doesn't mean crap.  They're certainly better clubs out there, but unless they're really, really terrible, I'd keep them for a while and learn the game.  Then go out and get some proper clubs.  

4 minutes ago, Rodoalo said: your teacher, says to you is that your irons are old and that won't be useful for anything and that you should change them

Further, I'd be concerned if my teacher was more worried about my clubs than instructing me on how to play golf.  His teaching, if valid, should work regardless of how old my clubs are.  

29 minutes ago, ncates00 said: Old doesn't mean crap.  They're certainly better clubs out there, but unless they're really, really terrible, I'd keep them for a while and learn the game.  Then go out and get some proper clubs.   Further, I'd be concerned if my teacher was more worried about my clubs than instructing me on how to play golf.  His teaching, if valid, should work regardless of how old my clubs are.  

Sure. There are a lot of more forgiving clubs But they're Titleist blades! They are good!

I will change the grip of them surely because they're really hard and old. That will improve their playability surely!

I also have on my set a Cobra SS-I 8 iron and a Taylormade RAC 9 iron, plus a Wilson SW and a Triumph PW, really forgiving. 

If you do decide to buy the TA5's, they are very forgiving in the Ultra Game Improvement class , bested only by the TA6 and then the (original model) Launcher. I have and have played the TA5s and the TA6s. Pay attention to your swing speed though and get the proper weight and flex shaft. Good luck on your adventure! Best, -Marv

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1 hour ago, Piz said: @Rodoalo   Do you play guitar?

Yes I do, why?

5 hours ago, Rodoalo said: Yes I do, why?

Guitars and golf clubs are similar in one respect:  there is no direct correlation between expense and utility.  What really matters is your opinion...based on your experience and skill.  The more skill you have...the more discerning you can be.

75 dollars is a small price to pay for a decent set of irons.  Go for it or stick with what you have.  Either way your likes, and dislikes, are going to evolve...along with your game.

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1 hour ago, Piz said: Guitars and golf clubs are similar in one respect:  there is no direct correlation between expense and utility.  What really matters is your opinion...based on your experience and skill.  The more skill you have...the more discerning you can be. 75 dollars is a small price to pay for a decent set of irons.  Go for it or stick with what you have.  Either way your likes, and dislikes, are going to evolve...along with your game.

Very good analogy.

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2 hours ago, Piz said: Guitars and golf clubs are similar in one respect:  there is no direct correlation between expense and utility.  What really matters is your opinion...based on your experience and skill.  The more skill you have...the more discerning you can be. 75 dollars is a small price to pay for a decent set of irons.  Go for it or stick with what you have.  Either way your likes, and dislikes, are going to evolve...along with your game.

1 hour ago, boogielicious said: Very good analogy.

Thank you all for your comments!

I will be getting maybe a set of Ping I3 irons which I got for 25 dollars. They're red dot... I was fitted green by the chart, but for the price, I could get the red.

In case I do not feel well with them, they offered me some old Wilson irons, cavity back and oversize which are really forgiving (the old Wilson Ultra TC clubs) for 20 dollars also with driver, woods and putter.

I do not want to give away my Titleist Tour Models. I feel like someday I will manage to hit them! I have already hit some decent shots with them (one of them straight!).

What I hate about golf is that sometimes they want to sell you all the time new equipment and you start to lose your notion on what matters that is you going out and playing and practicing. 

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Review of The Cleveland Golf Tour Action Box Set

The Cleveland Tour Action Box set is a complete set of starter clubs including a 460cc titanium driver (forged), with seven oversize irons (5-iron through sand wedge), an oversize fairway wood and a hybrid utility ironwood. The set also includes a blade-style putter and nylon-padded Cleveland Golf stand bag. Clubheads are made of stainless steel with the irons available fitted with steel or graphite shafts. Woods have graphite shafts, while clubs contain soft Cleveland rubber grips.

The Cleveland Tour Action Box Set contains some snappy clubs. Each has mid-to-high launch angles and gets the ball up nicely. Clubs are well-built and durable. The irons are comfortable; the woods, especially the ironwood, are capable of straight shots and can be extremely forgiving. The putter is easy to line up and produces true rolls with minimal skids, while Cleveland bag is attractive and functional.

What some might feel is lacking are more durable shafts in the driver and fairway wood. While the irons are good-to-excellent performers for the recreational player, woods have the tendency of producing sprayed shots, especially if a player gains confidence out of the gate.

Bottom Line

The Cleveland Tour Action Box Set can make for the perfect starter set for any beginner. Irons are forgiving and the woods are dependable under controlled playing conditions with slower swings. Depending on the retailer, the outfit is being sold for between $500 and $600 per set (2009 pricing).

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Cleveland Irons by Year: 30+ Years of Underrated History

When thinking about Cleveland, one of the words that come to mind is underrated.

The brand has produced some seriously good clubs in years gone by, yet it has rarely been referred to as one of the top club-makers like TaylorMade or Titleist.

It was founded by Roger Cleveland in 1979 as Cleveland Classics. However, many of the original products sold were replica clubs from the 1940s and 50s.

Wedges helped to make Cleveland’s name though and the 588 wedges became renowned in the world of golf.

In 1990, Skis Rossignol, a ski equipment manufacturer, purchased the company, changed the name to Cleveland Golf, and introduced woods and irons.

More recently, Cleveland Golf has explored a transition from players’ irons to game improvement. So, let’s take a look at how that came to be with each of the Cleveland irons by year.

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Will there be new cleveland irons in 2024, cleveland irons from the 2000s, cleveland irons from the 2010s, cleveland irons from the 2020s, understanding the evolution of cleveland irons over the years, be mindful of your handicap, don’t go over budget, they need to look the part in your eyes, final thoughts, when did cleveland stop making irons, do any pros use cleveland irons, when did the cleveland rtx 4 come out.

We took a trip down memory lane and into the Cleveland archive to find a full list of all of its irons including Cleveland Tour Action irons and its year made:

Read more: The Best Golf Irons This Year

Cleveland Golf is releasing wedges in 2024. The RTX 6 ZipCore Wedge were released early in 2024 and builds on the popular ZipCore Wedges offering plenty of bite and spin.

Cleveland Golf is also releasing CBX Full-Face 2 wedges with forgiving soles that will reduce chunky shots and help mid to high handicappers.

Top Cleveland Irons Over the Years

Launcher Irons

The original Launcher irons date back to 2004. The forgiving irons came with great amounts of stability and a low and deep center of gravity.

Hi Bore Irons

In 2009, the Hi Bore XLI irons were released following on from a couple of irons before that. The irons offer more distance, forgiveness, and consistency too. They were hybrid irons with a fully hollow construction for a solid feel.

Launcher CBX Irons

2017 saw the launch of the Launcher CBX version. A cavity back and the Launcher cup face aid distance and wedge spin technology provides control of the shots too.

588 Forged CB Irons

The Forged CB Cleveland irons were tailored towards a golfer of a lower handicap. They have been crafted with a softer, 1025 carbon steel metal for a better feel. The surface of the club face is rough to add extra spin too.

Launcher XL

There have actually only been two new irons this decade, but they are solid options. The Launcher XL is focused on forgiveness and control. It has a huge head with the most MOI in a Cleveland iron at the time – it is  XL in every way.

Launcher XL Halo

The Launcher XL Halo comes with a hybrid-iron design. The focus of these irons is to enable you to produce a more consistent shot. This is thanks to the large face, decreased CG, and wide sole which means you can hit cleaner shots more often.

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VAS irons were the first irons that Cleveland made. They were even in the bag of Corey Pavin, a world number two once, and he won the U.S. Open in 1995 with them.

They were actually quite innovative at the time with a hosel that was moved back, perimeter weighting, and progressive offset. It all pointed to a game improvement iron.

However, the VAS irons and the following VAS 792s weren’t the most aesthetically pleasing irons and never really took off.

Then came the Cleveland Tour Action irons with a release date in 1998. The Tour Action irons and variations of these regularly came out until 2004, and the Cleveland TA7 irons were released in the year of 2011, a little later.

Between this was the notable Cleveland CG4 irons made in the year 2005.

Back onto the Tour Action irons though, the hint is in the name – Tour. They were better-looking clubs but could be hard to hit and lacked forgiveness.

Though, from the TA-4s to the TA7s, they were dubbed as irons that were more forgiving and pretty solid game-improvement irons.

Just after 2010, the CG16 irons came out. These were aimed at mid-handicappers. The clubs focused on optimizing forgiveness, control, and distance for each shot with a large, thin face and milled face grooves.

Cleveland then flirted with players’ irons again as the 588 Forged irons came out. These irons came with a great feel, minimal offset, and a rough face for maximized spin.

In 2017, the Launcher CBX irons came out. All of Cleveland’s irons since then have been Launcher-driven and concentrated on maximizing distance and precision. The Launcher cup face and a thicker top line on the long irons helped achieve this.

Its most recent irons in 2022 saw XL versions of the Launcher club. They are very forgiving and stable thanks to, you guessed it, a bigger head. Additionally, there is the highest-ever MOI  in the 7-iron for a game-improvement iron.

It is actually one of the best irons around for newer golfers .

Cleveland has tailored its offering to higher handicappers and does not offer the golfers with a lower handicap  much of a choice now. But, that’s the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Better golfers will not be short of options across other brands.

Read more: TaylorMade Irons By Year

Tips for choosing the right cleveland iron set for your game.

Your handicap can be a good indication of which Cleveland iron. Higher handicappers will be better off using game improvement irons that are designed for distance and forgiveness. The Launcher XL and Launcher XL irons should suit you.

If you are of a lower handicap and looking to improve the finer details in your game then players irons will probably be for you.

Cleveland flirted with players irons with the 588 Forged CB irons. That was thanks to the softer metal, rough surface face, and minimal offset.

It is important to note that if you are of a higher handicap that doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed to look at irons to suit better-quality golfers or aspire to play with them. With your current ability, you would probably find it tougher to get the best out of them so you should suit game improvement irons more.

You need to consider how much you are going to spend on new irons. You could have found a set of irons that, on paper, look and read like they will enhance your game ten folds but they cost $800 and that may be out of your budget. It’s never worth breaking the bank for some new irons. Don’t force it.

There will be cheaper alternatives that you can buy that can be very similar. Additionally, if you really wanted a specific club but didn’t want to pay the premium price, it may be worth looking at where you can get used Cleveland irons instead.

If your new Cleveland irons look the part, you will probably feel the part too. What I mean by that is if you are very pleased with the look and design of your new irons, it will bring about confidence that you are going to play well in them and enjoy using them.

For example, if you are a high handicapper and have a thick topline in your club or a large club head, it may provide some comfort knowing that it is more forgiving than other clubs. This will only contribute positively to your game.

Otherwise, if you just have some irons you aren’t encouraged by with a design you aren’t very keen on, you may lack confidence in your setup and which could impact your swing and connection with the ball. Before you know it, you are heading for a poor game.

Now you know all there is to know about Cleveland irons by year. The only person that can decide if they are underrated is you though, so if you are of a higher handicap it may be worth giving some of Cleveland’s recent irons a go.

Whether the brand’s irons will return to the full market in the future, who knows? But for now, it’s been an interesting journey, that’s for sure…

Cleveland’s last iron was the Launcher XL back in March 2022. It is reported by DNA Sports that Cleveland Golf won’t produce irons, drivers, fairway woods, or hybrids for the full market anymore. Instead, it is focusing on wedges and small parts of the metalwoods and irons market.

A lot of Pros would tend to associate Cleveland with wedges rather than its irons as they are made for higher handicappers. In terms of wedges though, Hideki Matsuyama has used the RTX 4 Forged Prototype clubs before. Keegan Bradley, Shane Lowry, Sepp Straka, and Matt Kuchar have all used the RTX ZipCore Raw  wedges too.

Across the USA and Europe, Cleveland’s RTX 4 wedge came out on September 14, 2018. At the time, it would cost golfers $139.99. Since its release, it has been used by PGA Tour Pros like Shane Lowry and Graeme McDowell.

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City Street Guides by f.d. walker: A Street Photography Guide to Moscow, Russia

*A series of guides on shooting Street Photography in cities around the world. Find the best spots to shoot, things to capture, street walks, street tips, safety concerns, and more for cities around the world. I have personally researched, explored and shot Street Photography in every city that I create a guide for. So you can be ready to capture the streets as soon as you step outside with your camera!

At over 12 million people, Moscow is the largest city in Russia and second largest in Europe by population ( Istanbul is #1). An urban, cosmopolitan metropolis with more than enough glitz and glam to cater to the elite, but without losing its fair share of Soviet era roughness around the edges. It can be fast paced, brash, busy, and trendy like other big cities, but it has its blend of West meets Russia atmosphere and beauty that provides plenty of unique interest. The Red Square is as famous as it gets, but there’s so much more to this city, including the most beautiful subway system you’ve ever seen. It would take years to capture all of Moscow, but that means you have an endless amount of areas to discover.

So here’s a Street Photography guide so you can be ready to capture all that Moscow has to offer before you even arrive!

• Patriarch’s Pond
• Old Arbat Street
• Maroseyka Street
• Tverskoy Boulevard

Top 5 Street Spots:

1. red square.

The Red Square is the most famous square in not just Russia, but all of Eastern Europe. The name actually doesn’t come from the color of the bricks or communism, but from the name in Russian, Krásnaya, once meaning “beautiful” before its meaning changed to “red.” This large plaza is what you see on the cover of guide books and magazines for Moscow, with St. Basil’s Cathedral being the center piece next to Lenin’s Mausoleum surrounded by the Kremlin Wall. Of course, the Red Square attracts hordes of tourist due to the main attractions, but all that activity around an interesting atmosphere does provide street photo opportunities. It’s also the central square connecting to the city’s major streets, providing a good starting point to explore outward.

You’ll also find the popular pedestrian only Nikolskaya Street connecting the Red Square to Lubyanka Square. This line of expensive shops includes plenty of activity, while also leading you to another popular square. Filled with history rivaling any city, the Red Square and surrounding areas are the heart and soul of Russia.

2. Patriarch’s Ponds

Patriarch’s Ponds is one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Moscow. Despite the name being plural, there’s only one large pond, but it’s worth a visit with your camera. It’s a popular spot for locals and expats to come relax or take a stroll around the pond. You get an interesting mix of young and old too, from young love to “babushkas” feeding pigeons. It’s a very peaceful park atmosphere in one of the nicer areas within the city center, while bringing enough activity for street photography. 

The pond is shallow and in the winter becomes a popular spot for ice-skating too. The area is also well-known for the location in the famous Russian novel, The Master and Margarita. 

3. Old Arbat (Stary Arbat)

Old Arbat is the most famous pedestrian street in Moscow, and dating back to the 15th century, also one of its oldest. Originally, it was an area of trade, but soon became the most prestigious residential area in Moscow. During the 18th century, Arbat started attracting the city’s scholars and artists, including Alexander Pushkin. Cafes lined the streets and impressive homes filled the neighborhood. Since then, New Arbat street was created as a highway in the area, while Old Arbat was paved for a 1km pedestrian only walkway.

Due to the historic buildings, famous artists that lived here, and the bohemian atmosphere, Old Arbat has become a big attraction for tourists today. Now, there’s a mix of cafes, restaurants, souvenir shops, street performers, street merchants and other attractions for visitors, and some locals, to come enjoy. It can get really busy here and there’s usually something interesting going on so it’s a good street to come walk with your camera for guaranteed life.

4. Gorky Park

One of the most famous places in Moscow is Gorky Park. The official name is Maxim Gorky’s Central Park of Culture & Leisure, which gives you an idea of what goes on here. When built, it was the first of its kind in the Soviet Union. Divided into two parts, it stretches along Moscow River. One end contains fair rides, foods stands, tennis courts, a sports club, a lake for boat rides, and more. This end brings more active life due to its number of attractions, while the other end is more relaxed, where you’ll find gardens, trees, older buildings, and an outdoor amphitheater.

Gorky Park attracts mostly locals so it’s a good spot to capture the non-tourist side of Moscow life. Muscovites come here to escape the city and unwind in a picturesque setting. The park remains alive outside of the warmer months too, especially when the lake turns into the city’s largest outdoor skating rink. I’d recommend taking the metro out here to spend at least half a day exploring the massive park’s life with your camera.

5. Maroseyka Street

Maroseyka Street is a popular area not too far from the Red Square. The long, winding street turns into Pokrovka and is lined with restaurants, cafes, bars and places to stay. It’s actually where I like to stay when I’m in Moscow due to its location and solid street photography opportunities itself. You have Kitay-gorod station near and if you keep walking southwest, you’ll get to the Red Square. But if you walk northwest, as it changes to Pokrovka, you can find a long street of activity for photography with its own interesting atmosphere.

6. Tverskoy Boulevard

Tverskoy Boulevard is the oldest and longest boulevard in Moscow, beginning at the end of Nikitsky Boulevard, and finishing at Pushkin Square, a spot to come for activity itself. The boulevard is made up of two avenues, with pedestrian walkways in-between. You’ll find grass, shrubbery, trees, benches and more walking it’s almost kilometer length. Many people come here to enjoy some relaxation, walk their dog, or just to use it to walk wherever they’re going. Its center location also provides a nice place to walk with your camera near plenty of other spots you’ll want to check out anyway.

Sample Street Walk:

For a full day of Street Photography, covering some of the best spots, you can follow this sample street walk for Moscow:

• Start your morning walking around the Red Square (1), while exploring the surrounding area, including Nikolskaya Street
• Then walk northwest to Patriarch’s Ponds (2) and slowly walk the pond and surrounding area with your camera
• Next, walk east to the Pushkin Monument and stroll down Tverskoy Boulevard (6)
• Once Tverskoy Boulevard (6) ends, it will turn into Nikitsky Boulevard. Follow this down until you get to the start of Old Arbat Street (3), across from Arbatskaya station
• After you’re done walking down Old Arbat Street (3) for more street photography, spend some time checking out Moscow’s beautiful metro stations
• To finish off the day with more street photography, get off the metro near Red Square (1) again, Maroseyka Street (5) or wherever you’re staying for the night.

3 Things I’ll Remember about Shooting in Moscow:

1. museum metro.

The Moscow metro system was the first underground railway system in the Soviet Union and today includes 203 stations across 340km of routes. The elaborate system has some of the deepest stations in the world too, with escalators that seem to go on forever. None of this is what makes it so special, though. Many of its stations feel like stepping inside a museum, making it without a doubt the most interesting and beautiful metro system I’ve been in.

When built, Stalin wanted to make the metro stations “palaces for the people” with marble, chandeliers, and grand architecture. The best part is the variety of architecture and styles used, making many of the stations a completely different experience visually. You could easily spend a whole day traveling the stations and there are even tours available for people who wish to do just that. My advice, though, would be just to buy a ticket and hop on and off at different stations, while exploring different lines. The museum-like surrounding mixed with the crowds of characters can make for a great photography experience.

Since there are so many stations, here are some of my favorites to check out:

• Novoslobodskaya
• Mayakovskaya
• Elektrozavodskaya
• Komsomolskaya
• Ploschad Revolyutsii
• Dostoyevskaya
• Prospekt Mira

2. Moscow is Big

It’s no secret that Moscow is a big city, but it can feel even bigger with how spread out much of it is. This is especially true if you compare it to cities outside of Asia. If I compared it to cities in Europe, I’d probably say only Istanbul would warrant more time to really discover the depths of this city. Most only explore around the Red Square and surrounding area, but that is such a small part of the city. Although, that central area does give you plenty to see on its own.

Fortunately, I had a good friend living in the city to show me around, but it opened up my eyes even more to how much there is to discover in Moscow. It’s a big city with a variety of atmosphere that can take you from “east” to “west” and trendy to rugged depending on where you go. I’d imagine you’d have to live here a while to really know the city.

3. Cosmopolitan Mix of East meets West

Modern skyscrapers mixed with amazing architecture, a world-class metro system with museum-like beauty, trendy fashion and chic clubs, Moscow is a rich mix of Russian culture and history in a more western cosmopolitan package. There is a push to keep the Russian culture, while also pushing forward with a modern metropolis the whole world will envy. This comes with an impressive skyline, that continues to grow, and endless modernities, but with soviet nostalgia and atmosphere mixed in for good measure.

Mixed in with this grand western cosmopolitan atmosphere, is a strong national pride in Russia. This includes their famous leader, Vladimir Putin. Maybe no other place will you see a country’s leader more often. All over, from the pricey tourist shops to the underground walkway stalls, you’ll find goods with Putin’s likeness covering them. From t-shirts to magnets to Matryoshka dolls. There’s a strong national pride that can be seen around the city, which also extends to their leader. Moscow is many things. It’s East meets West, modernizations meets Soviet era, and a whole lot more.

What To Do For a Street Photography Break?:

Eat at a stolovaya.

Stolovayas are Russian cafeterias that became popular in the Soviet days. You grab a tray and walk down the line of freshly prepared local dishes, and select whatever you want from the chefs. They’re usually inexpensive and a much better value than restaurants, while giving you the opportunity to try from a wide selection of everyday Russian food. They’re also very tasty. I always include some borsch on my tray and go from there. The places themselves are all over Moscow and usually come with Soviet-era aesthetics to complete the experience.

Street Safety Score: 7

*As always, no place is completely safe! So when I talk about safety, I’m speaking in general comparison to other places. Always take precaution, be smart, observe your surroundings and trust your instincts anywhere you go!

Being the 2nd largest city in Europe with over 12 million people, you’re going to have your dangerous areas, but for the most part, it feels safe walking around. Russia is statistically higher in crime compared to most of Europe, but this generally doesn’t apply to tourists and visitors. Around the Red Square and surrounding city center, you should feel completely safe walking around. Pick pocketing can happen, but no more than other touristic places. I always explore Moscow freely without coming across too much to worry about. It’s a spread out city, though, so of course it matters where you are. Just use basic street smarts, know where you are and Moscow shouldn’t give you a problem. 

People’s Reaction Score: 7

Moscow is fast paced, big city life, which usually means people aren’t too concerned with you, or your camera. I don’t find people notice or pay much attention to me when I’m out taking photos in Moscow. For the most part, people just go about their day. You shouldn’t get too many looks or concern. But it can depend on the area you are in. The more you stick out, the more you might get noticed with suspicions. I’ve never had any problems in Moscow, or Russia, but just be careful who you’re taking a photo of if you get out of the city center. Other than that, it’s about average for reactions. 

Street Tips:

Learn the alphabet .

Much of Moscow, including the metro system, doesn’t use english. The Russian alphabet uses letters from the Cyrillic script, which if you aren’t familiar with it and don’t know the sounds, can be hard to decipher the words. This is most important for street names and metro stops when trying to get around. It can save confusion and make it easier getting around if you learn the basic alphabet. At the very least then, you can sound out the words to see which are similar in the english conversion, which can help matching them to maps. When out shooting street photography, getting around is as important as anything. So save yourself some time and frustration by learning the Russian Alphabet.

Use the metro

While Saint-Petersburg feels very walkable for a city its size, Moscow can feel very spread out, even for its bigger size. Outside of the Red Square area, you can have plenty of walking before getting anywhere very interesting, so you’ll need to take the metro a lot if you really want to explore the city. Maps are deceiving here too, it will always be further than it looks.

Another reason it’s less walkable than Saint-Petersburg is its completely different set-up. Moscow’s streets are mostly contstructed in rings with narrow, winding streets in-between. This is common with medieval city cities that used to be confined by walls, but you usually don’t have it in a city this massive. Saint-Petersburg has a more grid-like pattern that also uses the canals to help you know your way around. When it comes to navigating on foot in Moscow, it can be more difficult, so bring a map and take the metro when needed. It’s why Moscow’s metro carries more passengers per day than the London and Paris subways combined.

Explore other areas if you have time

Moscow is really big. While most people stay around the Red Square within the Boulevard Ring, there’s so much more to the city. I covered some other spots outside of this circle, but if you really want to see the city, you’ll need time. If you do have time, some other areas I’d check out first are Zamoskvarechye, along some of the south and western Moscow.

Inspiration:

For some more inspiration, you can look through the Street Photography of Moscow photographer Artem Zhitenev  and check out 33 of my photos taken in Moscow .

Conclusion:

Moscow’s name brings a certain mystique, but once you’re there it might bring a different atmosphere than you expect. It’s big and sprawling, but beautiful in many ways. It can feel like a European capital on a grand scale, but you can definitely find its Russian side in there.

The urban sprawl of Moscow can be intimidating, but give it enough time and you’ll be rewarded with plenty to discover. All with the world’s best metro system to take you around.

I hope this guide can help you start to experience some of what Moscow contains. So grab your camera and capture all that Moscow has to offer for Street Photography!

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Scenery Review : Moscow City XP by Drzewiecki Design

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By Stephen September 24, 2016 in Payware Airports and Scenery Reviews

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You fly for hours, anticipating your arrival, wanting to take in the area and the views of another country far away from your departure airport. The airport and the area you leave from is detailed and visually full, and you know you have a great airport scenery waiting for you at the other end of the flight, then when you arrive...

...  Nothing, but flat plain emptiness and the same boring standard X-Plane basic scenery, worse there is no OSM (Open Street Map) data in the tile either, so there is no road or autogen detailing in there as well, just well nothing.

When Drzewiecki Design released their UUEE Sheremetyevo Airport XP , I loved it because it was like a visitor from the Cold War past, the Soviet era, and it was also great scenery and great choice of a destination to fly to from any of the capitals of Europe...  but that was it, just this great airport in the middle of nothingness, bland....   zero ville.

Now Drzewiecki Design has released "Moscow City"  a scenery package to compliment their UUEE Sheremetyevo, and boy how much a difference this release has done to this totally boring area.

To get the full first impression effect I flew JARDesign's A320neo from EFHK Vatnaa, Helsinki to UUEE Sheremetyevo which is flight Finnair AY153 which is a daily 9.25am service.

First Impressions

I was surprised to start picking up scenery still quite away out from central Moscow, as I approached my 6000ft transition altitude. Here there was buildings and houses and the physical visual notes you were arriving somewhere.

Looking hard at the horizon through the A320's windows and you could see the iconic silhouette of Moscow city.

The scenery provides lite versions of all Moscow's Airports, this is UUWW Vnukovo, which was easily recognisable as you flew over. As you fly closer to the centre of the city the density of the objects below becomes quite heavy as the landscape fills in. You have all kinds of infrastructure including, blocks of flats, tower blocks, factories, housing, skyscrapers and almost everything that makes up an urban landscape, in all there is 2000 custom-made buildings that makes up this impressive scenery.

A note here in that you don't get that rolling as you move feeling effect where as it just suddenly appears in front of you and then quickly disappears behind as soon as you have flown out over the area. There is a slight effect of that as there has to be, but only in the far distance and as you can see from the images the views in every direction are widespread and visually it is very good to excellent.

The "Seven Sisters" or "Stalinist skyscrapers" built from 1947 to 1953 are all in the scenery with their "Wedding Cake" architecture or officially  Russian Baroque               - Gothic style. Most famous is the Moscow State University, front and centre of the image below.

Central Moscow is excellent and extremely realistic, and you really need a travel guide to pick out the landmarks and detail, but it is hard to miss the Red Kremlin complex  and St Peter's square from the air.  Both sides of the aircraft is visually full until you have crossed right over the city.

I am not a fan of the generated 3d OSM scenery, but this is very good in blending in perfectly with the X-Plane default scenery and giving you a smooth transition from country to urban and back again with great realism.

Over the city and turning north towards Sheremetyevo, another Moscow airport UUMU Chkalovsky is represented on the turn.

The city skyline is now easily visible on landing at Sheremetyevo, and that really helps in the arrival factor, more so in that the cities building infrastructure spread now comes up and around the airport to fill the gaps to the city itself, and making the original  Sheremetyevo scenery that was so open and lonely in the old X-Plane view is now a big part of the whole in this combination. No doubt it really brings this always good scenery now alive and very usable.

Sheremetyevo Airport

Before we move on to the city itself. It is important to note the area around UUEE Sheremetyevo itself.

Compare the large image above to the earlier image at the start of this review to see the amount of change there is around UUEE Sheremetyevo with the addition of this Moscow City package. The two sceneries are of course meant to be used together, and in reality it would look odd if you had Moscow City scenery installed without the Sheremetyevo scenery included to fill out the northern areas. A highlight is that both sceneries together form a single whole, as the areas between the airport and the central city area are well filled in and that gives you a huge area of coverage and the full visual aspect.

To get a closer lower look at the Moscow Center I commandeered Dreamfoil's lovely Bell 407.

There is a 4.000km² total area covered with this scenery here, and you have expect some sort of building replication to cover all that ground. There is of course but as well in the fact there is also enough variations as to not keep it all interesting and not obviously visually obvious.

The closer you go to the central area, the variations in the buildings change there in style and density as well. And then more of the iconic buildings start to appear as you get closer in again to the middle. The business district is excellent, with a lot of business towers and the more modern futuristic skyscraper architecture that stands out in every view point in eye scans across the city.

The more recent is in tune with the more older Stalinist era that makes up the Moscow skyline.

The Kremlin Complex and the Cathedral of Vasily the Blessed (St Basil's) is excellently represented and so is "Red Square"

There are Orthodox churches everywhere and all the big icons in the Moscow Cathedral Mosque, Cathedral of Christ the Savior, Grand Arena of the Central Lenin Stadium, Otkrytive Arena and department stores, museums and power stations and more....

I did have issues with many buildings floating, including the Kremlin. I tried both "Runways follow terrain contours" on and off with no flattening of the objects and there is no information in the manual either on how to fix the problem.

Night lighting is very good, yes there is again a repeatable pattern to the majority of the hundreds of the apartment blocks that does stand out, but the more individual buildings do all have that personal touch and some buildings look really very good.

The highlight here is the business district which looks magnificent and is very realistic from any direction at night as is the lit Stadium.

Although away from the central area the Ostankino Tower that stands 540.1 metres (1,772 ft) tall, and is the tallest freestanding structure in Europe and it looks great at night and is a very good position indicator from the air from any direction.

Included Moscow Airports

As noted also included in the scenery are seven airports and several helipads.

UUWW Vnukovo

The futuristic Vnukovo International is very good for a lite version, with great terminals and lots of small detailing. Only thing missing is the static aircraft and a bit more ramp equipment, but otherwise it is highly usable.

UUDD Domodedovo

The oldest of Moscow's International airports is Domodedovo. Again it is quite devoid of static aircraft and I am not crazy about the blue terminal glass work, but it is still a very workable scenery to use and has a lot of well made objects.

UUBW Zhukovsky

Zhukovsky was a major aircraft testing facility since the  cold war years, with most of the major Russian Experimental Design Bureau's having facilities here. It is also now used by the Ministry of Emergency Situations! and cargo carriers. It was also used as a test site for the Soviet Buran  reusable Spacecraft because it has the world's second longest pubic runway at at 5,402 m (17,723 ft). Mostly it is a collection of very large hangars but has a lot of static aircraft in storage.

UUMO Ostafyevo International Business Airport

A former military airbase. Ostafyevo features a new modern glass terminal, and caters primarily to business aviation.

UUMU Chkalovsky

Chkalovsky is a military logistics airport that is famous for it's support for the Russian Space program and transport to Star City and the Yuri A. Gagarin State Scientific Research-and-Testing Cosmonaut Training Center. Yuri Gagarin left here on his final flight before crashing by the town of Kirzhach.

UUBM Myachkovo Airport

Myachkovo is a small General Aviation Airport that is owned by the Finpromko company. Cargo aircraft up to the size of the Ilyushin ll-76 freighter can also use the airport.

UUMB Kubinka

Kubinka has been a significant Russian military airbase and large airshows are held here to show off the Russian military might.

There is also provided UUU1 Kremlin Airport, within the Kremlin walls, but I couldn't get it to work? There are two pads in H1 and H2.

Your first thoughts after reviewing this excellent Moscow scenery is not with this actual package. You then wish that you could have this extensive scenery at London, Rome, Madrid, Berlin and the list could go on with any of your favorite European Cities, and don't count a load in the Middle East and Asia. But a London scenery like this would certainly be a godsend in our X-Plane world. Drzewiecki Design has already done Warsaw and Manhattan, so there is always hope.

It is not cheap either and you need to add in their UUEE Sheremetyevo scenery package on top of that as well. But you get an awful lot of ground covered here for your money, with the area covered here that is extensive...  huge and flying into Moscow will never be the same again.

A few areas to note in one that in my case a few of the buildings floated, the download is huge load at 1.4gb and this Russian area is not the best for navigation aids and programming FMS units as most waypoints are not recognised. Most of the airports ILS coordinates also have to checked and recalibrated (Drzewiecki Design do provide all the correct coordinates) so there is a little work to do to set up repeat services but the work is worth the results.

Not only is the actual Moscow city and all it's buildings supported, you also get seven (if lite versions) of Moscow's other airports included as well, but the framerate processing of all this huge amount of objects and scale is pretty good to excellent. Framerate does hurt more on a lower (helicopter) level and certainly you need a computer with a little extra power is in no doubt required, but overall for the size of the area the scenery is extremely efficient.

Yes I was impressed by this Moscow City Scenery, as this once very barren area of X-Plane is now a very attractive repeat destination as nothing can give you a greater fulfilment than seeing your destination appear in the distance and then give you a huge visual experience as you fly over and approach your destination.

Moscow City certainly delivers that and more...  Just more sceneries like this please!

Moscow City XP by Drzewiecki Design is NOW available! from the X-Plane.Org Store here :

• Extremely detailed model of Moscow metropolitan area in Russia
• Almost 2000 custom-made buildings and other objects, all high quality, FPS-friendly and with night textures
• Whole Moscow center done in 3D as well as all other important landmarks - museums, palaces, skyscrapers, towers, bridges, railway stations, Zara stores...
• Trains, ships, 3D people, cars, airport vehicles, static aircraft - anything you can imagine
• About 4000 sq.km of photoreal 0,5-1m/pix terrain with autogen
• Sceneries of all surrounding airports including UUWW Vnukovo, UUDD Domodedovo, UUBW Zhukovski, UUMO Ostafyevo, UUBM Myachkovo and UUMB Kubinka, with all airport buildings, detailed layouts, people, airport vehicles and more
• Very detailed Kremlin model with newly constructed heliport

Requirements

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Installation and documents:

Download for the Moscow City XP is 1.47gb and the unzipped file is deposited in the "Custom Scenery" as four files:

DDZ Moscow City XP (3.99gb) - Yes GIGABYTES!

DDZ Moscow City XP Layer 2 (30.20mb)

DDZ Moscow City XP Documents (1.0 mb)

ZZZ_DDZ Moscow City XP Terrain (20.10mb)

Installation for Windows comes with an .exe installer that deposits the files in the correct order required (however I still moved the ZZZ- folder to the bottom via the INI text install list.

Installation Instructions are provided for Mac and Linux

You need to check all airports ILS coordinates are correct, instructions are provided.

Documents: Two documents include

Moscow City XP MacLinuxinstall

Moscow City XP Manual (seven pages)

Review System Specifications:

Computer System : Windows  - Intel Core i7 6700K CPU 4.00GHz / 64bit - 16 Gb single 1067 Mhz DDR4 2133 - GeForce GTX 980/SSE2 - Samsung Evo 512gb SSD 

Software :   - Windows 10 - X-Plane 10 Global ver 10.50

Addons : Saitek x52 Pro system Joystick and Throttle : Sound - Bose  Soundlink Mini

Plugins: JARDesign Ground Handling Deluxe US$14.95 : WorldTraffic US$29.95

Scenery or Aircraft

- Airbus A320neo by JARDesign ( X-Plane.OrgStore ) - US$59.95 : A320neo Sound Packs by Blue Sky Star Simulations ( X-Plane.OrgStore ) - US$19.95

- Bell 407 by Dreamfoil Creations ( X-Plane.OrgStore ) - US$34.95

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Thank you for this very thorough (as always) review. I just bought it (it's on sale) and have only one disappointment so far: Red Square has no ILS or any landing aids at all for that matter. And what a nightmare of an approach! Also I was hoping the package would include an add-on that gives my c172 a big cup holder for my Stoli. Otherwise the scenery is gorgeous. What a country!

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Moscow City Symphony-Russian Philharmonic/Dmitri Jurowski – review

G lorying in a name that seems to have been chosen by a very large committee, the Moscow City Symphony-Russian Philharmonic is a smart modern orchestra based in the city's glitzy modern concert hall . Judging by its London debut, however, it is old-school where it counts.

Its chief conductor is Dmitri Jurowski , and his appearance meant there would be a Jurowski on the Festival Hall podium four times in a week; big brother Vladimir was in the audience to cheer him on. The programme was Russian and proud. Extracts from Prokofiev's ballet Cinderella immediately introduced a distinctive sound, soft-edged but hefty, with well-blended strings underpinned by weighty low woodwind; the rasp of the bass clarinet and contrabassoon were to become gratifyingly familiar sounds.

But not so much in Prokofiev's Third Piano Concerto, in which the orchestra seemed to be consciously ceding focus to Alexander Ghindin 's piano playing. While Ghindin was all offhand, unfussy brilliance, the orchestra were neat and contained – except, that is, for the opening of the slow movement, when the flute phrasing made the melody sound positively flirty, and Ghindin responded in smooth, almost louche style. His encore, Rachmaninov's G minor Prelude, whizzed by in a flurry of sonorous chords, but the richness with which he brought out the secondary melodies in the middle section spoke of attention to detail worn lightly.

That was just a taster for the main Rachmaninov event – the colossus that is the Symphony No 2, approached by Jurowski with a certain lightness of touch and all the better for it. It was because he began the third movement so gently and at so flowing a pace that he was able to make such an impact with the sense of stillness after its climax. The second movement was crisp, the finale buoyant – and the encore, the Infernal Dance from Stravinsky's Firebird, was a flamboyant signoff from an orchestra confident of hitting its mark.

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Moscow: An Honest Review of this Amazing City

“ You’re going to Russia?!?! Why? ” I heard these words pretty much every time I announced my upcoming trip to the east.

This reaction is understandable. Most people in Europe and the United States have a Putin-provoked distaste of the Russian Federation, which is growing by the day. Politicians claim that Russia’s sole mission is to diminish and undermine western powers to strengthen its own. After all, the name Vladimir comes from two old Slavic words, which together mean “great ruler of the world.” Make of that what you will…

Even the non-political vision of Russia is unfavorable. Most think of a cold, grey, backward place with Soviet architecture or battle-hardened, weather-beaten people. However, arriving at the sleek Moscow Domodedovo airport, I was impressed. I had been right to rebut popular notions of an unwelcoming and stony place.

However, almost immediately after leaving the airport, the ground for my righteous vindication became shaky. Driving into the outskirts of Moscow, my mind drew comparisons to television images of North Korean suburbs. Miles of uniform houses and bleak tower blocks lined the roads.

At the Izmailovov Delta Hotel next to the famous market of the same name, things were not looking much better. Truly peculiar decorations and violently colored walls competed for one’s gaze in the hotel lobby. Luckily, the rooms themselves were perfectly comfortable, though not particularly noteworthy. I’d stay central next time.

After dropping bags, I ventured toward the Izmailovov market for a look at how the locals live. From a distance, the buildings that encase the market are vivid, intricate and quite something to behold. As it was late in the day, the market was empty. Shop shutters were closed and stalls were folded up. I got the same uneasy feeling I get when walking through Disney Land – as if this was what remained after the recent collapse of a utopian society.

While nearly all the vendors had packed up and gone home, a few stalls remained opened for business. All that was left was an abundance of satirical matryoshka dolls containing various countries’ political leaders in historical order.

A tattooed burly salesman came over to me as I withdrew François Mitterrand from the wooden bowels of Valéry Giscard d’Estaing.

“ Where are you from, friend? ” He asked.

Ignoring my response, he launched into a speech about his armed forces days and the political situation in Russia.

“ You really ought not to trust the government, ok? Putin is a dangerous man, you see. Someone’s always watching in this city. ”

The whiff of Glühwein that carried with each sentence made me doubt the erudition of his analysis. Then again… this is what we hear in the news. I was not sure what to believe. After thanking the man and hastily filling Charles de Gaulle with the rest of the presidents of the Fifth Republic, I made my way back to the hotel.

Emerging from the underground we rounded the corner and immediately found ourselves in Red Square. The sight demands you stop and stare.

The insurmountable walls of the Kremlin line the length of one side; halfway along lies Lenin’s tomb and opposite is the lavish exterior of the Gosudarstvennyi Universalnyi Magazin shopping center (or GUM, as it’s referred to, thank God). The architectural marvel of Saint Basil’s Cathedral stands at the south end, with the State History Museum at the other. Even though the foreboding structures radiate a rouge pastel hue into every corner of the square, there is a sense of openness. No-doubt there was a somewhat different atmosphere when thousands of Soviet soldiers goose-stepped through the square. Interestingly, the Russian army still marches like this today.

Walking around central Moscow, history oozes from every spire and pillar. Buildings seem to lean over as you walk past, as if peering down on whoever dares to enter these austere places. For every moment or event in Russian history, there is a dedicated museum.

The quality of each museum is notably high. In particular, the Armory inside the Kremlin holds astonishing collections of royal carriages from across the world and throughout the ages. The world-renowned Fabergé Eggs are displayed here too.

Having wandered around for so long during the day, we had no time to eat before attending the Ballet that evening. Sitting in the Bolshoi, the long day began to catch up with me.

It is now that I must make a confession: while attending a performance by one of the world’s greatest ballet companies, I fell asleep.

Thankfully, I woke up later in the second half and was treated to the final leaps and prances of Shostakovich’s The Bright Stream. As someone who is not a ballet aficionado, that was probably enough.

Feeling significantly perkier afterward, a late dinner was in order. Just behind the Bolshoi is VOGUE Café , a gastronomic outpost of the famous magazine. It claimed to serve an eclectic mix of Japanese, Italian and Russian dishes. Intrigued, we entered.

Adventurously, we accepted the offer of some Russian wine. Full bodied and berried, it was delicious. Our evident surprise led the waitress to explain that Russian food and drink has improved hugely over the last few years. As it turns out, since the United States and the European Union placed sanctions on Russia after their annexation of Crimea, food imports have been scarce. As a result, Russian producers have been forced to meet the demand and quality expected today. As a result, Siberian wines and cheeses now win awards around the globe.

When we left the restaurant, it was late. Only a day had passed, yet we had filled every minute with history, culture and food. The next three days followed a similar format and we continued to make our way down the list of museums and sights. A boat ride along the river is a must-do for alternative views of the Kremlin and Saint Basil’s Cathedral. Afterwards, sit on the rooftop Strelka bar opposite the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and watch the 3-mile-long line of pilgrims move slowly forward.

On the third day, we were due to board an overnight train to Saint Petersburg, but there was still so much left to do. Truth be told, it was probably too much for another three days, let alone one.

Nonetheless, I was satisfied. Moscow had revealed itself to be a fascinating and impressive city. While the city infrastructure isn’t as up-to-date as most capitals, the needs of every modern traveler can be met. It certainly isn’t the cold and unfriendly place envisioned by most in the west. Moscow’s winning attribute is its omnipresent sense of untouched history. This is a feature that is so often lost amongst hordes of tourists in Europe’s capitals.

It goes to show: what we hear about places we haven’t been in the news or through general hearsay, we can formulate pretty strong prejudices in our mind. While the political realities may still be ugly, by visiting, you can learn to separate and appreciate the everyday, the culture and the history of a place. On one side of a great red wall in central Moscow, a tyrannical leader works. On the other side, wholly separated, lies a magnificent Red Square where an overwhelming sense of history reveals the essence of Moscow and of Russia. And it is truly remarkable.

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